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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:17 AM ET
My goodness I would love Barzal...Islanders owned that trade
- YuenglingJagr


Agreed, Reinhart seemed like he was going nowhere fast, and it still seems that way.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:18 AM ET
then good don't speak for him. Bill has in the past mentioned late round guys who have some intrigue.
- rinaldo


And if he does, I'm sure that he'll touch on that in later blogs leading up to the draft.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
I keep getting this feeling that Schenn could be moved at the draft to either move up or in a bigger package.

Not sure why but just don't see him as a long term fit. Maybe they sell high like Florida did with Gudbranson.

- J35Bacher



Anything can happen, but I'd be surprised if Schenn was moved. I think the only thing that would make that happen, is if he was unreasonable with his salary demands.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:20 AM ET
Anything can happen, but I'd be surprised if Schenn was moved. I think the only thing that would make that happen, is if he was unreasonable with his salary demands.
- MJL


Let's just hope that this guy isn't his agent:

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 3 @ 11:22 AM ET
I don't think Sanheim is untouchable. I think he was, until they drafted Provorov, who is kinda like a Super Sanheim (maybe even with a cape). I'm not saying they should ship him off, but it seems like the collection of Ghost, Morin, Provorov, and Myers are a good enough complimentary crop that you could potentially move him for a top forward prospect (Petan/Barzal type). Just my opinion
- jmatchett383



I think that makes some sense. Often a team will trade from a surplus to shore up an area of weakness. My biggest concern with Sanheim, and I'll first have to stipulate that my knowledge of Sanheim as a player, is very limited, but I'm concerned that he's going to be a similar player to Gostisbehere. I think you can only have one player like that on the roster.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 3 @ 11:22 AM ET
I don't think Sanheim is untouchable. I think he was, until they drafted Provorov, who is kinda like a Super Sanheim (maybe even with a cape). I'm not saying they should ship him off, but it seems like the collection of Ghost, Morin, Provorov, and Myers are a good enough complimentary crop that you could potentially move him for a top forward prospect (Petan/Barzal type). Just my opinion
- jmatchett383



I agree with that.

I could see something. Top d prospect for top forward prospect to help each team.

You think something like Schenn, Sanheim and the 1st can get you into the top 3 to maybe get Laine or Puljujärvi?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 3 @ 11:23 AM ET
I think you post this every day. Schenn is not getting traded
- YuenglingJagr


I also would not be surprised to see Schenn dealt.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 3 @ 11:24 AM ET
Let's just hope that this guy isn't his agent:


- jmatchett383


If he is...we can just accept when he first says "One Million Dollars"

Agent Evil, "One MILLION Dolla-"
Hextall, "DEAL, SIGNED"
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:24 AM ET
I think that makes some sense. Often a team will trade from a surplus to shore up an area of weakness. My biggest concern with Sanheim, and I'll first have to stipulate that my knowledge of Sanheim as a player, is very limited, but I'm concerned that he's going to be a similar player to Gostisbehere. I think you can only have one player like that on the roster.
- MJL


I think that his offensive upside projects in the Ghost/Provorov range and his defensive side, from what I've read, is below the Morin/Provorov range. With the addition of Provorov, they have enough projected depth on both sides of the puck to make him available, at the right price.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
I agree with that.

I could see something. Top d prospect for top forward prospect to help each team.

You think something like Schenn, Sanheim and the 1st can get you into the top 3 to maybe get Laine or Puljujärvi?

- J35Bacher


I don't, but I would do it.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
Anything can happen, but I'd be surprised if Schenn was moved. I think the only thing that would make that happen, is if he was unreasonable with his salary demands.
- MJL



For some reason I just don't get this feeling that they are super high on him. I know he has gradually got better each season.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
If he is...we can just accept when he first says "One Million Dollars"

Agent Evil, "One MILLION Dolla-"
Hextall, "DEAL, SIGNED"

- YuenglingJagr


That would be awesome.

Speaking of Hextall jumping on a deal, I really wish that, last year, after NJ took Zacha at the draft, you saw Hexy jump up from the Flyers table, sprint up to the podium, push aside the NJ contingent, and just scream, "PROVOROV, WE'RE TAKING PROVOROV!" into the microphone.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
I think that his offensive upside projects in the Ghost/Provorov range and his defensive side, from what I've read, is below the Morin/Provorov range. With the addition of Provorov, they have enough projected depth on both sides of the puck to make him available, at the right price.
- jmatchett383



And they have guys like Hagg and Wilcox, while not as offensive dynamic they might be better suited for the Flyers moving forward as more off a defensive d(Wilcox) and a two way guy in Hagg. Guys who make a better pair with Gostisbehere and Provorov moving forward.
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Jun 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
I keep getting this feeling that Schenn could be moved at the draft to either move up or in a bigger package.

Not sure why but just don't see him as a long term fit. Maybe they sell high like Florida did with Gudbranson.

- J35Bacher


I think I detect a shot there
Well, for once ppl here loved a trade Trader Jim made. A lot of tv analysts did too. We needed a dman badly and they are not cheap to acquire. If JB had gotten some pick during the last TDL everyone would be on board. But he didn't. So losing the 33rd hurt.

All Guddy's critics are analytic ppl. His numbers with Mitchell were bad. But, when paired with a puck moving skating dman (Campbell) they were actually pretty good. He will likely pair up with Hutton here. Who brings those qualities. His intangibles are off the charts too. Heart, Leadership etc. Can't put a number on that.

Again, D aren't easy to find, nor are they cheap to acquire. At least we got a young established 24 yr old and didn't settle for a younger unestablished (could be bust) dman.... insert Griffin Reinhart.

Wow, that was 15th and 33rd overall if I recall. Barzal.... ouch.

Also with the addition of Tkachuk or Dubois and Boeser after next year, Canucks could afford to move McCann. Who I still like btw. Getting a bad wrap hear for a me me me attitude. But I like his confidence and the way he played. Like a young Kesler almost.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
For some reason I just don't get this feeling that they are super high on him. I know he has gradually got better each season.
- J35Bacher


Well if that trend continues, he'll be flirting with 200 points by 2051-52.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 3 @ 11:30 AM ET
I don't, but I would do it.
- jmatchett383



Yeah.

Guess it would be hard for WP not to take Laine. Maybe Columbus would do it at 3. They need a center which Schenn could play, and I think he prefers. They also get a young defender and then the pick at 18. I would even think of adding another pick. maybe a 3rd rounder.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:31 AM ET
I think I detect a shot there
Well, for once ppl here loved a trade Trader Jim made. A lot of tv analysts did too. We needed a dman badly and they are not cheap to acquire. If JB had gotten some pick during the last TDL everyone would be on board. But he didn't. So losing the 33rd hurt.

All Guddy's critics are analytic ppl. His numbers with Mitchell were bad. But, when paired with a puck moving skating dman (Campbell) they were actually pretty good. He will likely pair up with Hutton here. Who brings those qualities. His intangibles are off the charts too. Heart, Leadership etc. Can't put a number on that.

Again, D aren't easy to find, nor are they cheap to acquire. At least we got a young established 24 yr old and didn't settle for a younger unestablished (could be bust) dman.... insert Griffin Reinhart.

Wow, that was 15th and 33rd overall if I recall. Barzal.... ouch.

Also with the addition of Tkachuk or Dubois and Boeser after next year, Canucks could afford to move McCann. Who I still like btw. Getting a bad wrap hear for a me me me attitude. But I like his confidence and the way he played. Like a young Kesler almost.

- storm88


I don't think Gudbranson is necessarily bad, I just don't think Vancouver got full value for McCann.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 3 @ 11:32 AM ET
For some reason I just don't get this feeling that they are super high on him. I know he has gradually got better each season.
- J35Bacher


I honestly don't know what would give you that feeling.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:33 AM ET
Yeah.

Guess it would be hard for WP not to take Laine. Maybe Columbus would do it at 3. They need a center which Schenn could play, and I think he prefers. They also get a young defender and then the pick at 18. I would even think of adding another pick. maybe a 3rd rounder.

- J35Bacher


Columbus wouldn't, unless they could unload one of their NMCs...they'll have a hard time with expansion if they need to protect them all, adding Schenn won't help them.

I think that Schenn, Sanheim, #18, 2017 1st, and maybe a guy like Straka/Leier. Basically, some big overpayment.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 3 @ 11:34 AM ET
I honestly don't know what would give you that feeling.
- MJL


Probably when Hexy said, "We're not really that high on Braydon, at this point."
GudasNew
Florida Panthers
Location: DE
Joined: 03.03.2015

Jun 3 @ 11:34 AM ET
I honestly don't know what would give you that feeling.
- MJL


The gall of that man. Posting his opinion like that. Disgusts me.
Tomahawk
Location: No More Tortellini
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 3 @ 11:34 AM ET
All Guddy's critics are analytic ppl.
- storm88


Don't worry, you've got Pierre McGuire on your side...
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 3 @ 11:35 AM ET
I think I detect a shot there
Well, for once ppl here loved a trade Trader Jim made. A lot of tv analysts did too. We needed a dman badly and they are not cheap to acquire. If JB had gotten some pick during the last TDL everyone would be on board. But he didn't. So losing the 33rd hurt.

All Guddy's critics are analytic ppl. His numbers with Mitchell were bad. But, when paired with a puck moving skating dman (Campbell) they were actually pretty good. He will likely pair up with Hutton here. Who brings those qualities. His intangibles are off the charts too. Heart, Leadership etc. Can't put a number on that.

Again, D aren't easy to find, nor are they cheap to acquire. At least we got a young established 24 yr old and didn't settle for a younger unestablished (could be bust) dman.... insert Griffin Reinhart.

Wow, that was 15th and 33rd overall if I recall. Barzal.... ouch.

Also with the addition of Tkachuk or Dubois and Boeser after next year, Canucks could afford to move McCann. Who I still like btw. Getting a bad wrap hear for a me me me attitude. But I like his confidence and the way he played. Like a young Kesler almost.

- storm88


I thought the trade worked for both sides. Vancouver got a young defender it needed. Florida got some picks and a young forward. I like Gudbranson more then some so I was ok with it.



YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 3 @ 11:35 AM ET
Probably when Hexy said, "We're not really that high on Braydon, at this point."
- jmatchett383


ISWYDT
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 3 @ 11:35 AM ET
I think I detect a shot there
Well, for once ppl here loved a trade Trader Jim made. A lot of tv analysts did too. We needed a dman badly and they are not cheap to acquire. If JB had gotten some pick during the last TDL everyone would be on board. But he didn't. So losing the 33rd hurt.

All Guddy's critics are analytic ppl. His numbers with Mitchell were bad. But, when paired with a puck moving skating dman (Campbell) they were actually pretty good. He will likely pair up with Hutton here. Who brings those qualities. His intangibles are off the charts too. Heart, Leadership etc. Can't put a number on that.

Again, D aren't easy to find, nor are they cheap to acquire. At least we got a young established 24 yr old and didn't settle for a younger unestablished (could be bust) dman.... insert Griffin Reinhart.

Wow, that was 15th and 33rd overall if I recall. Barzal.... ouch.

Also with the addition of Tkachuk or Dubois and Boeser after next year, Canucks could afford to move McCann. Who I still like btw. Getting a bad wrap hear for a me me me attitude. But I like his confidence and the way he played. Like a young Kesler almost.

- storm88


Jimmy got waxed on that trade
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