Maybe, maybe not. Strome could end up as a guy like Braden Schenn. Good player, but not exactly a banner player. A really nice complimentary piece.

Or he could break-out and have it bite us in the ass.

Snow could also offer something like Ho-Sang and the 19th overall for JVR alone
- eichiefs9

Was just looking Isles have 17.1 million in cap space

One is covered in hair and eats their food out of a bowl on the floor.

The other is a boxer.
- eichiefs9

Was just looking Isles have 17.1 million in cap space
- Vukota

Where are you getting that number from?

edit: nevermind, i see

One is covered in hair and eats their food out of a bowl on the floor.

The other is a boxer.
- eichiefs9

One is covered in hair and eats their food out of a bowl on the floor.

The other is a boxer.
- eichiefs9

Sounds hot.

JVR isn't an upgrade over KO. It's a lateral move if that's all we do, and we deplete our assets for him. Rather just resign KO

Was just looking Isles have 17.1 million in cap space
- Vukota

So if you figure $17.2M in cap space before signing anyone...and Snow can ship out Halak, that brings it to $21.45M. I don't understand all the inner-workings of LTIR...but for the sake of simplicity we will say that if Grabo gets LTIR'd that's another $5M, which brings the total space up to $26.45M. Dump Bailey that brings us to $29.75M.

If you add Cizikas ($2.5M per), Strome ($1.25M per), Prince ($950k) that's $4.7M added. Brings cap space down to about $25.25M. Mayfield figures to be the 7th defenseman next year and needs a contract. Figure he gets a small raise from $925K to $950k. That takes it down to $24.3M. Berube should get a small bump to about $850K. Cap space now at $23.45M.

This assumes Martin, Nielsen, Okposo all walk.

Halmo takes 4th LW spot, he's a Group VI UFA and needs a contract. His NHL cap hit is $875k right now, figure it would stay the same.

Snow signs Stamkos at an AAV of $11M.

Snow signs Eriksson at an AAV of $6M

That still leaves us with well over $5M in cap space, while simultaneously filling every hole created by the departure of the 3 UFA's.

Not saying this is what I want or that it will happen, just goes to show you what can be done with some creative accounting work.

edit: this is one ugly looking post. sorry

Sounds hot.
- Wildschwein

If we are talking about the gf, picture a hot bag of mashed up mango pulp & marbles with a Rosie Odonell haircut. One fully functioning arm. Two clubbed feet. Two lazy eyes. Even though one of them is glass. Uncontrollable scabies. Ingrown toenails that make her feet look like 10 vienna sausages.


Oh and a stuttering, lisp.

JVR isn't an upgrade over KO. It's a lateral move if that's all we do, and we deplete our assets for him. Rather just resign KO
- Danformo

He makes less than Okposo is about to and has produced reasonably similar numbers despite playing with a rotation of hot garbage as his center. Okposo put up similar numbers except he did it playing with Tavares most of the time and he rarely played very well without JT. I'll take my chances on a younger, cheaper JVR.

Great assessment Dan, I agree on all fronts.

Put it this way, if isles are without Matt Martin next year it wont make us worse. I too rather keeps those extra money and use to sign something better.

Also on topic Kyle getting snuffed. Stop looking at it as an isles fan. All those guys on team USA are better than Kyle. That's why, Kyle should be careful what he looks for looking for pay day rather than winning a cup. I love Kyle but I would put all those guy ahead of him as well if I was putting together a team to at least try to compete with Canada.

So if you figure $17.2M in cap space before signing anyone...and Snow can ship out Halak, that brings it to $21.45M. I don't understand all the inner-workings of LTIR...but for the sake of simplicity we will say that if Grabo gets LTIR'd that's another $5M, which brings the total space up to $26.45M. Dump Bailey that brings us to $29.75M.

If you add Cizikas ($2.5M per), Strome ($1.25M per), Prince ($950k) that's $4.7M added. Brings cap space down to about $25.25M. Mayfield figures to be the 7th defenseman next year and needs a contract. Figure he gets a small raise from $925K to $950k. That takes it down to $24.3M. Berube should get a small bump to about $850K. Cap space now at $23.45M.

This assumes Martin, Nielsen, Okposo all walk.

Halmo takes 4th LW spot, he's a Group VI UFA and needs a contract. His NHL cap hit is $875k right now, figure it would stay the same.

Snow signs Stamkos at an AAV of $11M.

Snow signs Eriksson at an AAV of $6M

That still leaves us with well over $5M in cap space, while simultaneously filling every hole created by the departure of the 3 UFA's.

Not saying this is what I want or that it will happen, just goes to show you what can be done with some creative accounting work.
- eichiefs9

While I agree there is a way, i just don't think its going to be that easy to just dump almost 9 million in salary. Plus change Ericksson to Lucic

JVR isn't an upgrade over KO. It's a lateral move if that's all we do, and we deplete our assets for him. Rather just resign KO
- Danformo

JVR is an upgrade over KO. Stronger skater, better scorer and higher ceiling. Problem with him is injuries.
He was pass for 30G and 30A on season and he doesn't play with John Tavares. Could be a 40 goal guy with JT centering him.

Since Snow is showing little interest in negotiating new contracts with Okposo or Martin, I hope he will at least pick up draft picks by trading the rights to negotiate with them.
- JohnScammo

I agree on Okposo... but Martin I think the Isles want back but are allowing him to find out what other teams are offering. trading his rights is not a good idea if your intention is to try and sign him.

They said to him in his exit interview.. "You're coming back right?" .. without offering him a contract. I am assuming the rest but believe that is their intention. If someone is going to offer him 4 mill a year they will wish him the best.. but if it's close to Garth's comfort number they will match.

JVR is an upgrade over KO. Stronger skater, better scorer and higher ceiling. Problem with him is injuries.
- Spartiarti

I don't want any part of JVR..

While I agree there is a way, i just don't think its going to be that easy to just dump almost 9 million in salary. Plus change Ericksson to Lucic
- Vukota

Well I hope Lucic gets to UFA, but I have my doubts. I'd prefer him over any winger that's a free agent.

It most certainly will not be easy to shed that much salary. But even if we didn't move Bailey, you can see that there would still be cap space under that scenario.

I'm really trying to understand how LTIR actually works..because it's not as simple as just putting a guy on it and having his full cap hit magically go *poof*.

In no world should Okposo make team USA over Phil Kessel that's the glaring snub.

Ask the Bruins about Chris Kelly And Gregory Campbell's deals when they had the best fourth line in hockey. One of the main reasons Boychuk is an islander.

Hits are important but id rather have the puck

Well I hope Lucic gets to UFA, but I have my doubts. I'd prefer him over any winger that's a free agent.

It most certainly will not be easy to shed that much salary. But even if we didn't move Bailey, you can see that there would still be cap space under that scenario.

I'm really trying to understand how LTIR actually works..because it's not as simple as just putting a guy on it and having his full cap hit magically go *poof*.
- eichiefs9

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq
- Vukota

Yeah I'm already reading it. It's still confusing.

Maybe, maybe not. Strome could end up as a guy like Braden Schenn. Good player, but not exactly a banner player. A really nice complimentary piece.

Or he could break-out and have it bite us in the ass.

Snow could also offer something like Ho-Sang and the 19th overall for JVR alone
- eichiefs9

Brayden Schenn is a very good player IMO. He is only 24 and continues to get better every year. This year was by far his best yet with 26 goals and 59 points.

I agree on Okposo... but Martin I think the Isles want back but are allowing him to find out what other teams are offering. trading his rights is not a good idea if your intention is to try and sign him.

They said to him in his exit interview.. "You're coming back right?" .. without offering him a contract. I am assuming the rest but believe that is their intention. If someone is going to offer him 4 mill a year they will wish him the best.. but if it's close to Garth's comfort number they will match.
- niteislander

The premise of my post was that Snow was showing no interest in negotiating with Martin or Okposo. Plus, if the Isles are interested in re-signing Martin, but only after the beginning of free agency, they are not hurt by trading away his negotiating rights......those expire when free agency begins.

If we are talking about the gf, picture a hot bag of mashed up mango pulp & marbles with a Rosie Odonell haircut. One fully functioning arm. Two clubbed feet. Two lazy eyes. Even though one of them is glass. Uncontrollable scabies. Ingrown toenails that make her feet look like 10 vienna sausages.


Oh and a stuttering, lisp.
- mdw7413

Seen worse.

I like KO but anyone who thinks he is a better hockey player than Wheeler or JVR needs to watch more hockey night in Canada

Seen worse.
- Wildschwein

Calgary Stampede?

Yeah I'm already reading it. It's still confusing.
- eichiefs9

It's as bad as the Internal Revenue Code. OK, nothing's that bad, but this LTIR stuff is needlessly complicated, too.

Brayden Schenn is a very good player IMO. He is only 24 and continues to get better every year. This year was by far his best yet with 26 goals and 59 points.
- niteislander

Yeah no doubt he is a really good player, I wasn't trying to slight him. But he's not a star player that you build your team around. I think Schenn is a fair prediction for what Strome may ultimately become. He has the skill to exceed that, but there's also a chance he falls short of Brayden too. There is some risk involved in moving him for sure..but we can't wait around for him to take his sweet time developing either.