The premise of my post was that Snow was showing no interest in negotiating with Martin or Okposo. Plus, if the Isles are interested in re-signing Martin, but only after the beginning of free agency, they are not hurt by trading away his negotiating rights......those expire when free agency begins.
- JohnScammo

I understood your Premise perfectly... you however did not understand mine.

Trading Martin's rights to a team interested in him is telling him you are indeed not going to offer him any contract.

It's as bad as the Internal Revenue Code. OK, nothing's that bad, but this LTIR stuff is needlessly complicated, too.
- JohnScammo

The basic gist of it seems to be that LTIR'ing a player is pretty useless unless you are a team right up against the cap.

Calgary Stampede?
- mdw7413

Probably a few there that would qualify. They put out as well from what I've heard (and seen on the news).
Never go to Calgary myself. To far south.

I understood your Premise perfectly... you however did not understand mine.

Trading Martin's rights to a team interested in him is telling him you are indeed not going to offer him any contract.
- niteislander

Well there's been no contact between Martin's camp and the Islanders...if they were interested in signing him at near-ish to what he is asking for they would at least be communicating with each other.

Probably a few there that would qualify. They put out as well from what I've heard (and seen on the news).
Never go to Calgary myself. To far south.
- Wildschwein

You anywhere near Peace River?

Probably a few there that would qualify. They put out as well from what I've heard (and seen on the news).
Never go to Calgary myself. To far south.
- Wildschwein

I just heard some stories. A bunch from Fatmarsh.

I understood your Premise perfectly... you however did not understand mine.

Trading Martin's rights to a team interested in him is telling him you are indeed not going to offer him any contract.
- niteislander

Well, since you understood my premise..... Snow has no interest in Martin, based on having conducted no negotiations with his agent. Thus, why not pick up a draft pick for his negotiating rights?

Yeah no doubt he is a really good player, I wasn't trying to slight him. But he's not a star player that you build your team around. I think Schenn is a fair prediction for what Strome may ultimately become. He has the skill to exceed that, but there's also a chance he falls short of Brayden too. There is some risk involved in moving him for sure..but we can't wait around for him to take his sweet time developing either.
- eichiefs9

If Strome, Lee and Nelson all become 25+ goal scorers and 60+ point guys I would be pretty happy with that production. I am not sure what most were expecting Strome to be but I never had 40 goal scorer aspirations for him. 30? Maybe.. but I never had him at top echelon of NHL status.

You anywhere near Peace River?
- eichiefs9

Work there.

I just heard some stories. A bunch from Fatmarsh.
- mdw7413

All true. Especially the dirty ones. Canucks turn into nasty freaks once the snow melts.

If Strome, Lee and Nelson all become 25+ goal scorers and 60+ point guys I would be pretty happy with that production. I am not sure what most were expecting Strome to be but I never had 40 goal scorer aspirations for him. 30? Maybe.. but I never had him at top echelon of NHL status.
- niteislander

No I don't think anyone figured Strome to be that type of player. I don't think anyone was counting on him remaining a center either. I think the hope was that he could be a table-setter for Tavares, since he was billed as having excellent puck distribution skills.

If all three of those guys become the type of point producers you mentioned, I'd be shocked. Nelson has the best chance to become the most well-rounded player of the 3. I see Lee as more of a Cy Young kinda guy. I can see him end up as like a 30g, 15-20a kind of player.

Work there.
- Wildschwein

That's on the waterfowling bucket list for this guy.

I'll assume if I ever make it there, that I can crash with you.

That's on the waterfowling bucket list for this guy.

I'll assume if I ever make it there, that I can crash with you.
- eichiefs9

But of course. I don't waterfowl myself but your welcome to chase Bear/Deer with me if you are so inclined.

It's pretty obvious that total team hits really has zero correlation to success.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...e=2&sort=hits&aggregate=0

50% of teams in the top-10 in hits missed the playoffs. The Flyers barely squeaked in and were embarrassed by the Caps. The team that finished dead last in total hits has won 3 Cups in the last 6 seasons.
- eichiefs9

Hitting people means you don't have the puck so that makes sense

No I don't think anyone figured Strome to be that type of player. I don't think anyone was counting on him remaining a center either. I think the hope was that he could be a table-setter for Tavares, since he was billed as having excellent puck distribution skills.

If all three of those guys become the type of point producers you mentioned, I'd be shocked. Nelson has the best chance to become the most well-rounded player of the 3. I see Lee as more of a Cy Young kinda guy. I can see him end up as like a 30g, 15-20a kind of player.
- eichiefs9

Nothing wrong with that, especially when you have players who continually dish when they should shoot. Noticed a fair bit of that during the Tampa series. Wonder what could have been had Lee been healthy.

RFA's have less negotiating power. If the Islanders were smart, and they've done this in the past, they will lock Cizikas up for like 5 years at a good cap hit, so his contract provides big value on the back-end of the deal. It's what they did with Hamonic and Tavares.
- eichiefs9

I think my point was if a player produced it almost doesn't matter if RFA or UFA but do understand the leverage but also player can hold out too.....

are you are actually arguing with me that being an RFA or UFA mean zero when it comes to contract negotiations?
- niteislander

In a way YES, see my last post, again if a player produces, player will have slight leverage or hold out if necessary ......

On Martin


Arthur Staple
@StapeNewsday
3h
@ELevine91 Isles have their slot for him, his agents feel he can get more on open market. Could change, but this is his chance to cash in.
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I think my point was if a player produced it almost doesn't matter if RFA or UFA but do understand the leverage but also player can hold out too.....
- Ur Not Me

Yeah, it's undoubtedly a two-way street. No argument there. But generally, RFA's have a bit less leverage. Sometimes it's good, like in the case of Subban. He manned up, took a bridge deal and absolutely killed it and now he's making a boatload of money. MTL is wishing like hell that they just signed him to whatever deal he was asking for originally.

On Martin


Arthur Staple
@StapeNewsday
3h
@ELevine91 Isles have their slot for him, his agents feel he can get more on open market. Could change, but this is his chance to cash in.
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- Vukota

Makes sense. If he thinks he can get paid then best wishes

No I don't think anyone figured Strome to be that type of player. I don't think anyone was counting on him remaining a center either. I think the hope was that he could be a table-setter for Tavares, since he was billed as having excellent puck distribution skills.

If all three of those guys become the type of point producers you mentioned, I'd be shocked. Nelson has the best chance to become the most well-rounded player of the 3. I see Lee as more of a Cy Young kinda guy. I can see him end up as like a 30g, 15-20a kind of player.
- eichiefs9

Huh? He's going to pitch for the Islanders?

Yeah, it's undoubtedly a two-way street. No argument there. But generally, RFA's have a bit less leverage. Sometimes it's good, like in the case of Subban. He manned up, took a bridge deal and absolutely killed it and now he's making a boatload of money. MTL is wishing like hell that they just signed him to whatever deal he was asking for originally.
- eichiefs9

I heard 6yrs for $6.5m ..... but $9m looks good for them

Huh? He's going to pitch for the Islanders?
- JohnScammo

Never heard that term before? It's basically used to describe the guys in the league that score more goals than they have assists.

Brandon Pirri is the most recent one I can think of, season before this one. 22g, 2a.

Makes sense. If he thinks he can get paid then best wishes
- Dan Petriw

In a way I hope he leaves so that others can see Martin is only 1 dimensional player that another team would shoot themselves 2-3yrs later on contract


Cant wait for KO to Minn w/Bouedreau

In a way I hope he leaves so that others can see Martin is only 1 dimensional player that another team would shoot themselves 2-3yrs later on contract


Cant wait for KO to Minn w/Bouedreau
- Ur Not Me

I don't think MIN can afford him. They already have so much money tied up in a few atrocious contracts.