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PanthersGoal
Florida Panthers
Location: Coral Springs, FL
Joined: 08.21.2007

May 26 @ 12:54 PM ET
Miami Herald Panther beat writer George Richards issued a tweet stating that Nick Bjugstad was not getting traded according to the team....LOL, nervousness is permiating the air!
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 26 @ 12:55 PM ET
I actually am. He's honest about what hes doing and what he said when he was hired. He wanted to get younger and still compete, whether thats the best way to build a championship team or not, at least he's doing what he said.

I posted this in the Canucks thread earlier which is a summary of his deals:


So while he hasnt acquired superstars, he is trying to find them in the draft. Our homegrown talents now include Horvat, Hutton, Tryamkin, Virtanen, and soon Boeser, Demko, this year's first pick. Thats where he will get our future top players, but he's now filled out the roster with young NHL bodies. His contracts skills are less than desirable but I wont panic until we actually are tight with cap space and are competing

- WhiteLie


That's good then. He did get a lot younger. The Sutter contract was really the only one I saw, but I definitely questioned it
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

May 26 @ 12:56 PM ET
So he's acquired:
Sutter, Granlund, Gudbranson, Larsen, Etem, Prust, Sbisa, 1st, 3rd, 5th round picks for

given up:
Kesler, Bonino, McCann, Shinkaruk, Clendening, Jensen, kassian (I understand), 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, and 6th

That seems terrible! draft pick mismanagement

- DeflatedPucks


Kesler brought in both Bonino and McCann in that deal, so essentially with a few picks thrown in, the Canucks traded Kesler for Sutter, Sbisa, Gudbranson, Dorsett. Not terrible in my books

Baertchi and Vey were for the 2nd round picks I believe, Sven has worked out ok and Vey hasnt so far.

The odds of seeing those 4ths and 5th in the NHL are a long ways away, the team wants to remain competitive but had no young talent to supplement the Sedin's. If they wanted to tank, it would have been very easy but the decided against it. I dont love it, but dont hate it. I dont cry over 4th round or later, first three rounds though I scrutinize a bit more, which has been average so far
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 26 @ 1:10 PM ET
Kesler brought in both Bonino and McCann in that deal, so essentially with a few picks thrown in, the Canucks traded Kesler for Sutter, Sbisa, Gudbranson, Dorsett. Not terrible in my books

Baertchi and Vey were for the 2nd round picks I believe, Sven has worked out ok and Vey hasnt so far.

The odds of seeing those 4ths and 5th in the NHL are a long ways away, the team wants to remain competitive but had no young talent to supplement the Sedin's. If they wanted to tank, it would have been very easy but the decided against it. I dont love it, but dont hate it. I dont cry over 4th round or later, first three rounds though I scrutinize a bit more, which has been average so far

- WhiteLie


Also, how often do superstars really get traded? Seguin was really the last one, and he wasn't even considered a superstar yet, right? Although.... Dallas raped Boston in that trade lol
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 26 @ 1:12 PM ET
I don't see how everyone thinks Florida won this deal by a landslide. I am a big McCann fan but the boy needs to bulk up or he will be a career AHL'er. Maybe look at it from Vancouvers side. We need a right handed dman thats not scared to throw a hit more than once a game. It has been way too easy to play against the Canucks over the last 10 years and EG could change that. McCann was not going to get any playing time with Sedin, Horvat and Sutter ahead of him on the depth chart. And we also get the 5th overall. Who will replace the loss of McCann. So you can all say to yourself you won the deal but for us in Vancouver, Gudbranson is a type of player we have been wanting for some time now.
- Itsjustarash

McCann came straight out of the ohl and is 19, isn't saying he needs to bulk up kind of silly given that's the same thing said about almost every rookie?
harveykline
Joined: 09.01.2009

May 26 @ 1:13 PM ET
Don't count on it. Tom Rowe looking to make a splash as new man in charge. If they sign trocheck to a long term deal as reported, Bjustad might be in play. He can't be moved to wing because he is too injury prone for wing. Trocheck needs 2nd center minutes and pp minutes.
Itsjustarash
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 08.29.2013

May 26 @ 1:16 PM ET
McCann came straight out of the ohl and is 19, isn't saying he needs to bulk up kind of silly given that's the same thing said about almost every rookie?
- Isles_since_6


Well after watching him get rag dolled many times by the likes of Getzlaf, Doughty and Burns. Yeah he needs to bulk up if he wants to go toe to toe with those boys.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 26 @ 1:26 PM ET
Don't count on it. Tom Rowe looking to make a splash as new man in charge. If they sign trocheck to a long term deal as reported, Bjustad might be in play. He can't be moved to wing because he is too injury prone for wing. Trocheck needs 2nd center minutes and pp minutes.
- harveykline


DAFUQ?
Itsjustarash
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 08.29.2013

May 26 @ 1:28 PM ET
DAFUQ?
- j.boyd919


i was wondering why my minor hockey coach moved me to wing. Now I know that he just didn't want me to get hurt.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 26 @ 1:31 PM ET
i was wondering why my minor hockey coach moved me to wing. Now I know that he just didn't want me to get hurt.
- Itsjustarash


Nono, I think he's saying the opposite, he would get hurt if he played wing. So you're coach wanted you to get hurt.
Itsjustarash
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 08.29.2013

May 26 @ 1:36 PM ET
Nono, I think he's saying the opposite, he would get hurt if he played wing. So you're coach wanted you to get hurt.
- j.boyd919


HHHMMMMMM and this whole time I thought it was to make room for the coaches son to play center.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 26 @ 1:48 PM ET
Well after watching him get rag dolled many times by the likes of Getzlaf, Doughty and Burns. Yeah he needs to bulk up if he wants to go toe to toe with those boys.
- Itsjustarash

But what I’m saying is that’s a given considering he’s a 19 y/o kid fresh out of major junior. You can’t expect a 19 y/o kid to be physically mature playing against nhl vets in his first season of pro hockey. Basing a trade on that after drafting him in the 1st round in 2014... is silly.

Tavares got knocked down almost every shift his first year due to his skating and strength/balance needing a ton of work.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

May 26 @ 1:53 PM ET
That was because outside of tanev, you had a rookie in hutton learning the nhl, sbisa turning the puck over, edler having a miserable season and almost nothing else. It had everything to do with the fact that the canucks d was frankly pretty terrible.

I think trading away a 2nd and a 4th along with a 19 y/o first rounder playing his first season of pro hockey for a guy that gives you nothing offensively and a 4-5 at best defensively isn’t necessarily a smart thing to do for a rebuilding team. You’re also going to have to pay him shortly…

I don’t see that florida really needed mccann, but with the picks involved I’d give the win to the panthers. Straight up without the picks it would have been closer.

- Isles_since_6

I wanted the full rebuild. I dont hate the trade but I dont like it either. To me this is ownership saying make the playoffs now. Which wont happen. When you have guys on national tv saying the benning wants to rebuild but the owner isnt having it, this and many of the other deals made stink of this.

The Canucks wont be contending now for even longer than before. Its like they are trying to build a bubble team fighting for 8th year after year which is joke.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 26 @ 2:08 PM ET
I wanted the full rebuild. I dont hate the trade but I dont like it either. To me this is ownership saying make the playoffs now. Which wont happen. When you have guys on national tv saying the benning wants to rebuild but the owner isnt having it, this and many of the other deals made stink of this.

The Canucks wont be contending now for even longer than before. Its like they are trying to build a bubble team fighting for 8th year after year which is joke.

- mauryballstein

I agree with that – gudbranson isn’t a stiff, I just think it was crazy to toss away mccann so quickly along with the 2nd when it’s 33rd overall.

It does seem that despite what benning is saying that the owners in Vancouver want playoff money. Otherwise looking at the number of 2nd and 3rd round picks traded away for what seem like marginal upgrades or hoping players who didn’t work out elsewhere will figure it out…seems like a reach.

The full rebuild isn’t a guarantee (see isles and Edmonton for examples of how to make it take a decade) but I just don’t understand trading away youth and high picks to try and turn a lottery team into a bubble team.

Granted, wasting the last few years of the sedins with a complete tank job isn’t likely fun to watch or a good way to reward them for staying with the team for their careers, but it just seems like every good move is offset by a question mark.
Panthers88
Florida Panthers
Location: It's gonna be a long one.., FL
Joined: 07.21.2009

May 26 @ 2:14 PM ET
No intentions on resigning Campbell?
- j.boyd919

I'm sure there are but we can't count on it since he's a free agent and anything can happen. I definitely want him back after this trade.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 26 @ 2:27 PM ET
I'm sure there are but we can't count on it since he's a free agent and anything can happen. I definitely want him back after this trade.
- Panthers88


Yea I always liked cAmpbell.
PanthersGoal
Florida Panthers
Location: Coral Springs, FL
Joined: 08.21.2007

May 26 @ 2:50 PM ET
I'm sure there are but we can't count on it since he's a free agent and anything can happen. I definitely want him back after this trade.
- Panthers88



It was reported he's exploring. I'd say 50/50 at best. I say no. Let him go.
colgonics
Florida Panthers
Location: IL
Joined: 12.27.2014

May 26 @ 3:04 PM ET
Top 2 defenseman? He was thoroughly out-played nearly all season and definitely in the playoffs by Alex Petrovic. And when on Earth did he ever shut down a top opposing play maker? He never saw the ice with those types of guys.
-panthers88

Wow -- surprise -- completely disagree with everything you say again. You would rather have Petrovic than Gudbranson? Ok...
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

May 26 @ 4:48 PM ET
Well two seasons ago I'd smack your mother if you suggested we keep Petrovic over Gudbranson.
- Panthers88


yes, because that's what I said.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

May 26 @ 4:49 PM ET
you should do some homework on the Kid you "cats" are getting. MaCann shouldn't have been in the NHL last year - he was mainly there bcus of injuries to the Nucks core past his initial 10gs AND he was gonna start next season in the AHL - that's coming from the Canucks - in case you forgot - were horrible last year. The kid got his ass kicked nightly, was scratched 15 times in order for him to work out but most importantly, this kid even tho highly skilled, is a big softy will brutal habits. Terrified to go to the net, takes 90% of his shots from the wall and has a long way to go before his defensive game is worthy of a kick in the a$$.

At the end of the day - you don't really know what you're getting with this guy - IF he's properly developed MAYBE he'll turn into a decent third liner. This is a perfectly fair trade - both teams win - Nucks never had room for another center and needed a big, stay a home, defensive leader (with 5yrs under his belt at 24yrs)- which is precisely what Gud brings - this isn't a WIN NOW deal - this is bigger picture - he's a part of core going forward

- Brooks_Light


Gudbranson is not an NHL player. So yeah, you lose. McCann can never play a game with the Cats and you lost.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

May 26 @ 5:15 PM ET
I'm sure there are but we can't count on it since he's a free agent and anything can happen. I definitely want him back after this trade.
- Panthers88


Won't he want a ridiculous amount of money, though?
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 26 @ 5:25 PM ET
Gudbranson is not an NHL player. So yeah, you lose. McCann can never play a game with the Cats and you lost.
- Blackstrom2


gudbranson is an nhl player, but he's a bottom pairing guy on a good team and a 4-5 on an average team.

that said, I don't like how benning is tossing extra picks into each deal.
Itsjustarash
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 08.29.2013

May 26 @ 5:52 PM ET
But what I’m saying is that’s a given considering he’s a 19 y/o kid fresh out of major junior. You can’t expect a 19 y/o kid to be physically mature playing against nhl vets in his first season of pro hockey. Basing a trade on that after drafting him in the 1st round in 2014... is silly.

Tavares got knocked down almost every shift his first year due to his skating and strength/balance needing a ton of work.

- Isles_since_6


McCann is good but no where near the same talent level as Tavares was or will be at. Not knocking the kid but we filled a void that we were desperate to fill and had to give up something good. It's a great deal for both sides imo. Panthers have good young dmen that are all gonna warrant raises very soon and the Nucks have no room for McCann in the middle for atleast 2 years, so the deal makes sense for both sides.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 26 @ 7:05 PM ET
McCann is good but no where near the same talent level as Tavares was or will be at. Not knocking the kid but we filled a void that we were desperate to fill and had to give up something good. It's a great deal for both sides imo. Panthers have good young dmen that are all gonna warrant raises very soon and the Nucks have no room for McCann in the middle for atleast 2 years, so the deal makes sense for both sides.
- Itsjustarash


I never said he was going to be that good, the point is that even 1st overall picks dont step into the nhl physically ready for it.
Panthers88
Florida Panthers
Location: It's gonna be a long one.., FL
Joined: 07.21.2009

May 26 @ 8:02 PM ET
Top 2 defenseman? He was thoroughly out-played nearly all season and definitely in the playoffs by Alex Petrovic. And when on Earth did he ever shut down a top opposing play maker? He never saw the ice with those types of guys.
-panthers88

Wow -- surprise -- completely disagree with everything you say again. You would rather have Petrovic than Gudbranson? Ok...

- colgonics

First off.. everyone on this thread disagrees with you. The Canucks bloggers disagree with you. And is that what I said? No, it is not. I said that Petrovic had a better regular and post season than Gudbranson. Since they are virtually the same player it made the decision easy. Reading comprehension is important.
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