Im talking about the guy we gave up dumb ass
- vancity787

I acknowledged that I misread that. No need for name calling, ya donkey.

I stand corrected on cap issues, but to me he's not a top dollar player. And my point on making you better is that he doesn't get you anything more than you already have. I'd say your picks are more valuable than an Erik Gudbranson. Your team seems to need much more.
- PanthersGoal

The only pick that mattered was the 33rd overall, but even then its a crapshoot. The team doesnt want to tank/bottom out and Canucks have a wide gap between NHLers and prospects, this bridges it. High price for sure, but Gudbranson is definitely an NHL defenseman who has shown capable of eating up minutes which is more than what they have. Unless youre suggesting the Canucks acquired another Defenseman that doesnt score and they have too many of them, the Canucks got a player who will bring more just by his experience alone. Watch a few highlights from last season and see the tire-fire that was the Canucks in their own zone

I have no clue how anyone can say florida won the trade. Van didn't need McCann they needed big strong dmen and they need younger leaders.

We will draft Tkachuk or Dubois in the draft to replace McCann and our d looks way way better when you think Gudbranson can play with Hutton who can now cruise the ice
- The_Kuze

#grit #physicality

He's a bottom 3 guy imo. Play him anywhere from 3 to 6 spot and never on the PK.
- Panthers88

Essentially a slightly better version or Eric Gryba

Essentially a slightly better version or Eric Gryba
- prismo

For some reason, that statement made me really sad

I acknowledged that I misread that. No need for name calling, ya donkey.
- j.boyd919

You ask for no name calling and then call me the same thing I called you...... Seems odd....

Too bad Byfuglien decided to play for s bottom dweller his entire career. He would have been a nice fit in Florida.

Big right handed Dmen dont pop up everyday. Not to mention he is an everyday NHL player. Mccann hasent proven anything yet. Thats all Im saying.

We gained a rare commodity and got rid of one that is going to take time to see if it pans out.
- vancity787

Who cares that he's big? He's not a particularly skilled defenseman and, yes, McCann is unproven but if that's the case then why not just trade all prospects for middling talent? I won't profess to staying up late to watch Canucks games in the Eastern time zone, but by all accounts McCann showed a lot of promise this past year. He's also younger, cheaper, and controllable for longer. Gudbranson was looking for around $5M year, probably long term. I don't really see it as a particularly deft move.

Benning a) overpaid in the trade alone and b) will overpay when he signs Gudbranson to an asinine contract next season.

Too bad Byfuglien decided to play for s bottom dweller his entire career. He would have been a nice fit in Florida.
- BallardHitsHard22

Im pretty sure FLA would have been considered a bottom dweller up till this season...

Who cares that he's big? He's not a particularly skilled defenseman and, yes, McCann is unproven but if that's the case then why not just trade all prospects for middling talent? I won't profess to staying up late to watch Canucks games in the Eastern time zone, but by all accounts McCann showed a lot of promise this past year. He's also younger, cheaper, and controllable for longer. Gudbranson was looking for around $5M year, probably long term. I don't really see it as a particularly deft move.

Benning a) overpaid in the trade alone and b) will overpay when he signs Gudbranson to an asinine contract next season.
- eichiefs9

Should we have traded for a midget instead? Are they more effective on the blueline?
Can they drop the gloves and beat the crap out of six for three men?

I wasnt aware. I'll keep that in mind going forward.

Who cares that he's big? He's not a particularly skilled defenseman and, yes, McCann is unproven but if that's the case then why not just trade all prospects for middling talent? I won't profess to staying up late to watch Canucks games in the Eastern time zone, but by all accounts McCann showed a lot of promise this past year. He's also younger, cheaper, and controllable for longer. Gudbranson was looking for around $5M year, probably long term. I don't really see it as a particularly deft move.

Benning a) overpaid in the trade alone and b) will overpay when he signs Gudbranson to an asinine contract next season.
- eichiefs9

Yup, basically what I'm trying to make as a point. I think we did good on this one.

Should we have traded for a midget instead? Are they more effective on the blueline?
Can they drop the gloves and beat the crap out of six for three men?

I wasnt aware. I'll keep that in mind going forward.
- vancity787

No, what you should do is not make sweeping generalizations that a player's size is directly correlated to them being good hockey players. If said (little person) is a better hockey player than big boy Erik Gudbranson, then yes...you should have traded for them instead. Does fighting win you hockey games?

Yup, basically what I'm trying to make as a point. I think we did good on this one.
- PanthersGoal

I actually thought he played pretty well in the playoffs, but overall I have never been overly impressed with him.

Should we have traded for a midget instead? Are they more effective on the blueline?
Can they drop the gloves and beat the crap out of six for three men?

I wasnt aware. I'll keep that in mind going forward.
- vancity787

Torey Krug dislikes your statement

Who cares that he's big? He's not a particularly skilled defenseman and, yes, McCann is unproven but if that's the case then why not just trade all prospects for middling talent? I won't profess to staying up late to watch Canucks games in the Eastern time zone, but by all accounts McCann showed a lot of promise this past year. He's also younger, cheaper, and controllable for longer. Gudbranson was looking for around $5M year, probably long term. I don't really see it as a particularly deft move.

Benning a) overpaid in the trade alone and b) will overpay when he signs Gudbranson to an asinine contract next season.
- eichiefs9

I dont disagree with the comments on overpayment and the fact that Gudbranson will get paid whatever he wants, but being big is actually important in the Pacific division. Teams like LA and ANA have full lineups like the Isle's 4th that wears down the smaller D. The difference between the Canucks D in the first and third periods in those games last year were night and day, from fresh and energetic to slow and timid. If he can keep his composure while taking hits, he'll be fine. Likely wont justify the cost to acquire him, but he'll be fine

I dont disagree with the comments on overpayment and the fact that Gudbranson will get paid whatever he wants, but being big is actually important in the Pacific division. Teams like LA and ANA have full lineups like the Isle's 4th that wears down the smaller D. The difference between the Canucks D in the first and third periods in those games last year were night and day, from fresh and energetic to slow and timid. If he can keep his composure while taking hits, he'll be fine. Likely wont justify the cost to acquire him, but he'll be fine
- WhiteLie

Right, I wasn't implying being big was useless. Just that it's not a reason to justify the trade nor is it something that, on its own, makes a player special (in a useful way). Trading what Benning did for a guy who's big under the guise of "it's the Pacific division" is shortsighted. If he were big and a true top 3-4 guy, sure I get it. Makes perfect sense. But he's just not all that good. Not McCann + high 2nd + 4th good.

You ask for no name calling and then call me the same thing I called you...... Seems odd....
- vancity787

that was the point.

I dont disagree with the comments on overpayment and the fact that Gudbranson will get paid whatever he wants, but being big is actually important in the Pacific division. Teams like LA and ANA have full lineups like the Isle's 4th that wears down the smaller D. The difference between the Canucks D in the first and third periods in those games last year were night and day, from fresh and energetic to slow and timid. If he can keep his composure while taking hits, he'll be fine. Likely wont justify the cost to acquire him, but he'll be fine
- WhiteLie

That was because outside of tanev, you had a rookie in hutton learning the nhl, sbisa turning the puck over, edler having a miserable season and almost nothing else. It had everything to do with the fact that the canucks d was frankly pretty terrible.

I think trading away a 2nd and a 4th along with a 19 y/o first rounder playing his first season of pro hockey for a guy that gives you nothing offensively and a 4-5 at best defensively isn’t necessarily a smart thing to do for a rebuilding team. You’re also going to have to pay him shortly…

I don’t see that florida really needed mccann, but with the picks involved I’d give the win to the panthers. Straight up without the picks it would have been closer.

Being as tough as you are handsome can go a long way
- AdamFrench

works for me !

Gudbranson is a top two defenseman. He brings limited offensive capabilities, but on the pk he can clear out the goalie area as well as shutdown top offensive play makers. He is a one-way defenseman, but he is exceptional at that one part.

I know everyone thinks Florida won and maybe I'm wrong, but Florida gave up a hell of a player for the possibility of a solid winger.
- colgonics

I'm thinking, since he was selected 3rd overall and still kinda young, that if he can develop a bit that offensive side, Nuck might not have made that bad of a deal ?

Honest question for Canucks fans... do you guys like what Jim Benning is doing/has done?

From an outside perspective and in hindsight... I have yet to see a move/signing that makes him look good.

That was because outside of tanev, you had a rookie in hutton learning the nhl, sbisa turning the puck over, edler having a miserable season and almost nothing else. It had everything to do with the fact that the canucks d was frankly pretty terrible.

I think trading away a 2nd and a 4th along with a 19 y/o first rounder playing his first season of pro hockey for a guy that gives you nothing offensively and a 4-5 at best defensively isn’t necessarily a smart thing to do for a rebuilding team. You’re also going to have to pay him shortly…

I don’t see that florida really needed mccann, but with the picks involved I’d give the win to the panthers. Straight up without the picks it would have been closer.
- Isles_since_6

I dont disagree, but without acquiring a D in a trade, the Canucks would have the same ineffective aging defense core. Steep price, I think McCann will be a really good NHL player but I guess the Canucks are doing the best they can to avoid being in the lottery next year and FLA had the luxury of sitting pat and not make this deal

I don't see how everyone thinks Florida won this deal by a landslide. I am a big McCann fan but the boy needs to bulk up or he will be a career AHL'er. Maybe look at it from Vancouvers side. We need a right handed dman thats not scared to throw a hit more than once a game. It has been way too easy to play against the Canucks over the last 10 years and EG could change that. McCann was not going to get any playing time with Sedin, Horvat and Sutter ahead of him on the depth chart. And we also get the 5th overall. Who will replace the loss of McCann. So you can all say to yourself you won the deal but for us in Vancouver, Gudbranson is a type of player we have been wanting for some time now.

Honest question for Canucks fans... do you guys like what Jim Benning is doing/has done?

From an outside perspective and in hindsight... I have yet to see a move/signing that makes him look good.
- j.boyd919

I actually am. He's honest about what hes doing and what he said when he was hired. He wanted to get younger and still compete, whether thats the best way to build a championship team or not, at least he's doing what he said.

I posted this in the Canucks thread earlier which is a summary of his deals:

Interestingly enough, with JB's moves the Canucks now have:

11th overall from 2007 (Sutter)
19th overall from 2008 (Sbisa)
3rd overall from 2010 (Gudbranson)
29th overall from 2010 (Etem)
13th overall from 2011 (Sven)
45th overall from 2011 (Granlund)

Given how poorly the team has drafted from 2007-2011, I am really happy with his moves. Yes those arent all superstars, but they are NHL players and if they were home grown, I think we would be very happy with these guys as the result. JB has got the team younger and done well with his own drafts so far

So while he hasnt acquired superstars, he is trying to find them in the draft. Our homegrown talents now include Horvat, Hutton, Tryamkin, Virtanen, and soon Boeser, Demko, this year's first pick. Thats where he will get our future top players, but he's now filled out the roster with young NHL bodies. His contracts skills are less than desirable but I wont panic until we actually are tight with cap space and are competing

I actually am. He's honest about what hes doing and what he said when he was hired. He wanted to get younger and still compete, whether thats the best way to build a championship team or not, at least he's doing what he said.

I posted this in the Canucks thread earlier which is a summary of his deals:


So while he hasnt acquired superstars, he is trying to find them in the draft. Our homegrown talents now include Horvat, Hutton, Tryamkin, Virtanen, and soon Boeser, Demko, this year's first pick. Thats where he will get our future top players, but he's now filled out the roster with young NHL bodies. His contracts skills are less than desirable but I wont panic until we actually are tight with cap space and are competing
- WhiteLie

So he's acquired:
Sutter, Granlund, Gudbranson, Dorsett , Larsen, Etem, Baertschi, Prust, Sbisa, Pedan, Vey 1st, 2nd 2nd, 3rd, 5th round picks for

given up:
Kesler, Bonino, McCann, Shinkaruk, Garrison, Costello, Clendening, Jensen, Malet, kassian (I understand), Bieksa, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, and 6th

That seems terrible! draft pick mismanagement

EDIT: I think im missing 1 or 2 more smaller trades