Ha...you mean DOZENS of them.
- cornball

Edit, damn

Gudbranson is a top two defenseman. He brings limited offensive capabilities, but on the pk he can clear out the goalie area as well as shutdown top offensive play makers. He is a one-way defenseman, but he is exceptional at that one part.

I know everyone thinks Florida won and maybe I'm wrong, but Florida gave up a hell of a player for the possibility of a solid winger.
- colgonics

benning is doing a wonderful job of tossing extra draft picks into trades to make sure he has less to do before the ufa period.
- Isles_since_6

Yup. He should author a book called "How to make a bad trade worse"

Matt Hunwick is a top 2 dman if they apply some of the logic thats been floating around these threads
- DDM-Coga

All I'm hearing is that he sucks offensively but he can clear the net sooo Roman polak?

Gudbranson is a 4/5 defensmen and this was a horrible trade for Vancouver.

Gudbranson is a top two defenseman. He brings limited offensive capabilities, but on the pk he can clear out the goalie area as well as shutdown top offensive play makers. He is a one-way defenseman, but he is exceptional at that one part.

I know everyone thinks Florida won and maybe I'm wrong, but Florida gave up a hell of a player for the possibility of a solid winger.
- colgonics

Thats exactly what I was thinking. We Aquired A solid NHL dman and gave up someone whos shown flashes of offensive brilliance but quite frankly hasnt proven anything at the NHL. Only time will tell. The Canucks needed a big right handed dman so Im satisfied (But without the second rounder)

Very true. McCoshen won't be ready for the jump just yet. Top 3 is set with Ekblad, Matheson, and Kulikov, though. Matheson and Ekblad were just an amazing pairing last season.
- Panthers88

No intentions on resigning Campbell?

Thats exactly what I was thinking. We Aquired A solid NHL dman and gave up someone whos shown flashes of offensive brilliance but quite frankly hasnt proven anything at the NHL. Only time will tell. The Canucks needed a big right handed dman so Im satisfied (But without the second rounder)
- vancity787

Gudbranson is not a top-2 defenseman. He's barely a top-4 defenseman.

Gudbranson was horrible. great trade for the Cats.
- Blackstrom2

you should do some homework on the Kid you "cats" are getting. MaCann shouldn't have been in the NHL last year - he was mainly there bcus of injuries to the Nucks core past his initial 10gs AND he was gonna start next season in the AHL - that's coming from the Canucks - in case you forgot - were horrible last year. The kid got his ass kicked nightly, was scratched 15 times in order for him to work out but most importantly, this kid even tho highly skilled, is a big softy will brutal habits. Terrified to go to the net, takes 90% of his shots from the wall and has a long way to go before his defensive game is worthy of a kick in the a$$.

At the end of the day - you don't really know what you're getting with this guy - IF he's properly developed MAYBE he'll turn into a decent third liner. This is a perfectly fair trade - both teams win - Nucks never had room for another center and needed a big, stay a home, defensive leader (with 5yrs under his belt at 24yrs)- which is precisely what Gud brings - this isn't a WIN NOW deal - this is bigger picture - he's a part of core going forward

Thats exactly what I was thinking. We Aquired A solid NHL dman and gave up someone whos shown flashes of offensive brilliance but quite frankly hasnt proven anything at the NHL. Only time will tell. The Canucks needed a big right handed dman so Im satisfied (But without the second rounder)
- vancity787

I don't think Gudbranson makes your club much better. You need to hold the picks you continually shop away. Gudbranson also is UFA, what's he worth then? And if not as much as your guys wanna pay, was it a good trade then?

Hank, Horvat, Sutter, Granlund (don't bring up Shink), Gaunce all play C
Sven, Boeser, Hansen, Rodin, Virtanen
#5 will either be Tkachuk or Dubois

Looks like they coulda used McCann as a future W. But he woulda been in the AHL this year.

This is a good trade for VAN (player for player). VAN needs another Dman, FLA could certainly afford to move one.

The only issues with this trade:

2nd rd pick - 33rd overall
- offer obj optional 2nd or even 2nd next year. Canucks needed the 33rd overall to have another project in the system NOW. Too many picks traded.

What will Trader Jim resign EG for? Thats the scary part.

Other than that ....

Gudbranson is not a top-2 defenseman. He's barely a top-4 defenseman.
- eichiefs9

Big right handed Dmen dont pop up everyday. Not to mention he is an everyday NHL player. Mccann hasent proven anything yet. Thats all Im saying.

We gained a rare commodity and got rid of one that is going to take time to see if it pans out.

Gudbranson is not a top-2 defenseman. He's barely a top-4 defenseman.
- eichiefs9

damn straight

So as a 19 year old this forward played in the NHL. Does that mean he's really iOS or is Vancouver that bad??

Canuck fans, insight in this kid please? It hurts seeing Guddy get traded, there's no loyalty in Florida. Mickey Mouse organization does it again.
- BallardHitsHard22

McCann is projected to be top 6 scoring but the question for FLA is does he fit your big and heavy game the Panthers are trying to attribute? McCann is a bit of a soft player which is better suited for the east but the kid has an UNREAL shot. Both teams get some needs filled here. We need toughness and top 4 D on the back end and FLA needs secondary scoring badly as the PO's showed. We were steep on the picks but that's what top 4 D require nowadays. McCann should be a legit 20 goal guy for FLA in 2-3 seasons.

All I'm hearing is that he sucks offensively but he can clear the net sooo Roman polak?

Gudbranson is a 4/5 defensmen and this was a horrible trade for Vancouver.
- Santo_44

I would have wanted him on the Avs, Hes not a rock top 4 guy, but can be your number 4 or a really good third pairing guy. But at 5m that he was asking...I think you could spend 5m in UFA and get a similar Dman to him

But that price to get him was a number 3 Dman...Dougie Hamilton was traded for a 1st and 2 2nd round picks. McCann and a 2nd round pick (33rd) is creeping up to that same price tag. No one is getting Gudbranson and Dougie mixed up

I don't think Gudbranson makes your club much better. You need to hold the picks you continually shop away. Gudbranson also is UFA, what's he worth then? And if not as much as your guys wanna pay, was it a good trade then?
- PanthersGoal

I dont have high expectations for Gudbranson, but seriously the second pairing last season consistent of Bartkowski (he of the many healthy scratches in BOS the year before, turn over machine), Hamhuis (declining and aging but solid defender), Biega (journeyman AHLer who was basically a rookie at 28, undersized), and Hutton (a very surprising college rookie who showed upside but definitely looked like a rookie). It was a gongshow out there, the Canucks defense was terrible so this will already be a massive upgrade

Also he is signed for next season at $3.5, then RFA. Got a couple more years of control which wont matter since Benning will likely offer 5+ years

I dont have high expectations for Gudbranson, but seriously the second pairing last season consistent of Bartkowski (he of the many healthy scratches in BOS the year before, turn over machine), Hamhuis (declining and aging but solid defender), Biega (journeyman AHLer who was basically a rookie at 28, undersized), and Hutton (a very surprising college rookie who showed upside but definitely looked like a rookie). It was a gongshow out there, the Canucks defense was terrible so this will already be a massive upgrade
- WhiteLie

I dont think anyone is disagree that he wont be an upgrades for the Canucks based on the current D pairings, but just think it was poor asset mgmt with those pieces going out. McCann and 33rd overall should have pulled something a bit more substantial.

I dont have high expectations for Gudbranson, but seriously the second pairing last season consistent of Bartkowski (he of the many healthy scratches in BOS the year before, turn over machine), Hamhuis (declining and aging but solid defender), Biega (journeyman AHLer who was basically a rookie at 28, undersized), and Hutton (a very surprising college rookie who showed upside but definitely looked like a rookie). It was a gongshow out there, the Canucks defense was terrible so this will already be a massive upgrade
- WhiteLie

Yup. Gotta give up to get. Im not a at all hurting over this. D has been our most pressing need.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. We Aquired A solid NHL dman and gave up someone whos shown flashes of offensive brilliance but quite frankly hasnt proven anything at the NHL. Only time will tell. The Canucks needed a big right handed dman so Im satisfied (But without the second rounder)
- vancity787

What (frank)ing hockey have you been watching?! Dude has 43 points in 309 games. flashes of offensive brilliance?!!

I dont think anyone is disagree that he wont be an upgrades for the Canucks based on the current D pairings, but just think it was poor asset mgmt with those pieces going out. McCann and 33rd overall should have pulled something a bit more substantial.
- DDM-Coga

Agreed that it shouldve got more for that price, but what it equates to probably wasnt available. Like Dumba for example, I dont see MIN making that deal, nor NYI for Hamonic, etc. Canucks definitely were the pursing team in this deal and it shows. The team seeking likely overpays a bit.

The part I am most curious about, is why everyone keeps saying McCann is a winger. He wasn't very good as a winger in Vancouver, which if you looked at the lineup this year is saying a lot

What (frank)ing hockey have you been watching?! Dude has 43 points in 309 games. flashes of offensive brilliance?!!
- j.boyd919

He said the Canucks gave up someone that showed flashes of brilliance (aka McCann )

He said the Canucks gave up someone that showed flashes of brilliance (aka McCann )
- WhiteLie

Oh. sorry. Misread that lol

I dont have high expectations for Gudbranson, but seriously the second pairing last season consistent of Bartkowski (he of the many healthy scratches in BOS the year before, turn over machine), Hamhuis (declining and aging but solid defender), Biega (journeyman AHLer who was basically a rookie at 28, undersized), and Hutton (a very surprising college rookie who showed upside but definitely looked like a rookie). It was a gongshow out there, the Canucks defense was terrible so this will already be a massive upgrade

Also he is signed for next season at $3.5, then RFA. Got a couple more years of control which wont matter since Benning will likely offer 5+ years
- WhiteLie

I stand corrected on cap issues, but to me he's not a top dollar player. And my point on making you better is that he doesn't get you anything more than you already have. I'd say your picks are more valuable than an Erik Gudbranson. Your team seems to need much more.

I have no clue how anyone can say florida won the trade. Van didn't need McCann they needed big strong dmen and they need younger leaders.

We will draft Tkachuk or Dubois in the draft to replace McCann and our d looks way way better when you think Gudbranson can play with Hutton who can now cruise the ice

I have no clue how anyone can say florida won the trade. Van didn't need McCann they needed big strong dmen and they need younger leaders.

We will draft Tkachuk or Dubois in the draft to replace McCann and our d looks way way better when you think Gudbranson can play with Hutton who can now cruise the ice
- The_Kuze

But its not like the Canucks are deep at center. And McCann has the potential to be a top six center.

And that 2nd rounder tho

What (frank)ing hockey have you been watching?! Dude has 43 points in 309 games. flashes of offensive brilliance?!!
- j.boyd919

Im talking about the guy we gave up dumb ass