But it's not the right call. If you're fractionally offside, you gain literally zero advantage. It's a stupid, pedantic rule that is applied far outside the reason offsides were invented in the first place.
- James_Tanner

You want to slow down the game.....being onside will help IMO and it's totally the right call. I think they should have someone reviewing during the game and if offside - stop the game reset the clock and game on...regardless of a goal.

You want to slow down the game.....being onside will help IMO and it's totally the right call. I think they should have someone reviewing during the game and if offside - stop the game reset the clock and game on...regardless of a goal.
- Garnie

Reviewing every single time a team crosses the other team's blue line?

Reviewing every single time a team crosses the other team's blue line?
- DeflatedPucks

Why don't we just review all scoring plays, like the NFL does. Done.

Reviewing every single time a team crosses the other team's blue line?
- DeflatedPucks

Yes, just have cameras on the line....silly watching them cycle knowing it's an offside and a goal won't count.

Yes, just have cameras on the line....silly watching them cycle knowing it's an offside and a goal won't count.
- Garnie

But that would easily be like a hundred times a game. Plus, by the time they start reviewing one zone entry, there's a good chance the other team has taken the puck into the other offensive zone, further complicating things.

Maybe just keep it for scoring plays, automatic review to see if it was offside. And even then, there would have to be some kind of time limitation too

They put the time back on the clock...
- j.boyd919

No they do not. If you don't put the puck into the net, the time just runs out and will not be put back. But this is not the same as a powerplay because you CANNOT score. Essentially, to score, you now have to score twice.

And this is why the rule does not "get it right".

Why don't we just review all scoring plays, like the NFL does. Done.
- BestRapperAlive

Honestly, I agree with this, they should do that. Get the call right.

But that would easily be like a hundred times a game. Plus, by the time they start reviewing one zone entry, there's a good chance the other team has taken the puck into the other offensive zone, further complicating things.

Maybe just keep it for scoring plays, automatic review to see if it was offside. And even then, there would have to be some kind of time limitation too
- DeflatedPucks

Maybe I haven't thought about it too much....but it seems the refs miss a lot. What the (frank) is wrong with the players not keeping their back foot down? It's almost the 1st rule when learning hockey.

They absolutely are getting the right call. If you're fractionally offside then you are still offside. It's pretty black-and-white. If only a fraction of the puck goes over the goal line, should it then be called a goal? It's the same thing.

If a player wants to the call, just stay onside. Pretty simple.
- lemieux_66

You are so wrong here it's really quite spectacular. Offside is a rule to prevent cherry-picking. Calling micro infractions is not in the spirit of the rule. It is absolutely not a black and white issue and slavish devotion to rules outside their intended use is not helpful or necessary.

No they do not. If you don't put the puck into the net, the time just runs out and will not be put back. But this is not the same as a powerplay because you CANNOT score. Essentially, to score, you now have to score twice.

And this is why the rule does not "get it right".
- TartanBill

If they don't score, you don't really know if it was offside anyways....so there's that.

The problem is far, far worse. By not calling the offside that *do not* result in a goal, the defensive team gets a free play and the attacking team gets a *no possible good can come of this* play. The attacking team draws in invisible penalty *every time* the offside is missed on ice. That means the challenge systematically and by design gets the calls wrong.

The asymmetry invoking the review systematically biases the game in favor of the defense. Moreover, it creates phantom blocks of game time in which not only did a goal not result, but a goal *could not occur*.

Consider the extreme case of a powerplay. Enter offside, you cannot score, but you can and will have your PP time run off the game clock. You had your powerplay stolen because a ref missed a close offside? What sense does this make?

Finally, as a fan, I've been cheated. I paid for a 60-minute game. How many of those minutes never really mattered?
- TartanBill

Very solid point.

LOGICAL FALLACY
CRITICAL THINKING

Am I doing this right?
- BestRapperAlive

Not sure you even know what those things are. Actually, I am sure.

You want to slow down the game.....being onside will help IMO and it's totally the right call. I think they should have someone reviewing during the game and if offside - stop the game reset the clock and game on...regardless of a goal.
- Garnie

If they are going to slavishly call marginal offsides, they should make the blue line five feet bigger.

You are so wrong here it's really quite spectacular. Offside is a rule to prevent cherry-picking. Calling micro infractions is not in the spirit of the rule. It is absolutely not a black and white issue and slavish devotion to rules outside their intended use is not helpful or necessary.
- James_Tanner

Offside is offside and it can keep the game slowed down...instead of the guy being offside by a millimetre...he should have slowed up and NOT been offside...slowing the game obviously...which as you said wouldn't hurt.

The redline was for cherry picking it's now gone.

No they do not. If you don't put the puck into the net, the time just runs out and will not be put back. But this is not the same as a powerplay because you CANNOT score. Essentially, to score, you now have to score twice.

And this is why the rule does not "get it right".
- TartanBill

ooooh ok i get it now.

If they are going to slavishly call marginal offsides, they should make the blue line five feet bigger.
- James_Tanner

It's the first rule of hockey...no need to change it...the players and the play have just got too fast for the linesman. IMO

as I said earlier, maybe some outside help for the linesmen with cams etc.

It's the first rule of hockey...no need to change it...the players and the play have just got too fast for the linesman. IMO

as I said earlier, maybe some outside help for the linesmen with cams etc.
- Garnie

yes. on all scoring plays.

yes. on all scoring plays.
- BestRapperAlive

Or if the guy can see it quick enough, you stop play right away...or stop it regardless...reset the clock and drop the da puck.

You are so wrong here it's really quite spectacular. Offside is a rule to prevent cherry-picking. Calling micro infractions is not in the spirit of the rule. It is absolutely not a black and white issue and slavish devotion to rules outside their intended use is not helpful or necessary.
- James_Tanner

But they call micro fraction offsides every single game. You see players arguing their case ALL the time. Offside is offside, regardless if you're an inch offside or 20 feet offside, there is no varying degree of offside, and there shouldn't be. You're either onside or you're offside, that is it. There is no grey area, it's pretty black and white.

It's the first rule of hockey...no need to change it...the players and the play have just got too fast for the linesman. IMO

as I said earlier, maybe some outside help for the linesmen with cams etc.
- Garnie

Dennis Wideman needs to mete out justice to any linesman not doing their job

Dennis Wideman needs to mete out justice to any linesman not doing their job

- DeflatedPucks

I still don't think he did it intentionally

The players need to be better in not being offside and the linesman need to be better as well in calling the play correctly.
- lemieux_66

I cannot possibly agree with the first part, we are not playing golf where you can call your own penalty. This is the ref's job. And they "might" learn to stay onside if the calls were consistent, but only the tiny fraction in which a goal is scored every get reviewed. So there is no feedback mechanism for players to improve onside/offside precision

I'd love the refs to be better, but they miss countless calls every game. Fixing the Danny Briere game-tying score because he was a full stride offside is one thing, catching something that can only be seen in stop motion or long after the offside is another.

Moreover, will this (or has it) lead to refs overcalling offside? That is, calling it if it seems too close? No review on that is there?

It's a damned stupid rule that could be mostly fixed by
1) putting 10 or 15 second limit (beyond that, the offside will have had little effect) and
2) only invoking the replay if an offside play scored or assisted

More touches than that or more time that that and the offside will have had essentially zero effect on the play.

This isn't perfect, but it prevents the unintended bias and still prevents the offside off the rush that results in a goal.

yes. on all scoring plays.
- BestRapperAlive

That's pretty much happening already...except each team is doing their own and not the league yet.

I cannot possibly agree with the first part, we are not playing golf where you can call your own penalty. This is the ref's job. I'd love the refs to be better, but they miss countless calls every game. Fixing the Danny Briere game-tying score because he was a full stride offside is one thing, catching something that can only be seen in stop motion or long after the offside is another.

Moreover, will this (or has it) lead to refs overcalling offside? That is, calling it if it seems too close? No review on that is there?

It's a damned stupid rule that could be mostly fixed by
1) putting 10 or 15 second limit (beyond that, the offside will have had little effect) and
2) only invoking the replay if an offside play scored or assisted

More touches than that or more time that that and the offside will have had essentially zero effect on the play.

This isn't perfect, but it prevents the unintended bias and still prevents the offside off the rush that results in a goal.
- TartanBill

Possible but tough.

But they call micro fraction offsides every single game. You see players arguing their case ALL the time. Offside is offside, regardless if you're an inch offside or 20 feet offside, there is no varying degree of offside, and there shouldn't be. You're either onside or you're offside, that is it. There is no grey area, it's pretty black and white.
- j.boyd919

There is a varying degree. Before replay, the ref wouldn't have called half the goals that don't count now. It's only bc coaches have nothing to lose, so they try a review and damn, if you slow it down by 100000 x you can see he sort of is like maybe a half micro-millimetre offside.

Get rid of all video review and bring back the goal judge.