wtf happened over at the Oilers thread - again

Its literally the size of your palm on the arms of the jersey. I don't its very noticeable or about as much as a team logo or number written on the side. So I don't see how fan negative would necessarily be negative.

And by testing, it will start small until who knows, Premier League size logos replace them.
- DeflatedPucks

Then I guess the fans of the NHL have no punk-rock spirit. Just go ahead and sell-out then, see if I care!!

Then I guess the fans of the NHL have no punk-rock spirit. Just go ahead and sell-out then, see if I care!!
- James_Tanner

If it adds to hrr who cares. The cap needs to grow

Eliminate fighting ? Yah let's make it easier for players to run around and take liberties on teams best players with no fear!! Brilliant !!!! They need to eliminate the instigator and allow teams to patrol the ice because the league has proven they can't suspend properly.
- jmdodgeser4

Player A takes a cheap shot from player B

Player A's 4th line teammate goon then fights player B's 4th line teammate goon.


Justice

Player A takes a cheap shot from player B

Player A's 4th line teammate goon then fights player B's 4th line teammate goon.


Justice
- sbroads24

No contact/no hitting pee-wee-esque hockey. Nobody's feelings get hurt.

Justice.

If it adds to hrr who cares. The cap needs to grow
- Wissler

I care, and no it doesn't. Teams just need to manage it better.

No contact/no hitting pee-wee-esque hockey. Nobody's feelings get hurt.

Justice.
- DeflatedPucks

Like, I'm sure that there is a balance between the two extremes. But, at this point, it's hard to be pro-fighting without sounding like a Kid Rock fan.

Player A takes a cheap shot from player B

Player A's 4th line teammate goon then fights player B's 4th line teammate goon.


Justice
- sbroads24

When bautista got clocked by odor i thought immediately odor has to be suspended there is no place in baseball for that crap. But yet hockey that can happen at almost any time and its only a 5 min major so really no one gets punished. Fighting can happen but players should be ejected and disciplined accordingly.

No contact/no hitting pee-wee-esque hockey. Nobody's feelings get hurt.

Justice.
- DeflatedPucks

Who said no hitting?

So what you're saying is that there is an acceptable number where it's OK for some guys to suffer terrible brain damage? I mean, just off the top of my head Kordic, Probert, Belak, Bougard, Avery. How many non-fighters do we hear about with brain damage and post career problems likely related to such? Can't think of one. They are literally all enforcers.
- James_Tanner

Not Belak.

When bautista got clocked by odor i thought immediately odor has to be suspended there is no place in baseball for that crap. But yet hockey that can happen at almost any time and its only a 5 min major so really no one gets punished. Fighting can happen but players should be ejected and disciplined accordingly.
- Wissler

When Odor almost got his legs taken out, I thought immediately Bautista has to be suspended, there is no place in baseball for that crap.

But it's not the right call. If you're fractionally offside, you gain literally zero advantage. It's a stupid, pedantic rule that is applied far outside the reason offsides were invented in the first place.
- James_Tanner

They absolutely are getting the right call. If you're fractionally offside then you are still offside. It's pretty black-and-white. If only a fraction of the puck goes over the goal line, should it then be called a goal? It's the same thing.

If a player wants to the call, just stay onside. Pretty simple.

Nay, that's an extreme position. No one is saying to keep running the clock or to hurry games up, but the delays for minutia are ridiculous and annoying.

Just because you want to adjust something doesn't mean you have to go crazy in that direction - you can want the game to speed up without being ridiculous. Plus no TV timeouts would be great - though I can accept them as a necessary evil.

But the worst part about a coaches challenge is it takes the fun out of the building when a big goal is scored. It's such a terrible let down and it comes with basically no reward to offset the high cost.
- James_Tanner

Oh I wasn't really serious with my suggestions. But I don't think that is minutia, it's a goal, you win by scoring more goals, and if that goal is illegal (high stick, kicked in, punched in, offside), it should be illegal and the right call should be made. It only takes the fun out of the building when it's against the home team. But if the home team gets scored on and it gets reversed, that building is going to go nuts, it goes both ways.

Like, I'm sure that there is a balance between the two extremes. But, at this point, it's hard to be pro-fighting without sounding like a Kid Rock fan.
- James_Tanner

Honest question, should they ban the UFC due to head trauma?

But it's not the right call. If you're fractionally offside, you gain literally zero advantage. It's a stupid, pedantic rule that is applied far outside the reason offsides were invented in the first place.
- James_Tanner

The problem is far, far worse. By not calling the offside that *do not* result in a goal, the defensive team gets a free play and the attacking team gets a *no possible good can come of this* play. The attacking team draws in invisible penalty *every time* the offside is missed on ice. That means the challenge systematically and by design gets the calls wrong.

The asymmetry invoking the review systematically biases the game in favor of the defense. Moreover, it creates phantom blocks of game time in which not only did a goal not result, but a goal *could not occur*.

Consider the extreme case of a powerplay. Enter offside, you cannot score, but you can and will have your PP time run off the game clock. You had your powerplay stolen because a ref missed a close offside? What sense does this make?

Finally, as a fan, I've been cheated. I paid for a 60-minute game. How many of those minutes never really mattered?

LOGICAL FALLACY
CRITICAL THINKING

Am I doing this right?

I care, and no it doesn't. Teams just need to manage it better.
- James_Tanner

100% correct but the NHL is a business and usually the business owners, the guys holding the cash will decide profit means more than tradition...

The problem is far, far worse. By not calling the offside that *do not* result in a goal, the defensive team gets a free play and the attacking team gets a *no possible good can come of this* play. The attacking team draws in invisible penalty *every time* the offside is missed on ice. That means the challenge systematically and by design gets the calls wrong.

The asymmetry invoking the review systematically biases the game in favor of the defense. Moreover, it creates phantom blocks of game time in which not only did a goal not result, but a goal *could not occur*.

Consider the extreme case of a powerplay. Enter offside, you cannot score, but you can and will have your PP time run off the game clock. You had your powerplay stolen because a ref missed a close offside? What sense does this make?

Finally, as a fan, I've been cheated. I paid for a 60-minute game. How many of those minutes never really mattered?
- TartanBill

They put the time back on the clock...

They should just review every goal for an offside, it seems the refs ARE NOT getting it right very often.

Honest question, should they ban the UFC due to head trauma?
- j.boyd919

Boxing, martial arts, football, rugby... playgrounds because its a known fact playgrounds cause concussions in children.

The age of the goon is gone. But I'd be curious to see if there are any stats on ex-NHL players that fought rarely/occasionally and concussions. Those not considered enforcers. Not sure you could quantify that but...

The problem is far, far worse. By not calling the offside that *do not* result in a goal, the defensive team gets a free play and the attacking team gets a *no possible good can come of this* play. The attacking team draws in invisible penalty *every time* the offside is missed on ice. That means the challenge systematically and by design gets the calls wrong.

The asymmetry invoking the review systematically biases the game in favor of the defense. Moreover, it creates phantom blocks of game time in which not only did a goal not result, but a goal *could not occur*.

Consider the extreme case of a powerplay. Enter offside, you cannot score, but you can and will have your PP time run off the game clock. You had your powerplay stolen because a ref missed a close offside? What sense does this make?

Finally, as a fan, I've been cheated. I paid for a 60-minute game. How many of those minutes never really mattered?
- TartanBill

While you aren't wrong about the time lost during a play that is eventually called for a no goal, I'd rather the correct call be made in regards to a goal being scored. It's not fair to the team that is scored against if the play should have been called off. The players need to be better in not being offside and the linesman need to be better as well in calling the play correctly.

Boxing, martial arts, football, rugby... playgrounds because its a known fact playgrounds cause concussions in children.

The age of the goon is gone. But I'd be curious to see if there are any stats on ex-NHL players that fought rarely/occasionally and concussions. Those not considered enforcers...
- geta02it

I agree the age of the goon is gone, but I do like seeing me some good ole fisticuffs sometimes. As long as it's not some staged BS.

When Odor almost got his legs taken out, I thought immediately Bautista has to be suspended, there is no place in baseball for that crap.
- DeflatedPucks

Ya odor really got roughed up pretty bad from that moderately hard slide into second... How does a old baseball play compare to a violent attack to someone's head? Its stupid just like clean hits leading to brawls in hockey.

Nay, that's an extreme position. No one is saying to keep running the clock or to hurry games up, but the delays for minutia are ridiculous and annoying.

Just because you want to adjust something doesn't mean you have to go crazy in that direction - you can want the game to speed up without being ridiculous. Plus no TV timeouts would be great - though I can accept them as a necessary evil.

But the worst part about a coaches challenge is it takes the fun out of the building when a big goal is scored. It's such a terrible let down and it comes with basically no reward to offset the high cost.
- James_Tanner

Or maybe the players should just stay on side? Some nights it's almost like they've forgotten what the blue line is for.

Ya odor really got roughed up pretty bad from that moderately hard slide into second... How does a old baseball play compare to a violent attack to someone's head? Its stupid just like clean hits leading to brawls in hockey.
- Wissler

Not saying it compares, just saying that the new MLB rules for sliding, Bautista was in contravention of them even though it would have been fine under the old rules.