I think he is 100% a key player. The guy does everything. He played 2nd and 3rd line center most of his career, but letting him ride w/ JT for a full season would be the best thing for him and JT.

I'd try and package Strome, Hamonic, and this year's first for Taylor Hall. I think Edmonton would def consider that. Hall - JT - Nielsen would be amazing to watch.
- Dedshark

I would like some size on that line. Hall and not Eberle would be the guy I want from the Oilers. I would only give Frans a 3 year deal if he needs to be brought back.

I would like some size on that line. Hall and not Eberle would be the guy I want from the Oilers. I would only give Frans a 3 year deal if he needs to be brought back.
- ses111

I agree but at the end of the day Snow will get the #4 overall pick...

You keep saying he is inferior and that he is handicapping the team but you cant prove it

What your saying is all opinion because the facts point to the opposite

Also how is going down this road again next year a bad thing? Ia getting back to the second round bad now?

I get the point your trying to make but there are no statistcs or facts that point to him being a bad coach.

You should be happy we arw talking about this. Im a super jimx and he will probably be fired as i type this
- Flexingtheshaft

Ok here's some facts- Jack Capuano and John cooper were AHL coaches who faced each other - Cappy became an NHL coach first- Cappy teams made playoffs 3 of 4 years like Tampa - CAPPY benches his youth and hasn't developed confidence in his prospects come crunch time. COOPER developed his prospects and gave them top line minutes and they developed - CAPPY doesn't trust playing Isles Highly ranked prospects over his Retread vets and personal favorites (strait, Bailey) - TAMPA in the same time period have developed 2 goalies and made the finals while The cappy Hasn't developed any drafted goalies- THE SYSTEM/ the Structure - That Cappy preaches left him happy after losing a playoff series 4-1 - While Cooper is t happy with large parts of his teams play moving foward. NOW , it's not all on Cappy- SNOW didn't bring in much help or any playoff "players" this past season- AND that's why Snow should be fired too- TEAMS with the draft picks and cap room and Pieces in place should have progressed to CONTENDERS by now- LIKE TAMPA- TEAMS with their season on the line - shouldn't come out so flat , they look outclassed - Teams that get so much out of THEIR 4th line & waiver pick ups like Hickey SHOULD be able to develops high picks & sign free agents to make them true contenders- CAPPY HAS not - Snow has not - WHEN your team is always losing the coaching matchup before the series begins, Then you need a new coach.

I would like some size on that line. Hall and not Eberle would be the guy I want from the Oilers. I would only give Frans a 3 year deal if he needs to be brought back.
- ses111

Would have to be Hamonic+ for PC to even entertain that idea and if say you guys put together something like that for Hall you shouldnt pair him up with JT at all...the guy is a driver and if anything it would give you two big threats on two different lines

Of the sixteen po teams they were better than DET and PHA. NYR were without McDonough and Lundqvist was not playing at his previous level. Otherwise the other twelve has better d and goaltending. TM had an excellent season last year and a trip to the finals. TAM is a solid team headed to the conference finals whether NYR played FLA instead. Yes they had injuries but their goaltending a top d is better than anything NYI, NYR or FLA could have thrown at them. TAM almost swept DET in first rd Five game match and had some rust against us in the first game.

What shows for the Isles is a hurting top s pair and inability of the offense to make creative plays. After a couple of games in a series, their attack is easy to counter compared to the creative plays we saw by TAM. The need for better offense speaks volumes about our coach who is a descent teacher on d but lacking offensive strategi

That's exactly why. If anyone takes snows place it's him. If Snow doesn't fire this clown Capuano for the inability to make sensible personnel decisions at key times let alone for dozens of other things I'm perfectly ok with taking my chances with McPhee.

We need a culture change. That couldn't be more obvious from the disinterested team we watched today. How many times have we watched this team mail it in? How the (frank) do you mail it in in an elimination game? Culture has to change for this team to be a winner. Winning a round against the Panthers is not a successful season. You know these clowns are patting each other on the back right now like they accomplished something. Makes me sick that this regime has been here for a decade and they're happy winning a round against the panthers. Success!
- Cptmjl

I'm with you Cpt well said.

Probably not healthy to spend much time wondering "what if...", but does the season end differently if Halak is in goal for the playoffs?
- etchtech

Nope. Same thing. Possibly worse since Greiss was great in the first round

Of the sixteen po teams they were better than DET and PHA. NYR were without McDonough and Lundqvist was not playing at his previous level. Otherwise the other twelve has better d and goaltending. TM had an excellent season last year and a trip to the finals. TAM is a solid team headed to the conference finals whether NYR played FLA instead. Yes they had injuries but their goaltending a top d is better than anything NYI, NYR or FLA could have thrown at them. TAM almost swept DET in first rd Five game match and had some rust against us in the first game.

What shows for the Isles is a hurting top s pair and inability of the offense to make creative plays. After a couple of games in a series, their attack is easy to counter compared to the creative plays we saw by TAM. The need for better offense speaks volumes about our coach who is a descent teacher on d but lacking offensive strategi
- Fan101

If Cappy is a decent teacher on D, I think he forgot to teach our first line forwards how to play D.

Nope. Same thing. Possibly worse since Greiss was great in the first round
- JimmyP

I agree. Losing Halak was not the issue.

If Cappy is a decent teacher on D, I think he forgot to teach our first line forwards how to play D.
- JohnScammo

Cappy is not close to being a decent teacher on D. Cappy is a lousy coach. Many of our young players have not improved under Cappy. It's that simple.

Good question. Greiss was fantastic most of the season, including the first round of the playoffs. I missed today's game, but during some previous games he seemed to be wearing down a little. The guy after all is a career back up who had never played more than 20 games in a single season.
- JohnScammo

Meh, JS, Greiss wasn't the problem he did his job. It wouldn't have made a difference IMHO.

I agree. Losing Halak was not the issue.
- ses111

Lack of talent/goal scorers .....

That effort was hard to stomach in an elimination game. They need to overhaul the top 9, as far as I'm concerned the only untouchable up front is tavares. Gut the staff and make some big changes.

That effort was hard to stomach in an elimination game. They need to overhaul the top 9, as far as I'm concerned the only untouchable up front is tavares. Gut the staff and make some big changes.
- Isles_since_6

I agree 6. Management and coaches and many of these players had their chance. Time to give someone else a try.

That effort was hard to stomach in an elimination game. They need to overhaul the top 9, as far as I'm concerned the only untouchable up front is tavares. Gut the staff and make some big changes.
- Isles_since_6

Hmmm that sounds familiar .......

Of the sixteen po teams they were better than DET and PHA. NYR were without McDonough and Lundqvist was not playing at his previous level. Otherwise the other twelve has better d and goaltending. TM had an excellent season last year and a trip to the finals. TAM is a solid team headed to the conference finals whether NYR played FLA instead. Yes they had injuries but their goaltending a top d is better than anything NYI, NYR or FLA could have thrown at them. TAM almost swept DET in first rd Five game match and had some rust against us in the first game.

What shows for the Isles is a hurting top s pair and inability of the offense to make creative plays. After a couple of games in a series, their attack is easy to counter compared to the creative plays we saw by TAM. The need for better offense speaks volumes about our coach who is a descent teacher on d but lacking offensive strategi
- Fan101

Honestly, I'm not saying that this as a good thing, but out of the 16 teams, I'd say we were 11th. I'd think we were better off than Philly, Florida, Detroit, Rangers and Minnesota.

That effort was hard to stomach in an elimination game. They need to overhaul the top 9, as far as I'm concerned the only untouchable up front is tavares. Gut the staff and make some big changes.
- Isles_since_6

100 points last two years 6 with this buffoon behind the bench, the team is talented. Let's gut the staff and see what a real NHL caliber coach and management can do and I think it will be much better with the same pieces IMHO.

Meh, JS, Greiss wasn't the problem he did his job. It wouldn't have made a difference IMHO.
- nyisles7

I thought Greiss was incredible nearly the entire season. I missed today's game, so I have no opinion on the 4 goals today. I thought I remembered a couple of goals earlier in the series, however, that he would have wanted back. Regardless, and at the risk of repeating myself for emphasis, let me say that Greiss was everything you could want in a back up goalie. He played better in the regular season than did Halak. I hope he's an Islander for many more seasons.

SERIOUSLY, stop wishing for Edmontons underwhelming fowards- THE last thing this team needs is another 60 point foward who can't play Defense and never won a playoff game- WE COULD re-sign Okposo if it was that easy- Hall / Eberle / etc - Never won a big game in their lives- THERE not an improvement- JT had 69 point wingers for years- Boyes/Moulson/Pa - THEY have more playoff experience than anyone on the Oilers- NOW, if we don't believe in our prospects - SNOW’S huge Draft picks- MDC / HoSang / Barzal etc - and we won't give Okposo 6 mil a year (which I wouldn't). WHY would we want an Oiler who never scored a playoff goal- never had more points in a season than OKPOSO , and costs at least 6 mil a year? - NO I didn't give a solution, I don't want another problem- AND for Christ sakes , no more Shane Prince deals - NO more retreads- I'd look into Lucic- Andrew Ladd-- maybe trade for Rugid winger Scott Hartnall - NO more soft players or projects- and for Christ sakes- RESIGN MATTY MARTs -overpay if you have too- we can't get any softer

SERIOUSLY, stop wishing for Edmontons underwhelming fowards- THE last thing this team needs is another 60 point foward who can't play Defense and never won a playoff game- WE COULD re-sign Okposo if it was that easy- Hall / Eberle / etc - Never won a big game in their lives- THERE not an improvement- JT had 69 point wingers for years- Boyes/Moulson/Pa - THEY have more playoff experience than anyone on the Oilers- NOW, if we don't believe in our prospects - SNOW’S huge Draft picks- MDC / HoSang / Barzal etc - and we won't give Okposo 6 mil a year (which I wouldn't). WHY would we want an Oiler who never scored a playoff goal- never had more points in a season than OKPOSO , and costs at least 6 mil a year? - NO I didn't give a solution, I don't want another problem- AND for Christ sakes , no more Shane Prince deals - NO more retreads- I'd look into Lucic- Andrew Ladd-- maybe trade for Rugid winger Scott Hartnall - NO more soft players or projects- and for Christ sakes- RESIGN MATTY MARTs -overpay if you have too- we can't get any softer

SERIOUSLY, stop wishing for Edmontons underwhelming fowards- THE last thing this team needs is another 60 point foward who can't play Defense and never won a playoff game- WE COULD re-sign Okposo if it was that easy- Hall / Eberle / etc - Never won a big game in their lives- THERE not an improvement- JT had 69 point wingers for years- Boyes/Moulson/Pa - THEY have more playoff experience than anyone on the Oilers- NOW, if we don't believe in our prospects - SNOW’S huge Draft picks- MDC / HoSang / Barzal etc - and we won't give Okposo 6 mil a year (which I wouldn't). WHY would we want an Oiler who never scored a playoff goal- never had more points in a season than OKPOSO , and costs at least 6 mil a year? - NO I didn't give a solution, I don't want another problem- AND for Christ sakes , no more Shane Prince deals - NO more retreads- I'd look into Lucic- Andrew Ladd-- maybe trade for Rugid winger Scott Hartnall - NO more soft players or projects- and for Christ sakes- RESIGN MATTY MARTs -overpay if you have too- we can't get any softer

I thought Greiss was incredible nearly the entire season. I missed today's game, so I have no opinion on the 4 goals today. I thought I remembered a couple of goals earlier in the series, however, that he would have wanted back. Regardless, and at the risk of repeating myself for emphasis, let me say that Greiss was everything you could want in a back up goalie. He played better in the regular season than did Halak. I hope he's an Islander for many more seasons.
- JohnScammo

To be honest if some one who needs a goalie would give us some good pieces I would listen for offers for Halak because of how Greiss played for us this year. Before the first round the biggest question mark for the Isles was how would Greiss react to being the guy in the playoffs and he haddled it masterfully. This organization is deep in goal.

I thought Greiss was incredible nearly the entire season. I missed today's game, so I have no opinion on the 4 goals today. I thought I remembered a couple of goals earlier in the series, however, that he would have wanted back. Regardless, and at the risk of repeating myself for emphasis, let me say that Greiss was everything you could want in a back up goalie. He played better in the regular season than did Halak. I hope he's an Islander for many more seasons.
- JohnScammo

I agree. Without Greiss they probably would have missed the playoffs.

Today's goals weren't really on him. The team conceded the series before the puck dropped. You didn't miss much.

That effort was hard to stomach in an elimination game. They need to overhaul the top 9, as far as I'm concerned the only untouchable up front is tavares. Gut the staff and make some big changes.
- Isles_since_6

It's much easier to gut the staff than to overhaul 8 of your Top 9 forwards. Bailey, Grabo, Kuli, Strome, Nelson, Lee..........I'm pretty sure they all have contracts to play next season. Certainly some of those guys are tradeable, but then that just leaves you with the overpaid crappy players. I think we're more likely to see a couple of trades at most, but the core will return........unfortunately. If we're lucky, the GM (whoever that is) will sign a UFA or two. Then guys like Bailey can be sent to Bridgeport.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed? I'll take Tallon any day of the week as GM. Owners are going mad with this analytics nonsense.

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