The Iceman
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Location: Las Vegas , NV Joined: 07.21.2009
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Surprised Cappy hasn't pulled the goalie for an extra skater yet.  - David_Volek
I was honestly wondering if he was going to do that. And it wouldn't have surprised me if he did. |
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ses111
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Joined: 06.07.2008
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Sweet no-show today. Elimination game and they can't score one F**king goal? Absurd.
This is going to be an important off season. Changes need to be made up front. Aside from JT and the fourth line, all of these forwards need to be considered for replacement. There are simply too many passengers. Too many guys who don't do s**t. they need to overhaul the forwards. How to do it is going to be the trick. - Jethro09
No way I bring back KO and Frans. Going to be a very interesting offseason. Hope the new owners have control before July. |
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Fan101
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Location: United States, NY Joined: 07.08.2007
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Landsbergfan
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Location: Gävle, Sweden Joined: 07.15.2014
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Pathetic effort today. Absolutely pathetic - The Iceman
Bad luck in their 2 home games |
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JimmyP
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Location: It's probably sarcasm, NY Joined: 02.12.2011
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Before today I was thinking the Isles could win the series if they didn't blow game 3. Today changed my mind. |
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Jethro09
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Location: NJ Joined: 08.16.2007
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100 pt seasons ain't what they used to be, in this age of 'everyone gets a point'. It's about as meaningful as Brodeur beating Parent's season win record IMO.
Two seasons ago was a HUGE let down missing the playoffs and should have been Jack's end right there. We were coming off a huge showing against Pittsburgh despite Jack's boneheaded decisions like Marty Reasoner over Grabner. Pens players were all talking about how the team would be a force next season and then we missed the playoffs entirely. Then last year the team fell on their face against Washington, thanks to the 0-14 powerplay that suffered for weeks leading up to the playoffs. As for our playoff win...lets face it, Florida was a subpar team ripe for the picking.
That said, I have little doubt that Jack will survive for these very reasons and this team will underachieve next year as well due to his sub par decision making. - keaner17
I know everyone wants Cappy gone, but he is not the only issue here. Snow put together a good roster, but one with not one fu**ing forward who can score a goal when it's needed. These players laid an egg today. Plain and simple. They sucked from the first period on. They were playing for their playoff lives and looked like they were playing a throw-away game in November.
It's time to admit that maybe the coach isn't the only thing holding this team back. Maybe the players, especially the forwards outside of JT and the fourth line, need to be held accountable? Or maybe the GM, who keeps waiting for Strome, Nelson, Bailey, etc to "take the next step" which clearly isn't happening? |
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Jethro09
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Location: NJ Joined: 08.16.2007
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Legit question for Isles fans.......is it really just coaching or is it the players too? possibly both? if both then isnt Snow as much to blame as anyone? - RatedR80
It's more the players than anything else. I am not a big fan of Capuano, but he doesn't skate. He doesn't hit and he doesn't play defense. THe players do. The isles players absolutely sucked today. The forwards are completely incapable of scoring goals outside of JT. The fourth line brings energy and hitting and all that but that's it. The other lines don't bring s**t.
It's disappointing but that's what off-seasons are for. They need an overhaul up front. Time to start moving some "prospects" for some established players who can actually contribute in a playoff game. |
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ses111
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Joined: 06.07.2008
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I know everyone wants Cappy gone, but he is not the only issue here. Snow put together a good roster, but one with not one fu**ing forward who can score a goal when it's needed. These players laid an egg today. Plain and simple. They sucked from the first period on. They were playing for their playoff lives and looked like they were playing a throw-away game in November.
It's time to admit that maybe the coach isn't the only thing holding this team back. Maybe the players, especially the forwards outside of JT and the fourth line, need to be held accountable? Or maybe the GM, who keeps waiting for Strome, Nelson, Bailey, etc to "take the next step" which clearly isn't happening? - Jethro09
GM is the biggest issue. Holding on to a guy like Bailey for years and not even being able to cut a guy like Strait and holding onto a lousy coach for years. As bad as Cappy is, Garth is much worse as this is his players and coach. |
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keaner17
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Location: Prepared for the worst Joined: 07.12.2007
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I know everyone wants Cappy gone, but he is not the only issue here. Snow put together a good roster, but one with not one fu**ing forward who can score a goal when it's needed. These players laid an egg today. Plain and simple. They sucked from the first period on. They were playing for their playoff lives and looked like they were playing a throw-away game in November.
It's time to admit that maybe the coach isn't the only thing holding this team back. Maybe the players, especially the forwards outside of JT and the fourth line, need to be held accountable? Or maybe the GM, who keeps waiting for Strome, Nelson, Bailey, etc to "take the next step" which clearly isn't happening? - Jethro09
But Jethro, who is responsible for Strome, Nelson and Bailey not taking that next step? We consistently see young players like Strome, Bailey, de Haan and others regress with the big club. Who deserves that blame?
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Jethro09
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Location: NJ Joined: 08.16.2007
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Surprised Cappy hasn't pulled the goalie for an extra skater yet.  - David_Volek
There was no reason to. The garbage forwards weren't generating anything. They might as well had the forwards skate around with no sticks. They would have been just as effective. |
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ses111
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Joined: 06.07.2008
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It's more the players than anything else. I am not a big fan of Capuano, but he doesn't skate. He doesn't hit and he doesn't play defense. THe players do. The isles players absolutely sucked today. The forwards are completely incapable of scoring goals outside of JT. The fourth line brings energy and hitting and all that but that's it. The other lines don't bring s**t.
It's disappointing but that's what off-seasons are for. They need an overhaul up front. Time to start moving some "prospects" for some established players who can actually contribute in a playoff game. - Jethro09
Garth did not do his homework in the offseason and it cost the team. The top 9 was an issue and was not addressed. This is a soft team outside the 4th line and that is not going to get you far in the playoffs. |
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100 pt seasons ain't what they used to be, in this age of 'everyone gets a point'. It's about as meaningful as Brodeur beating Parent's season win record IMO.
Two seasons ago was a HUGE let down missing the playoffs and should have been Jack's end right there. We were coming off a huge showing against Pittsburgh despite Jack's boneheaded decisions like Marty Reasoner over Grabner. Pens players were all talking about how the team would be a force next season and then we missed the playoffs entirely. Then last year the team fell on their face against Washington, thanks to the 0-14 powerplay that suffered for weeks leading up to the playoffs. As for our playoff win...lets face it, Florida was a subpar team ripe for the picking.
That said, I have little doubt that Jack will survive for these very reasons and this team will underachieve next year as well due to his sub par decision making. - keaner17
Just because a few fans dont like his decisions doesnt mean hes going to get canned. We live in a results based world
Snow gave cappy a pass because he didnt do anything to help the team. That year was on snow. Nabby was done and they needed alot.of help. Next year garth gets it and the islanders have career years
At the end of the day wins are what matters. Cappy has now won a playoff round, and swept the rags in the same season. He has back to back 100 point seasons.
I dont get how it makes sense to fire him ( from snows perspective)
Do you think snow or cappy care that you dont like the line up decisions? Or who is on the powerplay?
And florida was a subpar team? In what league. They ran over the islanders all series long.
Your looking to vent i get that. Im just as mad as you are but be realistic. The coach isint going anywhere and neither is snow. I hope nelson and strome and guys who were passengers all season long will be gone.
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Jethro09
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Location: NJ Joined: 08.16.2007
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But Jethro, who is responsible for Strome, Nelson and Bailey not taking that next step? We consistently see young players like Strome, Bailey, de Haan and others regress with the big club. Who deserves that blame? - keaner17
How about the players themselves? All three of those guys have been given opportunities to be contributors and all three have disappointed, Nelson not nearly as bad as the other two dead-asses.
I know where you're going: the coaching staff doesn't get anything out of the players it has. And I think to an extent you may be right, but JT has become an all world player with this coaching staff. Hamonic had become an all star defenseman with this staff. KO was nearly a point per game player with this coaching staff. Nielsen was a solid all around player under this staff. Sometimes, it's the player who fails themselves, not the coaches failing the player. |
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It's more the players than anything else. I am not a big fan of Capuano, but he doesn't skate. He doesn't hit and he doesn't play defense. THe players do. The isles players absolutely sucked today. The forwards are completely incapable of scoring goals outside of JT. The fourth line brings energy and hitting and all that but that's it. The other lines don't bring s**t.
It's disappointing but that's what off-seasons are for. They need an overhaul up front. Time to start moving some "prospects" for some established players who can actually contribute in a playoff game. - Jethro09
I dont like cappy either but hes what we got and it is what it is ( i still wiah we got bylsma). But your 100% right. He can tell the powerplay unit shoot the puck and if they dont its on them not him
I think snow makes.a few big moves this summer
Hamonic,strome,halak and maybe even nelson will be traded
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keaner17
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Location: Prepared for the worst Joined: 07.12.2007
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Just because a few fans dont like his decisions doesnt mean hes going to get canned. We live in a results based world
Snow gave cappy a pass because he didnt do anything to help the team. That year was on snow. Nabby was done and they needed alot.of help. Next year garth gets it and the islanders have career years
At the end of the day wins are what matters. Cappy has now won a playoff round, and swept the rags in the same season. He has back to back 100 point seasons.
I dont get how it makes sense to fire him ( from snows perspective)
Do you think snow or cappy care that you dont like the line up decisions? Or who is on the powerplay?
And florida was a subpar team? In what league. They ran over the islanders all series long.
Your looking to vent i get that. Im just as mad as you are but be realistic. The coach isint going anywhere and neither is snow. I hope nelson and strome and guys who were passengers all season long will be gone. - Flexingtheshaft
I think you're missing the point. I've been saying all along that he won't get fired. The point is that he is an inferior coach. And therefore this team will never go deep with him at the helm. His decisions handicap the team. And because of this year's success he will indeed remain for next year. And therefore we will go down this road again next year. |
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keaner17
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Location: Prepared for the worst Joined: 07.12.2007
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How about the players themselves? All three of those guys have been given opportunities to be contributors and all three have disappointed, Nelson not nearly as bad as the other two dead-asses.
I know where you're going: the coaching staff doesn't get anything out of the players it has. And I think to an extent you may be right, but JT has become an all world player with this coaching staff. Hamonic had become an all star defenseman with this staff. KO was nearly a point per game player with this coaching staff. Nielsen was a solid all around player under this staff. Sometimes, it's the player who fails themselves, not the coaches failing the player. - Jethro09
The players always deserve blame for poor performances. But when those types of poor performances and the same mistakes happen repeatedly over and over season after season at some point when do you hold the coach responsible? When does someone ask why aren't these players actually getting better? Why does this team constantly blow leads in the final minutes? Why does this team show up flat in crucial games? These are patterns. Trends. It's up to you coach to recognize things that don't work and fix them |
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Fan101
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Location: United States, NY Joined: 07.08.2007
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Really no mystery here. Tampa is a bigger, more skilled and dominating team. Similar worry they had for FLA but that was a less experienced team and early round.
Just like the regular season, play well for a couple of weeks and then lull out. |
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RonPielep
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Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer Joined: 08.21.2014
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Just because a few fans dont like his decisions doesnt mean hes going to get canned. We live in a results based world
Snow gave cappy a pass because he didnt do anything to help the team. That year was on snow. Nabby was done and they needed alot.of help. Next year garth gets it and the islanders have career years
At the end of the day wins are what matters. Cappy has now won a playoff round, and swept the rags in the same season. He has back to back 100 point seasons.
I dont get how it makes sense to fire him ( from snows perspective)
Do you think snow or cappy care that you dont like the line up decisions? Or who is on the powerplay?
And florida was a subpar team? In what league. They ran over the islanders all series long.
Your looking to vent i get that. Im just as mad as you are but be realistic. The coach isint going anywhere and neither is snow. I hope nelson and strome and guys who were passengers all season long will be gone. - Flexingtheshaft
Nelson and Strome for Yakupov |
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I think you're missing the point. I've been saying all along that he won't get fired. The point is that he is an inferior coach. And therefore this team will never go deep with him at the helm. His decisions handicap the team. And because of this year's success he will indeed remain for next year. And therefore we will go down this road again next year. - keaner17
You keep saying he is inferior and that he is handicapping the team but you cant prove it
What your saying is all opinion because the facts point to the opposite
Also how is going down this road again next year a bad thing? Ia getting back to the second round bad now?
I get the point your trying to make but there are no statistcs or facts that point to him being a bad coach.
You should be happy we arw talking about this. Im a super jimx and he will probably be fired as i type this |
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Nelson and Strome for Yakupov - RonPielep
Yak and nug and we take full salary |
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Cptmjl
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Joined: 11.05.2011
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How about the players themselves? All three of those guys have been given opportunities to be contributors and all three have disappointed, Nelson not nearly as bad as the other two dead-asses.
I know where you're going: the coaching staff doesn't get anything out of the players it has. And I think to an extent you may be right, but JT has become an all world player with this coaching staff. Hamonic had become an all star defenseman with this staff. KO was nearly a point per game player with this coaching staff. Nielsen was a solid all around player under this staff. Sometimes, it's the player who fails themselves, not the coaches failing the player. - Jethro09
Nelson has been disgusting since the playoffs have started. Zero effort every shift. |
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Cptmjl
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You keep saying he is inferior and that he is handicapping the team but you cant prove it
What your saying is all opinion because the facts point to the opposite
Also how is going down this road again next year a bad thing? Ia getting back to the second round bad now?
I get the point your trying to make but there are no statistcs or facts that point to him being a bad coach.
You should be happy we arw talking about this. Im a super jimx and he will probably be fired as i type this - Flexingtheshaft
You need stats to figure out Capuano is a bad coach? |
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You need stats to figure out Capuano is a bad coach?  - Cptmjl
I was waiting for you to show up cpt! Welcome to the party |
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jmo16
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Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only! Joined: 02.26.2011
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The players always deserve blame poor performances. But when those types of poor performances and the same mistakes happen repeatedly over and over season after season at some point when do you hold the coach responsible? When does someone ask why aren't these players actually getting better? Why does this team constantly blow leads in the final minutes? Why does this team show up flat in crucial games? These are patterns. Trends. It's up to you coach to recognize things that don't work and fix them - keaner17
Cappy eluded to bringing up Pelech or Pulock from Bridgeport as "Garth's decision."
I thoroughly suspect Garth has a say in all the players, the systems and the special teams employed. Whether influenced by Doug Weight or not, history has repeated itself more than once where this team is out-played, out-manned & out-coached. Garth's call to put the personnel & coaches out there. Ultimately, it's his fault. Maybe strong-arming your RFA players during contract negs has backfired? Maybe continually signing scrubs to play important roles has been exposed—in addition to carrying dead weight players? Maybe holding grudges with other GMs and crying at the draft has made him someone no one wants to deal with?
9 years into the rebuild and this is the net result? We won the Florida series by luck—and losing 4 in a row to TB really shows how we didn't deserve to ever make it that far.
If my half-a-billion dollars was on the line, I'd be willing to try things a bit different. This team has only Boychuck & Leddy signed beyond 2017-18(assuming they trade hamonic) which is JT's UFA year. There's no more time to d!ck around and say, "we'll be better next year." After this performance, the new owners have to come in with fresh faces, ideas & attitudes if they expect things to really change. |
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keaner17
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Location: Prepared for the worst Joined: 07.12.2007
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You keep saying he is inferior and that he is handicapping the team but you cant prove it
What your saying is all opinion because the facts point to the opposite
Also how is going down this road again next year a bad thing? Ia getting back to the second round bad now?
I get the point your trying to make but there are no statistcs or facts that point to him being a bad coach.
You should be happy we arw talking about this. Im a super jimx and he will probably be fired as i type this - Flexingtheshaft
 Really? So when Cappy doubleshifts JT and hangs him out for a crucial defensive zone face off to protect one goal lead with a minute left and suddenly they get scored on...and people all over are asking why the worst defensive line on the team is out there in that situation, you felt that was sound judgement?
These type of decisions are made regularly. We've seen it since day one with him. He's awful with lineup decisions/matchups.
It's like arguing analytics int hat case. Analytics tell you Josh Bailey is a way above average forward due to possession time etc...but the eye test tells us the kid flat out sucks. He plays without passion.
With this team, they constantly end periods and begin periods without life. The team fails to take advantage of home ice matchups. Kids like Bailey are never scratched despite massive mistakes or poor performances. After several years of it, we've seen enough of him.
I know he isn't going anywhere. I was the first today to come on and say I had little doubt in my mind he'd be back, but I know damn well the guy SUCKS as a coach. wait around long enough here and you'll see most line up to agree that Capuano's staying is bad for this team.
As for 'going down this road' being bad...that means that if this team is capable of an 8, they'll always be a 6 with Jack. Does anyone here honestly believe he's capable of winning a cup? Really? |
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