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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 6 @ 2:42 PM ET
Thanks Obama!
- johndewar


lol
Best possible retort to that comment.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 6 @ 2:44 PM ET
That I don't know.

What if somehow they got Vesey? I wouldn't mind that.

I am still one who hopes they get Stamkos. Not at 11-12 million. But I can do 10 and below.

- J35Bacher


They aren't getting Stamkos. When is the last time the Flyers landed the top FA on the market?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 6 @ 2:44 PM ET
So, I might be super leight to this, but I noticed that the Team Canada roster features no Flyers from Philadelphia:

http://thehockeywriters.c...s-captain-of-team-canada/

Did Hexy release a list of injured players yet? Not saying I want to see any Flyers play in the Worlds, but I'm curious as to the medical statuses of Simmonds, Giroux, and Schenn....any or all of whom could have made this team.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 6 @ 2:46 PM ET
They aren't getting Stamkos. When is the last time the Flyers landed the top FA on the market?
- PLindbergh31



Daniel Briere was pretty sough after when the Flyers got him. Wasn't it Briere and Drury.



BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 6 @ 2:48 PM ET
According to the "studies" of what constitutes an alcoholic almost everybody below the age of 30 is one.
- EducatedOpinion

maybe it's just seeing too much delco, but that sounds about right
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 6 @ 2:48 PM ET
Daniel Briere was pretty sough after when the Flyers got him. Wasn't it Briere and Drury.
- J35Bacher

It was Briere, Drury, and Gomez...

I think we made out on that one.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 6 @ 2:49 PM ET
maybe it's just seeing too much delco, but that sounds about right
- BulliesPhan87

WELLLLL EXCUSSEEE ME Mr. Mainline.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 6 @ 2:50 PM ET
It was Briere, Drury, and Gomez...

I think we made out on that one.

- jak521



I thought there was a 3rd but couldn't remember.

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 6 @ 2:55 PM ET
WELLLLL EXCUSSEEE ME Mr. Mainline.
- jak521

There is no excuse for you, peasant
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 6 @ 2:58 PM ET
If Hakstol in unable to bring former UND players to the Flyers, why did we even hire him?



"Dave. You will always have me."
"I know, Chris...I know."

Hands touch, eyes meet.

End scene.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 6 @ 2:58 PM ET
DUI's are so dumb.

Either allow it or dont. Dont set a limit to it. A limit nobody really knows if they are at, under, or over. You can either drink or drive. Not both.

- jak521



This.
Zero tolerance for those who choose both.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

May 6 @ 2:59 PM ET
If Hakstol in unable to bring former UND players to the Flyers, why did we even hire him?



"Dave. You will always have me."
"I know, Chris...I know."

Hands touch, eyes meet.

End scene.

- Mononoke


I cried a little. Not ashamed.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 6 @ 2:59 PM ET
I hate when anyone uses nicknames. Especially the media. SOunds bush league when you watch CSN and you hear "simmer", "G", "Schenner", "Mase".
- J35Bacher


Aww, they're just relatin' to the peeps, man.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 6 @ 3:01 PM ET
They aren't getting Stamkos. When is the last time the Flyers landed the top FA on the market?
- PLindbergh31


Vinny and Streit
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 6 @ 3:02 PM ET
Aww, they're just relatin' to the peeps, man.
- Scoob



I never hear them go all chummy for Baseball or Football players.

it's little but it bothers me so much.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 6 @ 3:02 PM ET
This.
Zero tolerance for those who choose both.

- Scoob


Agreed, I was one of those families who had his house run into by a drunken idiot. I have zero tolerance for anyone who puts the key in the ignition at any point. Drink something other then alcohol if you want to use the keys.


PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 6 @ 3:04 PM ET
Vinny and Streit
- PhillySportsGuy


Oh yeah. How could I forget about that coup pulled off by Homey Da clown.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 6 @ 3:04 PM ET
Vinny and Streit
- PhillySportsGuy


Ray Emery. This season.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 6 @ 3:09 PM ET
There seemed to be a bit of a disconnect for benchings with Berube. VL certainly didn't like him. With Hak, the guys who were scratched never seemed angry or confused. That's a minor thing though.

Berube just wasn't a very good coach IMO. The scratching of MDZ, their best defenseman, for 9 games was absurd. The usage of Couturier WHILE forcing him to play with Umberger and still asking for scoring was pretty unfair. His handling of Mason - both from a usage and personal standpoint - was also a bit unnerving. Mason was legitimately one of the 5 best goalies in the league, yet Berube never wanted to compliment him. We still don't know the whole story about Jeff Reese either.

Everyone likes to point out that Akeson hasn't done anything since he left, but were Rinaldo, VL and Umberger really better options? Would Berube have given Ghost the same level of freedom Hak has? I highly doubt it.

I'm sure Berube is a nice guy and and a fine coach, but he was underwhelming with the Flyers.

Never was a fan of his stagnant, conservative system either.

- PhillySportsGuy


There were guys not playing who were pretty unhappy with Hakstol when team wasn't winning, just as with Chief. A couple talked OTR. That is normal, though. Happens on every team and with every coach. When team is winning, the guys not playing clam up.

Reese thing had nothing directly to do with Berube. The DN report was bad info.

System was a bit plain vanilla but that's OK.

Umberger wasn't on Couturier line to score per se. Was there to forecheck and play two-way game. He was limited physically last season. This year, was healthy but still couldn't score.

MDZ deserved to be scratched. Not necessarily for 9 games but it ended up being best thing that happened to him. Got serious about remaking his game after that.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 6 @ 3:10 PM ET
Daniel Briere was pretty sough after when the Flyers got him. Wasn't it Briere and Drury.
- J35Bacher


Briere, Drury and Gomez.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 6 @ 3:15 PM ET
I never hear them go all chummy for Baseball or Football players.

it's little but it bothers me so much.

- J35Bacher


Same
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 6 @ 3:18 PM ET
Same
- Scoob



I can't even bring myself to use nicknames on here like others do.

Just feels weird and out of the norm.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 6 @ 3:19 PM ET


MDZ deserved to be scratched. Not necessarily for 9 games but it ended up being best thing that happened to him. Got serious about remaking his game after that.

- bmeltzer


Mind boggling to me how some can't see how important that was for Del Zotto, and how Berube helped him to become a better player. Del Zotto deserves the ultimate credit, but Berube forcibly pointed him in the right direction.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 6 @ 3:20 PM ET
Mind boggling to me how some can't see how important that was for Del Zotto, and how Berube helped him to become a better player. Del Zotto deserves the ultimate credit, but Berube forcibly pointed him in the right direction.
- MJL



After that he turned into a defender that was trusted.

And this year even more he seemed to become an all situation defender. He could play himself into being a solid vet moving forward with the promising young defense core.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 6 @ 3:31 PM ET
There were guys not playing who were pretty unhappy with Hakstol when team wasn't winning, just as with Chief. A couple talked OTR. That is normal, though. Happens on every team and with every coach. When team is winning, the guys not playing clam up.

Reese thing had nothing directly to do with Berube. The DN report was bad info.

System was a bit plain vanilla but that's OK.

Umberger wasn't on Couturier line to score per se. Was there to forecheck and play two-way game. He was limited physically last season. This year, was healthy but still couldn't score.

MDZ deserved to be scratched. Not necessarily for 9 games but it ended up being best thing that happened to him. Got serious about remaking his game after that.

- bmeltzer


I disagree a bit with Del Zotto. I thought he played well early on and was pretty unlucky. I just find it hard to believe that a 9 game scratching was the cause of a turnaround. The guy was traded from the Rangers, benched in Nashville, wasn't qualified and signed at a 7th defenseman rate, but it was a 9 game benching in December that changed him? I think it was more that pucks began going in the net and his PDO regressed to the mean.

My gripes regarding Couturier were more about chief giving him weaker linemates and putting him in difficult situations. I think it hurt the team and and stagnated his development.

I know a lot of people give Berube credit for the playoff run and turnaround after Lavi was fired, but what they were doing was unsustainable. They had a top 5 power play, top 5 penalty kill and great goaltending. It's hard to miss the playoffs with those kinds of numbers unless you're woeful at even strength.
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