Yes. Minnesota does have that depth, but Hamonic didn't request a trade to western USA. Winnipeg is most likely his top request. They aren't giving up a lot for a guy requesting a trade to them. That's a pipe dream.

Unless Okposo gets signed I see a need for a winger on the Island next year. Plus, I think it's the most they get for Hamonic, who I think is great btw.
- Matt_Henderson

That's also without mentioning their abundance of top-4 RHD options, either. They'd be looking for a LHD if anything.

yes... i am not saying go out and give away players.... i just mean.... go out and make a trade happen..... for lack of a better example the kessel deal.... ( i know contract was a factor) but that idea..... just get the ball moving.
- derm10

As I mentioned, I see validity in your point, but I think it's a touch early in the offseason to be mentioning it. If mid-July rolls around and there's still no movement, then that line of thinking can come into play, but until we ought to give Chiarelli the benefit of the doubt.

Desperation can certainly be factored in, but at the end of the day, if you're an opposition GM, are you really going to lose out on acquiring a guy like Hall or Eberle (assuming they're a need for your team as well) by playing super hardball just because the other team is 'desperate'? That wouldn't make any sense if your goal is to also improve your team.
- MaximumBone

in some eyes any trade that hall is involved the oilers lose...... trading hall would show that the oilers mean business.. and get the ball rolling.

As I mentioned, I see validity in your point, but I think it's a touch early in the offseason to be mentioning it. If mid-July rolls around and there's still no movement, then that line of thinking can come into play, but until we ought to give Chiarelli the benefit of the doubt.
- MaximumBone

Another good point...for all we know maybe PC does really have plans in place already but cant move on them till July...this SHOULD be a busy summer for him

in some eyes any trade that hall is involved the oilers lose...... trading hall would show that the oilers mean business.. and get the ball rolling.
- derm10

Not many are against the idea of moving Hall but we do want more then a bag of pucks coming back...yes losing him would hurt because he is the driver on his line with Drai but it could also help with filling other needs...just depends on the trade really

in some eyes any trade that hall is involved the oilers lose...... trading hall would show that the oilers mean business.. and get the ball rolling.
- derm10

I think trading any of those three would show they mean business. None of them would be moved unless for a Dman. I think Hall would actually set a weaker precedent of moving the one player who- unlike Eberle and Nuge to a lesser extent- has always cared and always given his all despite the constant failure around him.

As I mentioned, I see validity in your point, but I think it's a touch early in the offseason to be mentioning it. If mid-July rolls around and there's still no movement, then that line of thinking can come into play, but until we ought to give Chiarelli the benefit of the doubt.
- MaximumBone

just my opinion on what it's going to take to get the ball moving.
another avenue i see worth while is trading say one player for multiple pieces.... not with top level talent.
i.e. yaks for a prospect and pick. or project player and pick.

just my opinion on what it's going to take to get the ball moving.
another avenue i see worth while is trading say one player for multiple pieces.... not with top level talent.
i.e. yaks for a prospect and pick. or project player and pick.
- derm10

Yak is barely worth anything. In fact, I'd be happy to see either a Brett Connolly-like return (2 2nds) or any legit NHL player (Eller, Wingels, etc). I can agree on the package as I believe a lot of people undervalue the type of depth a package could bring in. That being said, I think only Hall brings back a quality top-4 Dman as well as a substantial NHLer or two.

I think trading any of those three would show they mean business. None of them would be moved unless for a Dman. I think Hall would actually set a weaker precedent of moving the one player who- unlike Eberle and Nuge to a lesser extent- has always cared and always given his all despite the constant failure around him.
- MaximumBone

oh yes... one of them will be moved.

Yak is barely worth anything. In fact, I'd be happy to see either a Brett Connolly-like return (2 2nds) or any legit NHL player (Eller, Wingels, etc). I can agree on the package as I believe a lot of people undervalue the type of depth a package could bring in. That being said, I think only Hall brings back a quality top-4 Dman as well as a substantial NHLer or two.
- MaximumBone

i expect more then just a trade for defence..... maybe a bit of a shuffle upfront..... nothin major.

i expect more then just a trade for defence..... maybe a bit of a shuffle upfront..... nothin major.
- derm10

Best case get some help on the blueline and add some size/depth with the forwards

i expect more then just a trade for defence..... maybe a bit of a shuffle upfront..... nothin major.
- derm10

Andrew Shaw, Berglund/Brouwer, and a "ready now" prospect like Griffith or Jurco and while only losing one of those three and Yakupov would supply the "culture change" I'd be looking for.

Andrew Shaw, Patrick Berglund, and a "ready now" prospect like Griffith or Jurco and while only losing one of those three and Yakupov.
- MaximumBone

what do u think leon signs for next summer?

what do u think leon signs for next summer?
- derm10

Can't see more than the $6mil everyone else has gotten. Chiarelli is likely a tougher negotiator than the previous two so something like $5mil for 5-7 years would seem realistic. That's barring an absolute monster of a season from Leon, though.

Can't see more than the $6mil everyone else has gotten. Chiarelli is likely a tougher negotiator than the previous two so something like $5mil for 5-7 years would seem realistic. That's barring an absolute monster of a season from Leon, though.
- MaximumBone

my concern with keeping 2 of nuge hall and ebs is that when u add on the 5 mil for leon and say 8 mil for mcdavid (wishful thinking) that is 25 mil in 4 forawrds.... not to mention the raises mcdavid will earn for anyone else he plays with.

my concern with keeping 2 of nuge hall and ebs is that when u add on the 5 mil for leon and say 8 mil for mcdavid (wishful thinking) that is 25 mil in 4 forawrds.... not to mention the raises mcdavid will earn for anyone else he plays with.
- derm10

Perhaps if Drai is for real and only gets better then it becomes easier for the Oilers to move say Nuge which would be a 6 mil guy right there...this team wont be in any trouble going into next year at least

Perhaps if Drai is for real and only gets better then it becomes easier for the Oilers to move say Nuge which would be a 6 mil guy right there...this team wont be in any trouble going into next year at least
- RatedR80

not worried about next year.... but in the final year of hall contract... they will have everyone signed to second contract including davidson and nurse.... just things to keep in mind... but yea.. always have the option to trade nuge at a later date.
edit: ebs contract would be done if he stays.

my concern with keeping 2 of nuge hall and ebs is that when u add on the 5 mil for leon and say 8 mil for mcdavid (wishful thinking) that is 25 mil in 4 forawrds.... not to mention the raises mcdavid will earn for anyone else he plays with.
- derm10

Therein lies the rub. If McDavid can do that, why overpay guys when you can just bring in another set of lower-cost offensive guys. It'll also help that the GM at the time will have that as a negotiating tactic.

Hall (6)- Draisaitl (6)- Fill-in (3)
Dubois (ELC)- McDavid (9)- Eberle (6)
Fill-in (3)- Shaw (3.5)- Prospect (1)
4th line of $1.5 mil or less each
$43.5ish million

Klefbom (4.1)- Hamonic (3.8)
Nurse (4)- Sekera/Other RHD (5.5)
Davidson (2)- Fill-in (1)
$20.5ish million

Talbot (4-5)
Backup (1)
$6ish million

That's 70.5 mil banking on the higher end of most players' contracts. I don't see cap being a huge problem personally. If anyone really blows those expectations out of the water, then we'll be in a great place and be able to move them for picks to restock the cupboard.

not worried about next year.... but in the final year of hall contract... they will have everyone signed to second contract including davidson and nurse.... just things to keep in mind... but yea.. always have the option to trade nuge at a later date.
edit: ebs contract would be done if he stays.
- derm10

If we are talking years down the road then who really knows....so many different factors to consider...perhaps at that point maybe we will finally be able to win some games and have some depth in the minors to help ease potential losses

Therein lies the rub. If McDavid can do that, why overpay guys when you can just bring in another set of lower-cost offensive guys. It'll also help that the GM at the time will have that as a negotiating tactic.

Hall (6)- Draisaitl (6)- Fill-in (3)
Dubois (ELC)- McDavid (9)- Eberle (6)
Fill-in (3)- Shaw (3.5)- Prospect (1)
4th line of $1.5 mil or less each
$43.5ish million

Klefbom (4.1)- Hamonic (3.8)
Nurse (4)- Sekera/Other RHD (5.5)
Davidson (2)- Fill-in (1)
$20.5ish million

Talbot (4-5)
Backup (1)
$6ish million

That's 70.5 mil banking on the higher end of most players' contracts. I don't see cap being a huge problem personally. If anyone really blows those expectations out of the water, then we'll be in a great place and be able to move them for picks to restock the cupboard.
- MaximumBone

they may be ok.... but i would be tempted to move on from a couple of the 6 mil contracts... moving nuge and ebs would set the 6 mil. bar at a higher lvl with hall.

they may be ok.... but i would be tempted to move on from a couple of the 6 mil contracts... moving nuge and ebs would set the 6 mil. bar at a higher lvl with hall.
- derm10

Could be needed down the road, but at that point they'd have to have an offensive prospect capable of stepping in and replacing him. Like Dubois.

If we are talking years down the road then who really knows....so many different factors to consider...perhaps at that point maybe we will finally be able to win some games and have some depth in the minors to help ease potential losses
- RatedR80

year down the line is something a nhl gm should always to considering.....lots of what ifs.

they may be ok.... but i would be tempted to move on from a couple of the 6 mil contracts... moving nuge and ebs would set the 6 mil. bar at a higher lvl with hall.
- derm10

It will also help that we will be getting rid of some ugly contracts in the next couple of years which opens up space

year down the line is something a nhl gm should always to considering.....lots of what ifs.
- derm10

Right and you said the end of Halls contract which is 4 years down the road and as it stands right now we have a total of 4 guys signed through that point....just hard to say who will actually still be here in 4 years and at what exact cost

Right and you said the end of Halls contract which is 4 years down the road and as it stands right now we have a total of 4 guys signed through that point....just hard to say who will actually still be here in 4 years and at what exact cost
- RatedR80

would think leon mcdavid and nurse would all be resigned
i guess i'm more of a pull the band aid off fast kinda guy.....