Randy Carlyle???
- fifty__missions

people outside of calgary (and some in calgary too) need to get heads around the fact Burke is not the GM, treliving is

Treliving: "Today's decision wasn't based upon anybody sitting in the on-deck circle. Today is about Bob." #Flames

— Chris Nichols (@NicholsOnHockey) May 3, 2016

Sounds like they are in no rush and wont be pouncing on Bruce just bc hes available
- DDM-Coga

mckenzie implying they might go for a 1st time coach

while i personally think BB is the best candidate by a country mile and should be their first choice, i might respect treliving even more if he was really telling the truth and this had nothing to do with Boudreau

Why are all you Calgary fans so ga ga over Boudreau?? He has won absolutely nothing, and it has been said time and time again how he gets outcoached when the chips are on the line?? As in the playoffs? See 1st round 2016. See 3rd round 2015...etc. etc.!

I like BB, and I liked BH. I think with the right team, either could win a cup next year. But I don't they they are right for Calgary right now.
BB has a short shelf life same as Hartley, and I suspect by the time this team is ready to contend, he will have expired. I would say the same thing about Carlyle.

There really isn't many coaches in the NHL that I covet right now. I really hope the don't recycle a coach, and hope they think a little outside the box. I loved Philly going for Haksol last year. I think an up and comer in the NCAA might be a good fit. NCAA is so much about preparation (think football), compared to the A, the Dub, the O, and the Q. Because NCAA coaches have so much time, to prep they can really concentrate on bigger picture systems, rather than fixate on improving on little things. Both are needed, but I think the lack of this thinking was one of Hartley's weak spots.

edit: that hartley/wilson/franklin spoof was priceless. If you start reading this thread here, go back and read it from first page.

I like BB, and I liked BH. I think with the right team, either could win a cup next year. But I don't they they are right for Calgary right now.
BB has a short shelf life same as Hartley, and I suspect by the time this team is ready to contend, he will have expired. I would say the same thing about Carlyle.

There really isn't many coaches in the NHL that I covet right now. I really hope the don't recycle a coach, and hope they think a little outside the box. I loved Philly going for Haksol last year. I think an up and comer in the NCAA might be a good fit. NCAA is so much about preparation (think football), compared to the A, the Dub, the O, and the Q. Because NCAA coaches have so much time, to prep they can really concentrate on bigger picture systems, rather than fixate on improving on little things. Both are needed, but I think the lack of this thinking was one of Hartley's weak spots.

edit: that hartley/wilson/franklin spoof was priceless. If you start reading this thread here, go back and read it from first page.
- snowsquirrel

yup. i'd prefer boudreau but my gut feel right now is it's not gonna happen, but i trust BT to make a good call.

if anyone is still wondering why this happened, apparently Hartley got absolutely slaughtered by players in the exit interviews (not at all surprised at this). with that in mind, it became even more of a half measure to just keep him on a short leash for next year

The pleasure of dealing with blowhard Burke is attractive I'm sure.
- Iggysbff

How much involvement do you think he has since he's not the GM.

How much involvement do you think he has since he's not the GM.
- zazzle

he's a voice in the room, that's all. it's pretty clearly been BT's team since he was hired (aside from Engelland signing which seemed very Burke).

BT was a very highly sought after GM candidate, he wouldn't have taken the job if he were just the co-GM. additionally, if Burke and/or the ownership wanted Burke to be the GM he would be the GM.

i'm convinced like 75% of people outside of calgary and maybe 20% in calgary don't realize this fact

Its weird that they let go of Hartley and Cloutier, yet Gelinas stays (for now). Are they thinking about promoting him? That would be a train wreck.

If they are talking about change in direction, they axe everyone or just the HC and let the new coach decide what to do with the associate coaches.

Its weird that they went down the middle with that move.
- DDM-Coga

Apparently Hartley and Cloutier are a package type deal, they move around together...

Gelinas will probably have his fate determined by the new coach, whoever that might be.

Game six series win in Anaheim?

2 birds stoned
- flashfire

Yep most likely. Ducks made a mistake letting Boudreau go.

How much involvement do you think he has since he's not the GM.
- zazzle

I was against hiring Burke, but I really like the dynamic they have right now. I do think this is the BT show, and he leverages Burke for his opinion. I think Burke does a good job sheltering BT from BS that isn't GM related, and in his gruff way hold people accountable, and doesn't let people waffle. KK is a great guy, but think BB does a better job of holding peoples feet to the fire. Only time will tell, but I think this is a pretty good dynamic they have right now.

All of the above is my uninformed opinion as an outsider looking in.

How much involvement do you think he has since he's not the GM.
- zazzle

No he's not the GM. Hes the GMs boss

Anyone that doesn't think he has a big say in things doesn't pay attention. He was at the lotto. You see him very involved at the draft. And so on.

yup. i'd prefer boudreau but my gut feel right now is it's not gonna happen, but i trust BT to make a good call.

if anyone is still wondering why this happened, apparently Hartley got absolutely slaughtered by players in the exit interviews (not at all surprised at this). with that in mind, it became even more of a half measure to just keep him on a short leash for next year
- S Kaspar Rollins

Source?

No he's not the GM. Hes the GMs boss

Anyone that doesn't think he has a big say in things doesn't pay attention. He was at the lotto. You see him very involved at the draft. And so on.
- Iggysbff

i personally theorize (though this is pure speculation) that burke was lobbying to keep hartley, partly explaining why it took 3 weeks

anyway, the things you cited prove nothing about his influence on the team. again, if they wanted him as the GM he would be the GM

Source?
- DuranDuran

Hartley has a reputation of being a grinder. He wears on players and it’s safe to say he got buried by his players in Calgary during exit interviews with GM Brad Treliving. They grew tired of Hartley and blamed their poor season on him.
Treliving, who inherited Hartley from the previous regime, must have already had concerns with his coach. There likely was a difference in philosophy. The coach was already on the ledge; his players just pushed him off.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-on-for-boudreau-1.482906

john shannon also pointed to this on hockeycentral, according to someone on twitter

i personally theorize (though this is pure speculation) that burke was lobbying to keep hartley, partly explaining why it took 3 weeks

anyway, the things you cited prove nothing about his influence on the team. again, if they wanted him as the GM he would be the GM
- S Kaspar Rollins

Im not saying he is pulling the strings. People always accused Lowe of that and some still do.

Burke has a big say in things, but in the end BT makes the call.

Hartley has a reputation of being a grinder. He wears on players and it’s safe to say he got buried by his players in Calgary during exit interviews with GM Brad Treliving. They grew tired of Hartley and blamed their poor season on him.
Treliving, who inherited Hartley from the previous regime, must have already had concerns with his coach. There likely was a difference in philosophy. The coach was already on the ledge; his players just pushed him off.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-on-for-boudreau-1.482906

john shannon also pointed to this on hockeycentral, according to someone on twitter
- S Kaspar Rollins

I agree that it was the exit interviews that ended it for Hartley.

According to my sources, a couple of the top players on the team said they didn't want to come back to the Flames if BH was still the coach.

I agree that it was the exit interviews that ended it for Hartley.

According to my sources, a couple of the top players on the team said they didn't want to come back to the Flames if BH was still the coach.
- zipfel

Your sources? right Ek.

I agree that it was the exit interviews that ended it for Hartley.

According to my sources, a couple of the top players on the team said they didn't want to come back to the Flames if BH was still the coach.
- zipfel

hi Eric Francis



(he's spreading the rumor Monahan hated him, which might very well be true but i don't trust francis' motives in pinning it on him)

Hartley has a reputation of being a grinder. He wears on players and it’s safe to say he got buried by his players in Calgary during exit interviews with GM Brad Treliving. They grew tired of Hartley and blamed their poor season on him.
Treliving, who inherited Hartley from the previous regime, must have already had concerns with his coach. There likely was a difference in philosophy. The coach was already on the ledge; his players just pushed him off.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-on-for-boudreau-1.482906

john shannon also pointed to this on hockeycentral, according to someone on twitter
- S Kaspar Rollins

Cheers!

remember when everyone called me an idiot for wanting Hartley fired, bet all you losers hate treliving now huh?

Im not saying he is pulling the strings. People always accused Lowe of that and some still do.

Burke has a big say in things, but in the end BT makes the call.
- Iggysbff

i just think aside from Engelland (which may well have been BT too - his old team arizona was also bidding) there haven't been any major decisions that have really seemed like burke, or at least burke's bad tendencies

now, if they hire carlyle ( ) i will change my mind on this topic

remember when everyone called me an idiot for wanting Hartley fired, bet all you losers hate treliving now huh?
- Bigern4MVP

i dont go on here anywhere near as often as i used to - only when there's a notable event or when im really bored and want an easy troll - but it doesn't surprise me that anti-hartley was a minority opinion on here

remember when everyone called me an idiot for wanting Hartley fired, bet all you losers hate treliving now huh?
- Bigern4MVP

Yeah I do remember lol

people outside of calgary (and some in calgary too) need to get heads around the fact Burke is not the GM, treliving is
- S Kaspar Rollins

Pretty hard to get your head around it when that blow hard talks like he's the GM.


I feel bad for Treliving because he's pretty much Burke's errand boy. He makes Trevliving do the dirty work while Burke steals the spotlight (draft lottery, trade deadline and endless interviews where he wears his tie like a total douche).

Pretty hard to get your head around it when that blow hard talks like he's the GM.


I feel bad for Treliving because he's pretty much Burke's errand boy. He makes Trevliving do the dirty work while Burke steals the spotlight (draft lottery, trade deadline and endless interviews where he wears his tie like a total douche).
- LittleRickyV2

again, if burke and or the team wanted him to be the GM he would be, this is objectively incorrect

many of the team reps at the lottery weren't the actual GMs anyway