I don't have sources offhand, but it was all discussed around the Luongo trade, the fact Canucks have like 8m hanging over their head.
- Antilles

they do.

but if lu (although unlikely), plays his contract out, there is no penalty.

and there's the answer.

the $19M penalty will decrease every year hossa plays, regardless of where. Chicago will be the only team penalized if he retires early, but only to the extent of the penalty on the years he does not play.

I love Crawford, trust me. I hate the idea of trying to trade him, so how do we avoid it? So, what if we sign Shaw to the same kind of contract as Kruger. 2.3 million dollars for a year. Let's package TT and Andrew Desjardin to get someone to take TT and to add some cheap veteran depth. We bury Bryan Bickell with the understanding that we use his money to sign Panarin next year. We get hit with Panarin's bonus, which sucks. We convince Soupy to come back to us for cheap and we all have the understanding that next year Hossa is going to go down and be on injury reserve.

I mean, realistically, isn't this year Hossa's last year? That back isn't going to hold out much longer.

I think you misunderstood me. A new backup plus a new deal for Darling brings you back to $6MM.
- Return of the Roar

Not even close. 4M tops. As mentioned above Darling gets may 2.5M and your backup 1.5M.

Montreal - Price
Ottawa - nowhere near to the cup finals
Calgary - nowhere near the cup finals
Winnipeg - nowhere near cup finals
Vancouver - nowhere near the cup finals
Edmonton - Just signed Talbot to an extension AND nowhere near a cup finals
Toronto - nowhere near cup finals
- ChicagoDave

question is - how many of those teams does crawford veto a trade to?

We're all spoiled as fans, its that simple.

Anyone who is upset with this team, what they've done, where they're headed, etc, you can go find yourself another team for all i care. You'll never be satisfied if you aren't now. The problem isn't the team, its you.

Not even close. 4M tops. As mentioned above Darling gets may 2.5M and your backup 1.5M.
- tyweb69

Darling is a UFA in 2017-18. Gonna get a lot more than that sir.

that's great....did you just get our postcards from 2010? or 2013?....perhaps the ones we sent in 2015?
- ChicagoDave

Did you even read what I was responding to?

Did you even read what I was responding to?
- Antilles

assumed you were ribbing us for still being in the playoffs....my apologies

they do.

but if lu (although unlikely), plays his contract out, there is no penalty.

and there's the answer.

the $19M penalty will decrease every year hossa plays, regardless of where. Chicago will be the only team penalized if he retires early, but only to the extent of the penalty on the years he does not play.
- Tumbleweed

No, because if Luongo retires with one year left, Canucks get the full 8m penalty that year. It doesn't go down as he plays, because he isn't playing for them.

https://twitter.com/mirtl...status/440982011251945472

What about Crow to Florida? Lou is close to the end. The two could split time and when Lou retires, Crow will take over full time.

assumed you were ribbing us for still being in the playoffs....my apologies
- ChicagoDave

What, a fan from another team troll on hockeybuzz? Inconceivable!

lol, totally understand, no worries.

Darling is a UFA in 2017-18. Gonna get a lot more than that sir.
- Return of the Roar

Darling is a UFA after next season, not the following. So if, IF the Hawks trade Crawford this summer and start negotiating with Darling in July he gets 3 years 2.5 per, 3.0 MAX. He has done nothing to prove he deserves more…yet. Now I agree with you that if he was up the following season and had one full year as the #1 and killed it, he could demand more for sure. But that isn’t the case.

Darling is a UFA after next season, not the following. So if, IF the Hawks trade Crawford this summer and start negotiating with Darling in July he gets 3 years 2.5 per, 3.0 MAX. He has done nothing to prove he deserves more…yet. Now I agree with you that if he was up the following season and had one full year as the #1 and killed it, he could demand more for sure. But that isn’t the case.
- tyweb69

And is exactly why Darling waits until the bitter end for the most money. He would be a fool not to.

No, because if Luongo retires with one year left, Canucks get the full 8m penalty that year. It doesn't go down as he plays, because he isn't playing for them.

https://twitter.com/mirtl...status/440982011251945472
- Antilles

wow.

i stand corrected.

that's harsh.

Eric Lear ‏@BHTVeric 8s8 seconds ago
#Blackhawks announce Artem Anisimov had surgery on his right wrist. Team doctor expects full recovery in 6-8 weeks.

And is exactly why Darling waits until the bitter end for the most money. He would be a fool not to.
- Return of the Roar

He's also been on countless teams (10 different teams in 5 different leagues in the 5 years prior to Hawks) between various leagues over the years... This is the first positive and lengthy career step he's had... He would be smart to take any reasonable contract w/ term to keep himself on this team for the extended future.

Again, loyal fan and I can/will question the front office and coaches. I think the arrogance from top to bottom bit them in the @ss this year. Taking their spot among the Chicago teams for granted, playing ego games with lineups, and players just assuming they could flip it on when it mattered. Now they all are at home and the next 6 weeks we won't hear much until the draft......

As I said a few blogs ago....HUGE offseason for the Hawks for the reasons listed above.
- SteveRain

You're making these things up in your head. They just came up short this year in a retooling year with half the roster changed, nobody ever repeats anyways, and we lost a close game 7 to a team that might be the best in the NHL. Get a grip man, things are never as bad as you make them out to be.

He's also been on countless teams between various leagues over the years... This is the first positive and lengthy career step he's had... He would be smart to take any reasonable contract w/ term to keep himself on this team for the extended future.
- Frenchy4488

He would be smartER to keep his nose to the grindstone, keep getting better, and max his value at the end of his current deal. If you are that worried about his reliability, why push to anoint him the CC successor just yet?

And is exactly why Darling waits until the bitter end for the most money. He would be a fool not to.
- Return of the Roar

Won't happen. Hawks are not going to risk another Bickell debacle and also Darling, never even expected to make it in the NHL, will be happy to get a reasonable contract done ASAP. What happens if he gets injured this year? bye bye contract. It's in his best interest to get it done ASAP. He is no idiot you are right, but he also knows there are only 30 spots in the league for a #1 goalie. Does he really want to roll the dice on that?

Won't happen. Hawks are not going to risk another Bickell debacle and also Darling, never even expected to make it in the NHL, will be happy to get a reasonable contract done ASAP. What happens if he gets injured this year? bye bye contract. It's in his best interest to get it done ASAP. He is no idiot you are right, but he also knows there are only 30 spots in the league for a #1 goalie. Does he really want to roll the dice on that?
- tyweb69

Takes the same risks any other goalie does, and playing only 12-18 games a season right now....he waits. Guarantee it.

Won't happen. Hawks are not going to risk another Bickell debacle and also Darling, never even expected to make it in the NHL, will be happy to get a reasonable contract done ASAP. What happens if he gets injured this year? bye bye contract. It's in his best interest to get it done ASAP. He is no idiot you are right, but he also knows there are only 30 spots in the league for a #1 goalie. Does he really want to roll the dice on that?
- tyweb69

Here's my queston. Say Darling gets 2.5-3 million per. And the new backup gets 1.5. How the heck do you improve your D with only saving 1.5-2 mil in cap space? That's why you keep 50. You can't improve your D without more than 3-4 million in cap space IMO.

Here's my queston. Say Darling gets 2.5-3 million per. And the new backup gets 1.5. How the heck do you improve your D with only saving 1.5-2 mil in cap space? That's why you keep 50. You can't improve your D without more than 3-4 million in cap space IMO.
- huhwhome

We have a winner!!!!

He would be smartER to keep his nose to the grindstone, keep getting better, and max his value at the end of his current deal. If you are that worried about his reliability, why push to anoint him the CC successor just yet?
- Return of the Roar

Not worried about his reliability... He IS the successor for CC... The comment was more that my opinion of Darling is that he will be happy to have stability and if given the reigns to a cup contender and a chance to stay long term I believe he would take it (though I'm not him so who knows).

Eric Lear ‏@BHTVeric 8s8 seconds ago
#Blackhawks announce Artem Anisimov had surgery on his right wrist. Team doctor expects full recovery in 6-8 weeks.
- DarthKane

kind of makes you wonder why reporters even bother asking Q about injury status, he's going to shield every bump and bruise that he can. A bunch of Hawks looked banged up at the end of the year and I think that had an impact on the ice.

I really think a lot of fans (not just Hawks fans) are underestimating how much the expansion draft will effect all of this talk. For instance, trading Crawford to get a #4D. That defenseman would be a rental, because next summer, you can only protect 3D and have to protect Keith, Seabrook, & Hjarmlasson because they have NMC's. Or you can protect 4D, but then only 4 forwards, 3 having to be Kane, Toews, & Hossa because of NMCs. So you risk losing Anisimov or Panarin.

Of course, keeping Crawford puts the Hawks at 49m of the 55m (approximate) you can protect in the expansion draft just from the required to protect NMC's. (Assuming generalfanager is correct and Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Hjarmalsson, & Crawford all have NMC's.)

Obviously, they haven't officially announced the expansion draft, but it seems like the question is more if there will be one team or two drafting next summer. But that will have a far bigger impact on any trades made this summer, especially for a team like Chicago, than I think gets discussed.

Would it really make sense to trade Crawford for one year of a #4D? From an outside perspective, not at all.