I think his playoff performance against Calgary sealed his fate. With a team already heavily relying on two slower skaters there was no place for him. Bonino had some skil but his skating was an embarrassment. Hopefully Sutter can play a full season next year
- CanuckDon

I wish it sealed Vrbata's fate as well...

Apparently they were part of the process. The legality issue comes that NMC prevent "involuntary relocation of a player, whether by trade, loan or waiver claim" so I guess the NHLPA equate the expansion draft similarly to the waiver wire. NTC's dont block waivers, so those guys are sitting ducks
- WhiteLie

makes sense. exposing players is equivalent to waiving them except only 1 or 2 teams has the option to pick them up.

it would be great to unload some dead weight but i think that there are going to be a few gems and several good pick ups and even more decent pick ups to be had around the league. dumping a bad contract is going to be difficult just based on the alternatives that should be out there.

Player Safety is an absolute JOKE

Tom Wilson fined $2,403.00 (maximum fine) for his kneeing on Sheary.
No Suspension...
- Codes1087

but did he hurl a homophobic epithet at him? knees can heal... feelings can't!

but did he hurl a homophobic epithet at him? knees can heal... feelings can't!
- RealityChecker

I have zero issue with Shaw's Suspension+Fine for his homophobic slur. Completed deserved it.

I do have an issue with a repeat offender, making a dirty/late/attempt to injure kneeing hit and being slapped with a fine. Its absolutely crap.

but did he hurl a homophobic epithet at him? knees can heal... feelings can't!
- RealityChecker

but did he hurl a homophobic epithet at him? knees can heal... feelings can't!
- RealityChecker

feelings are the most important part of the equation. you have to take into account the feelings of the owners of the clubs involved, the feelings of whomever is handing out the discipline and the only one exempt from the feelings factor is Bettman, he had his removed before accepting his job with the NHL all those years ago.

makes sense. exposing players is equivalent to waiving them except only 1 or 2 teams has the option to pick them up.

it would be great to unload some dead weight but i think that there are going to be a few gems and several good pick ups and even more decent pick ups to be had around the league. dumping a bad contract is going to be difficult just based on the alternatives that should be out there.
- RealityChecker

I can see a few dead weights being picked up, only because its probably better to grab a few contracts like Sbisa's (moderate level overpayments on short term) to reach the cap floor than to take on someone like Lundqvist's 8.5M cap hit until hes like 40 years old

no not really. Utica is much different than what it was the year before.
- Codes1087

The team is nowhere near as good without Markstrom and spots opened up on the Canucks roster all season long...

Uitca is going to be a powerhouse again I think. Demko will be unreal and there will be a much deeper roster if the Canucks can be healthier next season.

McCann most likely will be part of their team. It's a safe bet that Subban is going to be a league dominate offensive defensemen for them as well. Going to be a high ranked PP team. He'll have more support on D as well. We have a glutton of NHL fringe D who will solidify the Utica core. Maybe Cassels breaks out of what ever fog he's lost in.

I have zero issue with Shaw's Suspension+Fine for his homophobic slur. Completed deserved it.

I do have an issue with a repeat offender, making a dirty/late/attempt to injure kneeing hit and being slapped with a fine. Its absolutely crap.
- Codes1087

totally agree. was just having a bit of fun.

I have zero issue with Shaw's Suspension+Fine for his homophobic slur. Completed deserved it.

I do have an issue with a repeat offender, making a dirty/late/attempt to injure kneeing hit and being slapped with a fine. Its absolutely crap.
- Codes1087

I dont really like it, but at the same time the in-game penalty would've been a 2 minute minor and still not suspension worthy. Should "max" fines be bigger? Absolutely. If he was hit with $15,000 I would think thats severe enough to make him think about what could have happened, but it was a pest/sh!thead move that we see all the time in playoffs without suspension or fines

feelings are the most important part of the equation. you have to take into account the feelings of the owners of the clubs involved, the feelings of whomever is handing out the discipline and the only one exempt from the feelings factor is Bettman, he had his removed before accepting his job with the NHL all those years ago.
- hillbillydeluxe

What about our feelings? The fans?

I dont really like it, but at the same time the in-game penalty would've been a 2 minute minor and still not suspension worthy. Should "max" fines be bigger? Absolutely. If he was hit with $15,000 I would think thats severe enough to make him think about what could have happened, but it was a pest/sh!thead move that we see all the time in playoffs without suspension or fines
- WhiteLie

what kind of idiot sets the max fine for players to $2,403.00......

but did he hurl a homophobic epithet at him? knees can heal... feelings can't!
- RealityChecker

That's funny right there.

I think Green is overrated like most of our players are overrated. He appears to be a bright coaching "prospect." He is unproven and I can't imagine any team giving him a head coaching position. Wouldn't be shocked if he was offered an assistant job somewhere but if memory serves me correctly he turned down an assistant job last year.
- CanuckDon

I don't understand why so many people are high on Green replacing WD. Green and WD both would have entered the NHL with the same credentials. AHL success. Thats it. WD has him beat in that league though.

It would be more or less the same thing. A rookie coach trying to find his way with a team that is both too young and too old at the same time and lacking depth. When the injuries come... is the outcome going to be much different?

If a rookie coach is not getting it done, you replace him with experience... not less experience than the rookie you are about to fire.

what kind of idiot sets the max fine for players to $2,403.00......
- Codes1087

I think its a percentage of some breakdown of salary, either game or week pay. Something stupidly small like that

I think its a percentage of some breakdown of salary, either game or week pay. Something stupidly small like that
- WhiteLie

It should be the equivalent of a players salary per game, based on that particular players salary and not the league average (if that is indeed what it is). Rookies on ELC should be fined according to their annual salary and rate per game played, as should players with high AAV salaries who get fined.

I don't understand why so many people are high on Green replacing WD. Green and WD both would have entered the NHL with the same credentials. AHL success. Thats it. WD has him beat in that league though.

It would be more or less the same thing. A rookie coach trying to find his way with a team that is both too young and too old at the same time and lacking depth. When the injuries come... is the outcome going to be much different?

If a rookie coach is not getting it done, you replace him with experience... not less experience than the rookie you are about to fire.
- boonerbuck

Does that apply to GMs and team Presidents too?

Does that apply to GMs and team Presidents too?
- bloatedmosquito

I'm sure thats exactly what will happen in the future.

It should be the equivalent of a players salary per game, based on that particular players salary and not the league average (if that is indeed what it is). Rookies on ELC should be fined according to their annual salary and rate per game played, as should players with high AAV salaries who get fined.
- Codes1087

I'm guessing it is. According to wikipedia:

Players can be fined up to 50% of one day's salary, up to a maximum of $10,000.00 for their first offense, and $15,000.00 for any subsequent offenses. Fines listed in italics indicate that was the maximum allowed fine.

Coaches, non-playing personnel, and teams are not restricted to such maximums.

So there you go. The "one day salary" is a joke, these guys can afford to miss a minimum of a week's pay for these actions

EDIT: Which I guess means, during the season Tom Wilson makes $4,800 per day

I don't understand why so many people are high on Green replacing WD. Green and WD both would have entered the NHL with the same credentials. AHL success. Thats it. WD has him beat in that league though.

It would be more or less the same thing. A rookie coach trying to find his way with a team that is both too young and too old at the same time and lacking depth. When the injuries come... is the outcome going to be much different?

If a rookie coach is not getting it done, you replace him with experience... not less experience than the rookie you are about to fire.

- boonerbuck

i don't necessarily think that wd's problems are a result of him being new to the league or having to learn on the job.

fundamentally, i think his issues are both his strengths and hinderances. his belief in rolling lines (no matter what) is probably not going to change. that is who he is as a coach. it isn't that he's a rookie/new. he just believes that is the right strategy at his core.

to reduce coaching choices as new vs old or experience vs youth oversimplifies the equation imo.

I'm sure thats exactly what will happen in the future.
- boonerbuck

How future? Near or distant?

https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/726094602130722816
- VANTEL

Hawks have 7 nmc. They should automatically be their protected, not exempt from the expansion draft.

I'm guessing it is. According to wikipedia:



So there you go. The "one day salary" is a joke, these guys can afford to miss a minimum of a week's pay for these actions

EDIT: Which I guess means, during the season Tom Wilson makes $4,800 per day
- WhiteLie

Great Find

Terrible Rule

Great Find

Terrible Rule
- Codes1087

labour negotiations.

the PA will fight hard for these things b/c they have "real" consequences to the players' pocketbooks (regardless of how small, none of us like giving away money).

the league will give the players these small things b/c it isn't worth the fight in the negotiations or it is worth tossing the players these small things in exchange for raping them on the big stuff.

No sure if serious but every season there seems to be a golden child coaching in the AHL or some Junior team. IMO, it seems like more hype than substance.
- bloatedmosquito

I am being serious. You are exactly right. He hasn't proved anything. I like Green but I think it's premature to make him an NHL head coach. He has a few years experience coaching in the WHL and AHL. Big deal. Dragon? Care to chime in?