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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:18 AM ET
Why do you say that??
- rbaurle51


Because it adds years to his deal when he has no NTC or NMC
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 28 @ 11:18 AM ET
Why do you say that??
- rbaurle51


Because paying him to play as a #6 defenseman for $5M per for 4 years is better than paying him to not play for $2M, 1.5M, $1.2M, $1M for the first 4 years and then $1.7M for the next 4 years.

Now, if they wait 2 more years, then it becomes more manageable (although the last 2 years cap hi increases slightly).

Basically, it's better to pay him more to play for 4 years than to pay him less to not play for 8 years.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 28 @ 11:20 AM ET
Because paying him to play as a #6 defenseman for $5M per for 4 years is better than paying him to not play for $2M, 1.5M, $1.2M, $1M for the first 4 years and then $1.7M for the next 4 years.

Now, if they wait 2 more years, then it becomes more manageable (although the last 2 years cap hi increases slightly).

Basically, it's better to pay him more to play for 4 years than to pay him less to not play for 8 years.

- jmatchett383



And he can be a 3rd pairing, PK guy.

ANd just say he has a career year, maybe someone thinks he could be a playoff piece to add.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 28 @ 11:26 AM ET
I have the same feeling.

Calgary interest me a little as they have a big need for goaltending. Could Mason and 2nd rounder get you to 5? Probably not enough.

If we stay at the 17-18 range I see maybe a guy like Max Jones, Keiffer Bellows or Julien Gauthier being there.

- J35Bacher

I'm not a draftnick but from what I've read Bellows and Jones sound great but don't think they will be around at 17? Some question marks about taking Gauthier there.

Would love to hear more opinions on these 3 you listed.

The Chara thing is a shocker. Would be crazy if it happened.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 28 @ 11:26 AM ET
Thanks, Bill. Lots of good info.

Any details on why Hexy was thinking of appealing Schenn's suspension? What he thought was wrong or unfair about it?

A 100-point season doesn't mean as much as it used to pre-2005 and especially pre-realignment (for example, the New Islanders had a 100-point season this year and, due to the NHL's current playoff formatting, it was only good enough for the upper wildcard spot). Even so, it's a virtually certain return to the playoffs: no 100-point team has ever missed the playoffs in either conference.


More points the Flyers get, the less another team is collecting, though with 3-point games I could see a team accumulating 100 and not making the playoffs...
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 28 @ 11:28 AM ET
Because paying him to play as a #6 defenseman for $5M per for 4 years is better than paying him to not play for $2M, 1.5M, $1.2M, $1M for the first 4 years and then $1.7M for the next 4 years.

Now, if they wait 2 more years, then it becomes more manageable (although the last 2 years cap hi increases slightly).

Basically, it's better to pay him more to play for 4 years than to pay him less to not play for 8 years.

- jmatchett383


What a pain in the balls that AMac deal is...
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:31 AM ET
Chara is done
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 28 @ 11:33 AM ET
I'm not a draftnick but from what I've read Bellows and Jones sound great but don't think they will be around at 17? Some question marks about taking Gauthier there.

Would love to hear more opinions on these 3 you listed.

The Chara thing is a shocker. Would be crazy if it happened.

- Marc D


Bellows: Son of Brian is a hard driving power player who also has skill. Has size and gains advantage when he puts it to use. He is strong on the puck, shows a separation gear. Plays passionately ands on occasion gotten edgy.
Can stickhandle in tight spaces is slippery on the attack, and able to go wide on defenders. He has quick jump in his stop/starts, and will get rolling and continues North-South with authority. His main attribute is his shot. A goal scorer. He has one of the best shots in the draft. He lets it go lightning fast and hard, and with accuracy. Finds the seam, gets in and free and let’s it fly. Needs to continue to shore up his game in his own end, his play when he doesn’t have the puck, and better commitment to his defensive zone responsibilities. And you have to wish he could just be a little more physical in all phases. He has committed to Boston University.


Jones: Big aggressive winger who plays a passionate high energy aggressive style. Has a strong powerful stride. Is more of a North-South skater who bulls his way through to wherever he is going and crash and bangs. Has a strong shot that packs some wallop, but there is also wallop when he drops’em. He is know to stick up for teammates and gets them more space because of it. In short space he will accelerate and meet opponents on the wall or in the paint. Has a heavy quick shot that needs to gain more accuracy. He is known to catch opponents with big open ice checks. Displays high character along with toughness, size and feisty 200 foot game. A streaky scorer and the jury is out as to whether he can contribute heavily in that aspect. Plays like an old fashion grinder, who may gain more consistency as a finisher as he develops. But he may end up as a checker who can chip in a goal here or there.

Gauthier: Big winger with a strong fluid with a terrific shot and release. He uses his body to to take pucks away, and win possession battles in the offensive zone. A big man with soft hands, a great one-timer and a willingness to go in the dirty areas and in the front. He can change gears and surprise defenders by beating them off the wing. Q defenders get caught in denial thinking no way can a guy this big be that explosive. Needs to develop more as a play-maker, and get pucks to his linemates as well as they feed him. He is a a North-South skater who depends upon his linemates to get him the puck. His game needs rounding out, but looks like an excellent prospect.


EducatedOpinion
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 10.11.2013

Apr 28 @ 11:36 AM ET
Thanks, Bill. Lots of good info.

Any details on why Hexy was thinking of appealing Schenn's suspension? What he thought was wrong or unfair about it?



More points the Flyers get, the less another team is collecting, though with 3-point games I could see a team accumulating 100 and not making the playoffs...

- wolfhounds

Not Bill, but reading about it on CSNPhilly Hextall seemed to think it was excessive. Also implied that if Schenn's other actions in the series led to the suspension being what it was then the DOPS acted outside of its own rules.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 28 @ 11:36 AM ET
I prefer holmgrens vision on the cap. "We'll cross that bridge when we get to it"
- Just5


Was thrilled to hear he's still a decision maker when it comes to personnel.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 28 @ 11:42 AM ET
Was thrilled to hear he's still a decision maker when it comes to personnel.
- PLindbergh31
So is Giroux
WhirlingDervish
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "Make The Flyers Great Again", PA
Joined: 02.01.2016

Apr 28 @ 11:47 AM ET
Speaking of improving from within, was there any mention of Jordan Wheal's future, if there is one here???
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 28 @ 11:49 AM ET
Lappy fired yet?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 28 @ 11:50 AM ET
Speaking of improving from within, was there any mention of Jordan Wheal's future, if there is one here???
- WhirlingDervish


The Kings wouldn't have unloaded him if he had an NHL future.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 28 @ 11:55 AM ET
Bellows: Son of Brian
- J35Bacher




How many games would Stevens and Trottier be suspended for had this happened today?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 28 @ 11:57 AM ET


How many games would Stevens and Trottier be suspended for had this happened today?

- jmatchett383


class act.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 28 @ 11:57 AM ET
Lappy fired yet?
- hereticpride


i assume you want him fired.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 28 @ 11:59 AM ET
The Kings wouldn't have unloaded him if he had an NHL future.
- PLindbergh31


The same way the Flyers unloaded Patrick Sharp for Matt Ellison, or the Red Wings unloaded Leino for OKT and a 5th, or the way that Calgary unloaded Brett Hull for Rob Ramage?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 28 @ 12:01 PM ET
class act.
- hammarby31


If that referee had any stones, he should have tossed them both from the game, along with matching 2 minute minor for unsportsmanlike conduct for using such horrible langauge. Because only truly despicable players have used such vulgar speech during NHL games.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 28 @ 12:09 PM ET


How many games would Stevens and Trottier be suspended for had this happened today?

- jmatchett383



I can't see it.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 28 @ 12:09 PM ET
The same way the Flyers unloaded Patrick Sharp for Matt Ellison, or the Red Wings unloaded Leino for OKT and a 5th, or the way that Calgary unloaded Brett Hull for Rob Ramage?
- jmatchett383


Oh ok. Good, I was worried he wasn't going to amount to anything.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 28 @ 12:10 PM ET
Oh ok. Good, I was worried he wasn't going to amount to anything.
- PLindbergh31


He might not. But just because a team "unloads" a player doesn't mean he won't amount to anything.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 28 @ 12:10 PM ET
I can't see it.
- J35Bacher


It's when Stevens and Trottier were yelling all kinds of stuff at Brian Bellows during the 91 Finals.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 28 @ 12:14 PM ET
Chara is done
- Trainfellow


His lateral movement is brutal. His burst of speed is gone. Still strong as an ox and thinks the game well, but he can't move well enough to help at ES, especially at the cost

Sometimes, winning is letting other teams suffer with their own tough situations
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 28 @ 12:20 PM ET
If that referee had any stones, he should have tossed them both from the game, along with matching 2 minute minor for unsportsmanlike conduct for using such horrible langauge. Because only truly despicable players have used such vulgar speech during NHL games.
- jmatchett383


yes.
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