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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:24 PM ET
I saw that, was definitely odd to watch a guy skate back to the bench with a stick hanging from his face. I'm sure it was Beagle's fault.

http://www.russianmachine...stick-stuck-in-his-visor/

- wolfhounds



Thats a goal
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 28 @ 11:25 PM ET
Thats a goal
- MBFlyerfan


Oshie came to play tonight.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 28 @ 11:26 PM ET
matt murray kind of sucked tonight.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 28 @ 11:31 PM ET
I hate them.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:36 PM ET
Watched the final 25-30 minutes, and I didn't see the Pens suffering from "size" issues. They looked every bit like they could keep up with and possibly beat the Caps. And that's with their Letang+Ragtags for d men and midget speedsters. It's amazing what puck skills and speed and aggressive tactics at all strengths can do.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 28 @ 11:54 PM ET
Oshie came to play tonight.
- wolfhounds


Maybe we can trade Matt Read for him, since Read's the better player
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 12:08 AM ET
matt murray kind of sucked tonight.
- hammarby31

long list of pens can put their name on that list tonight.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 12:08 AM ET
Watched the final 25-30 minutes, and I didn't see the Pens suffering from "size" issues. They looked every bit like they could keep up with and possibly beat the Caps. And that's with their Letang+Ragtags for d men and midget speedsters. It's amazing what puck skills and speed and aggressive tactics at all strengths can do.
- Mononoke


nope. not a size issue at all.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 29 @ 12:36 AM ET
nope. not a size issue at all.
- stayinthefnnet


I hope the Flyers and Hakstol pay attention to this series. The Sullivan model can be achieved and then some with our prospects on the back end. Just add skill and speed and smarts up front.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:13 AM ET
I hope the Flyers and Hakstol pay attention to this series. The Sullivan model can be achieved and then some with our prospects on the back end. Just add skill and speed and smarts up front.
- Mononoke


just be careful because oshies smug (frank)ing super mario turtle looking (frank)ing self might come along and just squirt right on in the corner and ruin it.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 29 @ 1:33 AM ET
just be careful because oshies smug (frank)ing super mario turtle looking (frank)ing self might come along and just squirt right on in the corner and ruin it.
- stayinthefnnet


Brayden Schenn knows how to defeat a koopa troopa
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:36 AM ET
Brayden Schenn knows how to defeat a koopa troopa
- Mononoke

of course he does. hit it high enough times and a coin will eventually pop out
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 29 @ 1:46 AM ET
I hope the Flyers and Hakstol pay attention to this series. The Sullivan model can be achieved and then some with our prospects on the back end. Just add skill and speed and smarts up front.
- Mononoke

nope we are getting chara and lucic

Cause size matters most
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 29 @ 1:50 AM ET
long list of pens can put their name on that list tonight.
- stayinthefnnet

Pens outplayed them much of the game
Could have easily stole that one
Maata had a bad play but thought the rest of them were good
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 29 @ 1:52 AM ET
of course he does. hit it high enough times and a coin will eventually pop out
- stayinthefnnet


You need Tom Sestito. He'll turn Oshie into the (frank)ing Trevi Fountain
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:56 AM ET
You need Tom Sestito. He'll turn Oshie into the (frank)ing Trevi Fountain
- Mononoke

stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 29 @ 1:57 AM ET
Pens outplayed them much of the game
Could have easily stole that one
Maata had a bad play but thought the rest of them were good

- Marc D

it hurt. caps are good. but couldve had game one
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 29 @ 1:59 AM ET
Pens outplayed them much of the game
Could have easily stole that one
Maata had a bad play but thought the rest of them were good

- Marc D


Pens d, which is a hodgepodge of cast offs, young depth guys, and Letang don't block shots and retreat -- they get up on you and get the puck and do things with it. Flyers d can be that on steroids in a couple years. The aggression with which everyone plays with is fun hockey: d men pinches galore, ram speed down the Caps throat. Watching their PK made me chuckle out our inept strategy. They just smothered Backstrom and were flying all over.

All this can lead to ugly mistakes, but the Pens are showing all the weaknesses of the Caps with a worse roster than them. Slow physical grind em out lane clogging hockey means jack poop when the other team thinks quicker and skates faster than you. I'm actually rooting for them.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 29 @ 2:02 AM ET
it hurt. caps are good. but couldve had game one
- stayinthefnnet

Burakowski was flying
Backstroms alley oop pass to ov was amazing
Thought letang looked great
Bonino too

Entertaining game
It's going 7 games
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 29 @ 2:04 AM ET
Pens d, which is a hodgepodge of cast offs, young depth guys, and Letang don't block shots and retreat -- they get up on you and get the puck and do things with it. Flyers d can be that on steroids in a couple years. The aggression with which everyone plays with is fun hockey: d men pinches galore, ram speed down the Caps throat. Watching their PK made me chuckle out our inept strategy. They just smothered Backstrom and were flying all over.

All this can lead to ugly mistakes, but the Pens are showing all the weaknesses of the Caps with a worse roster than them. Slow physical grind em out lane clogging hockey means jack poop when the other team thinks quicker and skates faster than you. I'm actually rooting for them.

- Mononoke

Our D doesn't have the quickness to pressure the puck like that
Maybe someday soon
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 29 @ 2:05 AM ET
Man, if the Stanley Cup Final was Sharks or Stars vs. Penguins (Pens can screw it at that point lol), that might be one of the craziest, most fun series in a while. That'd sure win over a lot of new hockey fans if they watched.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 29 @ 2:11 AM ET
Our D doesn't have the quickness to pressure the puck like that
Maybe someday soon

- Marc D


The only one's who can't physically do that are Schultz and Streit. AMac is mentally incapable. Idk...Ghost, Medve*hiccup*dev, Gudas, MDZ (pre injury), Manning...they all could do that. Pens still have Lovejoy and Dumoulin, etc.. What we don't have is the speed up front. Imagine that strategy with their forward corps and our d prospect corps...that's something to aspire to. Not to beat the Caps at their own game when they've never even made it past the 2nd round.

Pens are a better team than us, but the passivity stuff killed me. We aren't that devoid of speed and skill. Some more would be nice.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 29 @ 2:19 AM ET
The only one's who can't physically do that are Schultz and Streit. AMac is mentally incapable. Idk...Ghost, Medve*hiccup*dev, Gudas, MDZ (pre injury), Manning...they all could do that. Pens still have Lovejoy and Dumoulin, etc.. What we don't have is the speed up front. Imagine that strategy with their forward corps and our d prospect corps...that's something to aspire to. Not to beat the Caps at their own game when they've never even made it past the 2nd round.

Pens are a better team than us, but the passivity stuff killed me. We aren't that devoid of speed and skill. Some more would be nice.

- Mononoke

I hope Leier gets a shot next season, he can really skate. Bellemare can play that kind of pressure D. Read used to be able to but he's lost a step.

Caps are not all big and slow. Burakowski was flying tonight.

Wilson is just a douche and I think he sits now after that knee in knee.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 29 @ 2:25 AM ET
I hope Leier gets a shot next season, he can really skate. Bellemare can play that kind of pressure D. Read used to be able to but he's lost a step.

Caps are not all big and slow. Burakowski was flying tonight.

Wilson is just a douche and I think he sits now after that knee in knee.

- Marc D


I didn't mean all the Caps were big and or slow (d kinda is minus Orlov). Lord knows Kuzy and Burakovsky and Ovi can fly. They've got smart slick players like Williams and Backstrom and Oshie. But Trotz does not have his system push the pace like the Pens. They tend to be passive in their own right at times. Block shots, occupy lanes, dump ins etc.. As good as their PP was, we generally matched them at evens (game 5 aside). We should not be matching them. Pens really took it to them minus the end result.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Apr 29 @ 6:04 AM ET
I didn't mean all the Caps were big and or slow (d kinda is minus Orlov). Lord knows Kuzy and Burakovsky and Ovi can fly. They've got smart slick players like Williams and Backstrom and Oshie. But Trotz does not have his system push the pace like the Pens. They tend to be passive in their own right at times. Block shots, occupy lanes, dump ins etc.. As good as their PP was, we generally matched them at evens (game 5 aside). We should not be matching them. Pens really took it to them minus the end result.
- Mononoke

The problem with the pens system is the same as when Laviolette coaches the Flyers: pushing the pace leads to turnovers by the defensemen and quality chances (odd man rushes, break always, Ext) the other way. Washington didn't have as many shots but probably had an equal amount of dangerous scoring chances if not more. The Penguins were able to overwhelm the Rangers cause the Rangers forwards stick and their defensemen couldn't move the puck. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the playoffs unfold for them against better competition.
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