Im hoping for top 5. I wouldnt be to thrilled with taking Nylander and think its a bit high for a dman at 6.

The count down is on.
- mauryballstein

I can't see Benning taking Nylander...my guess is he has the rankings as follows:
AM
PL
JP
Tcachuk
Brisbois
Juolevi or Chyrchrun

Im hoping for top 5. I wouldnt be to thrilled with taking Nylander and think its a bit high for a dman at 6.

The count down is on.
- mauryballstein

your expectations are too low

@WhiteLie

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...e-right-move-for-canucks/

Drance has a few points I agree with in terms of coaching but I agree mostly that its more a personnel issue. Older article and I posted it earlier but it sums up my opinion.

None of this looks good on WD and I see why Dragon keeps calling him out but it is way more complex than a simple coaching change. It would solve nothing at this point imo.
- WhatTheNuck

i'm pretty sure that's where most of us are.... but it comes across as defending wd when you try to state that the problems lie a little deeper than coaching.

oh well, at least it makes for some fun reading sometimes.

I can't see Benning taking Nylander...my guess is he has the rankings as follows:
AM
PL
JP
Tcachuk
Brisbois
Juolevi or Chyrchrun
- CanuckDon

The more I thought about it the more I question it about trading down. I do like Logan Brown after the top 3 so it would depend on what you could trade for.

your expectations are never too low as a canucks fan
- Codes1087

fixed

fixed
- RealityChecker

well played sir

@WhiteLie

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...e-right-move-for-canucks/

Drance has a few points I agree with in terms of coaching but I agree mostly that its more a personnel issue. Older article and I posted it earlier but it sums up my opinion.

None of this looks good on WD and I see why Dragon keeps calling him out but it is way more complex than a simple coaching change. It would solve nothing at this point imo.
- WhatTheNuck

In previous discussions with Dragon, I have mentioned that I dont think Willie survives 2016 as the coach and I dont disagree he has done some really questionable things in his line up and deployment of the players.

My only argument with Dragon is his claims that there is no system, which is absurd. No one makes it to the NHL without a system, this article even references and gives props to the system:

Tactically speaking, Desjardins’ system is exceedingly modern. The club’s defencemen are aggressive on breakouts and the team looks to maintain puck possession in transition. Vancouver ranks in the top-10 in the NHL in terms of the ratio of ‘dump-ins’ to ‘controlled entries,’ and the Canucks’ defence corps – despite lacking in high-end offensive personnel – is impressively in the top third of the league by controlled entry rate, according to Montreal-based player tracking firm Sportlogiq.

And the piece further supports the claim that the players are responsible for the poor results. Even the defense, which he thinks are the worst and definitely needs their coach replaced gets top-10 credit from the stats.

His club’s permissive defensive play is not a good look for Desjardins, but it isn’t difficult to argue that this is largely a product of the Canucks’ personnel rather then their systems’ play.

The Canucks’ defensive structure, for example, appears to be designed to force turnovers in the neutral zone. It’s a sound strategy — the Canucks rank in the top-10 in Sportlogiq’s ‘successful defensive plays’ that occur between the two blue-lines. It’s the defencemen who carry the bulk of that responsibility, though, with the forwards ranking in the bottom-10 in the NHL by this metric while the defence ranks in the top five.

I think most are ok with the idea of seeing what Willie can do to start next season, two seasons is a small sample size of his capabilities. Considering the team isnt going anywhere anytime soon, the urgency to replace the coach is unnecessary IMO

The more I thought about it the more I question it about trading down. I do like Logan Brown after the top 3 so it would depend on what you could trade for.
- VANTEL

Id say if we get unlucky enough to get 6 i say trade down to 10-12 take brown or one of the top 4 defensemen.

I wonder what you would get? A second rounder, maybe one this year and one next? The drop between the 6-7 spots in 10 is large. Very hard to say what you would pick up for moving back 5ish spots.

your expectations are too low
- Codes1087

Ive been saying were getting Mathews for months

Just a what if scenario. I like all top 5 forward picks they all bring size and scoring which is what we need.

In previous discussions with Dragon, I have mentioned that I dont think Willie survives 2016 as the coach and I dont disagree he has done some really questionable things in his line up and deployment of the players.

My only argument with Dragon is his claims that there is no system, which is absurd. No one makes it to the NHL without a system, this article even references and gives props to the system:



And the piece further supports the claim that the players are responsible for the poor results. Even the defense, which he thinks are the worst and definitely needs their coach replaced gets top-10 credit from the stats.



I think most are ok with the idea of seeing what Willie can do to start next season, two seasons is a small sample size of his capabilities. Considering the team isnt going anywhere anytime soon, the urgency to replace the coach is unnecessary IMO
- WhiteLie

well reasoned and thought out opinions are not welcome here..... son!

I can't see Benning taking Nylander...my guess is he has the rankings as follows:
AM
PL
JP
Tcachuk
Dubois
Juolevi or Chyrchrun
- CanuckDon

I think so too. Id prefer sergachev at 6 just because I dont think we have ever had a pure offensive Dman.

In previous discussions with Dragon, I have mentioned that I dont think Willie survives 2016 as the coach and I dont disagree he has done some really questionable things in his line up and deployment of the players.

My only argument with Dragon is his claims that there is no system, which is absurd. No one makes it to the NHL without a system, this article even references and gives props to the system:



And the piece further supports the claim that the players are responsible for the poor results. Even the defense, which he thinks are the worst and definitely needs their coach replaced gets top-10 credit from the stats.



I think most are ok with the idea of seeing what Willie can do to start next season, two seasons is a small sample size of his capabilities. Considering the team isnt going anywhere anytime soon, the urgency to replace the coach is unnecessary IMO
- WhiteLie

This.

well reasoned and thought out opinions are not welcome here..... son!
- RealityChecker

I tried hysteria for a while, but that is too exhausting

Id say if we get unlucky enough to get 6 i say trade down to 10-12 take brown or one of the top 4 defensemen.

I wonder what you would get? A second rounder, maybe one this year and one next? The drop between the 6-7 spots in 10 is large. Very hard to say what you would pick up for moving back 5ish spots.
- mauryballstein

Agreed, not much separates 6-15. I'd trade down and add a second if was an option

This.
- Marwood

The (frank) you say to me? You better check yoself before you wreck yoself

Ive been saying were getting Mathews for months

Just a what if scenario. I like all top 5 forward picks they all bring size and scoring which is what we need.
- mauryballstein

now they are too high

I tried hysteria for a while, but that is too exhausting
- WhiteLie

In previous discussions with Dragon, I have mentioned that I dont think Willie survives 2016 as the coach and I dont disagree he has done some really questionable things in his line up and deployment of the players.

My only argument with Dragon is his claims that there is no system, which is absurd. No one makes it to the NHL without a system, this article even references and gives props to the system:



And the piece further supports the claim that the players are responsible for the poor results. Even the defense, which he thinks are the worst and definitely needs their coach replaced gets top-10 credit from the stats.



I think most are ok with the idea of seeing what Willie can do to start next season, two seasons is a small sample size of his capabilities. Considering the team isnt going anywhere anytime soon, the urgency to replace the coach is unnecessary IMO
- WhiteLie

Im not a WD fan. I didnt like how down the stretch when the games meant nothing Pedan didnt get as much ice time as weber or bart both of which will never play for the team again. I would have like to see him play lots and think of it as a help with planning where he fits in for next year.

I dont like how Vrbata never played with the twins to up his trade value. Plus Hansen is our best defensive forward and if Bo is playing the role of shut down guy why not help him out instead of playing him with a guy known to score goals who was totally disinterested.

The (frank) you say to me? You better check yoself before you wreck yoself
- WhiteLie

I know I crossed the line. I'm going to educate myself, now. Sorry.

now they are too high
- Codes1087

I think our chance of 1st or 6th is basically the same. 11%?

I know I crossed the line. I'm going to educate myself, now. Sorry.
- Marwood

LEARN son LEARN. There are real fans that can teach you

I tried hysteria for a while, but that is too exhausting
- WhiteLie

I think our chance of 1st or 6th is basically the same. 11%?
- mauryballstein

Our most likely pick is 5th followed by 4th...all I care about is top 3. I'll be happy with 1-3

Our most likely pick is 5th followed by 4th...all I care about is top 3. I'll be happy with 1-3
- CanuckDon

LEARN son LEARN. There are real fans that can teach you
- CanuckDon

I've signed up for a private one-on-one session with Dragon. He's taking time away from his medical practice to help me understand why I am so stupid.