I was also a fan since day one mainly due to him having no previous affiliations with the Flyers.
- arichardson22

Affiliated with current Flyer Chris Vandevelde

too many chances for injury. now with the world championships


and then later with that fake tournament the nhl made up. enough already
- Crimsoninja

But, but those World Cup of Hockey commercials with P. Kane are soooo funny.

dayum sun 4.0 GPA in Phys. Ed. dat sum gud sheeet
- 2Real

Good to know that he'll have a backup career after he's out of the league in 5 or 6 years.

But, but those World Cup of Hockey commercials with P. Kane are soooo funny.
- hockeylover

*reatrains self from making a politically incorrect P.Kane joke*

It's hard to have a room full of star players and get them to mesh with each other and learn that they're not always going to be "the man." I'm not saying it's harder than taking a bunch of middle-6 guys and bottom-4 defenders and making the playoffs, just that it's not true than any coach can coach a star team well.

As was said, Adam Oates.
- jmatchett383

Adam Oates didn't have Oshie, Williams, a mature Carlson, Kuznetsov (17 games), Richards, and a few other impact players like Trotz does.

So what you are saying is that without Trotz this team doesn't make the playoffs? PUHLEEEHZ (see what I did there?)

Expecting a guy in the bottom half of the first round to have 5+ 60-point seasons seems high expectations. I went back to the 2005 draft and listed the "big name" forward picks in the back half of the first (didn't do the last 3 years, early to tell). Some of the bigger forward names:

2005: Oshie (24)
2006: Giroux (22)
2007: Pacioretty (22)
2008: Eberle (22)
2009: Kreider (19), Johansson (24)
2010: Tarasenko (16), Kuznetsov (26)
2012: Hertl (17), Teravainen (18)

That's it. 10 players in 8 years. Obviously you go for it, but it's a longshot.
- jmatchett383

I like what you did, but why not go 2nd and 3rd rounds...or all the rounds. There is also the chance that high picks move teams. Just because the Flyers arent picking in the top half of the draft doesnt mean they cant acquire someone from there

If there's a Johnny Gaudreau type available at 17/18, they'd better take him.
- jmatchett383

Debrincat will probably go towards the end of the first round. He's Gadreau-sized. Also Rocco Grimaldi-sized.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Debrincat will probably go towards the end of the first round. He's Gadreau-sized. Also Rocco Grimaldi-sized.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
- Feanor

Cant believe the Mock flyers passed on Max Jones

Adam Oates didn't have Oshie, Williams, a mature Carlson, Kuznetsov (17 games), Richards, and a few other impact players like Trotz does.

So what you are saying is that without Trotz this team doesn't make the playoffs? PUHLEEEHZ (see what I did there?)

- MBFlyerfan

I think you just called Mike Richards an impact player.

I like what you did, but why not go 2nd and 3rd rounds...or all the rounds. There is also the chance that high picks move teams. Just because the Flyers arent picking in the top half of the draft doesnt mean they cant acquire someone from there
- YuenglingJagr

Because I'm not going through all of the trouble. Simply saying that picking 16-30 doesn't mean that an impact forward will be available.

Debrincat will probably go towards the end of the first round. He's Gadreau-sized. Also Rocco Grimaldi-sized.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
- Feanor

I don't care about his size. If he's 5'7 and can score 50 goals or 6'4 and can score 15 goals, give the the small guy.

Adam Oates didn't have Oshie, Williams, a mature Carlson, Kuznetsov (17 games), Richards, and a few other impact players like Trotz does.

So what you are saying is that without Trotz this team doesn't make the playoffs? PUHLEEEHZ (see what I did there?)

- MBFlyerfan

Yeah, he made the playoffs when all he had was Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, Brouwer, Johnasson, Ward, Carlson, and Ribeiro.

The next year, when he had all of those (minus Ribeiro) one year more mature and added Chimera and Grabovski, they finished 9th.

Clearly, Mike Ribeiro was the glue that held them together...had nothing to do with Oates as a coach.

And nowhere did I say that Washington doesn't make the playoffs without Trotz. I will say, however, that I don't think they're as good as they are if they had a guy like Berube or Oates at the helm. But if the Capitals' goal is to compete for a playoff spot and flame out early, then those guys would have gotten the job done.

i think he deserves more Jack Adams consideration than Barry Trotz to give an example. A monkey could have coached Washington to a high playoff birth.
- MBFlyerfan

Jacques Demers was a Canadian Senator, and a Stanley Cup winning coach, and the guy was illiterate.

I don't care about his size. If he's 5'7 and can score 50 goals or 6'4 and can score 15 goals, give the the small guy.
- jmatchett383

That's great.

The problem is telling the Gadreaus from the Grimaldis when they're tiny teenagers.

Yeah, he made the playoffs when all he had was Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, Brouwer, Johnasson, Ward, Carlson, and Ribeiro.

The next year, when he had all of those (minus Ribeiro) one year more mature and added Chimera and Grabovski, they finished 9th.

Clearly, Mike Ribeiro was the glue that held them together...had nothing to do with Oates as a coach.

And nowhere did I say that Washington doesn't make the playoffs without Trotz. I will say, however, that I don't think they're as good as they are if they had a guy like Berube or Oates at the helm. But if the Capitals' goal is to compete for a playoff spot and flame out early, then those guys would have gotten the job done.
- jmatchett383

(frank) i was kind of banking on that being their goal...

That's great.

The problem is telling the Gadreaus from the Grimaldis when they're tiny teenagers.
- Feanor

I agree. But if you're taking one player because he's 6'3 even though his teenage production is on a lower level than the 5'7 guy, I'm out. If the guy has enough skill, more likely than not it will translate. The only time I'd take size into account is if their hockey skills are similar. It's the metric that tips the scales, not the one that sets the bar.

(frank) i was kind of banking on that being their goal...
- stayinthefnnet

I fully expect the Penguins to smoke them in 6.

But then again, the Capitals have bigger players, which means they are the better team.

i want Patrik Laine on the Flyers. Whatever it takes. And I won't stop until my hopes are crushed and we get the next Mike Richards.

If there's a Johnny Gaudreau type available at 17/18, they'd better take him.
- jmatchett383

Alex Debrincat

i want Patrik Laine on the Flyers. Whatever it takes. And I won't stop until my hopes are crushed and we get the next Mike Richards.
- wilsonecho91

Mike Richards ca. 2007-2010 or ca. 2012-present?

Mike Richards ca. 2007-2010 or ca. 2012-present?
- jmatchett383

the one who likes to fish and party.

the one who likes to fish and party.
- wilsonecho91

That would be the 2007-present version.

I don't care about his size. If he's 5'7 and can score 50 goals or 6'4 and can score 15 goals, give the the small guy.
- jmatchett383

i'd care more about what they can do in the playoffs but then again we can always trade our small forwards away... they'd probably have more value

the one who likes to fish and party.
- wilsonecho91

ok 07-10

I agree. But if you're taking one player because he's 6'3 even though his teenage production is on a lower level than the 5'7 guy, I'm out. If the guy has enough skill, more likely than not it will translate. The only time I'd take size into account is if their hockey skills are similar. It's the metric that tips the scales, not the one that sets the bar.
- jmatchett383

For every Gaudreau there are more Akesons. Players get drafted not only because of how they scored, but also because of how scouts project them to be as a grown man.