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3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Apr 25 @ 2:00 PM ET
I don't need to see Matt Read play another game in a Flyers uniform.
- MFC


Unfortunately, I think we are stuck with him
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 25 @ 2:01 PM ET
LA Times reported yesterday, with quotes from Lucic, that he does not intend to test UFA market this summer and his intention is sign an extension with LA.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Apr 25 @ 2:01 PM ET
so we're back to lucic?
- 2Real


Yup..wouldnt be a bad addition to this team assuming it's not an insane contract but Bill's post above puts an end to that pretty much.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 25 @ 2:02 PM ET
LA Times reported yesterday, with quotes from Lucic, that he does not intend to test UFA market this summer and his intention is sign an extension with LA.
- bmeltzer

yea well Sam Bradford wanted to play in Philly then just asked for a trade...
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 25 @ 2:05 PM ET
yea well Sam Bradford wanted to play in Philly then just asked for a trade...
- 2Real


True...identical situations
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Apr 25 @ 2:05 PM ET
LA Times reported yesterday, with quotes from Lucic, that he does not intend to test UFA market this summer and his intention is sign an extension with LA.
- bmeltzer

Darren Dreger just reported the same thing on TSN radio.
I say we look at Martin for the 4th line... Depending on $$$ of course
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 25 @ 2:05 PM ET
Matt Martin is a UFA. Isles 4th line seems to do a good job.
- 3flyerkids


I think Matt Martin is actually a solid 4th line player, but that line also has Clutterbuck and Czikas. In all but 1/7 of Clutterbuck's full NHL seasons has he failed to hit 11 goals. 15+ in 3 of them. Czikas just hit 30 points this year. They don't just hit, even if they lead the league in it. They're probably the gold standard of a 4th line: hit, score, possess. Martin might be the least important of the 3.

Not to mention it doesn't get me excited to pay top dollar for a true 4th liner. Good 4th lines aren't hard to assemble if a coach/GM think outside of what a prototypical 4th liner is. Maybe one day we can ice a Fazleev-Cousins-Ghoul 4th line.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 25 @ 2:08 PM ET
I would have loved Zac running Ovechkin, it still infuriates me he got away with nothing for running Couter. Flyers need a tough guy that can actually play, a guy with huge energy, bring back Mad Dog Kelly
- joegreif17


Yeah, this is a horrible idea. Not only because OV would just brace himself and put Rinaldo on his ass, but because we have enough trouble killing penalties as it was without bringing back Emperor 2-5-10.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 25 @ 2:08 PM ET
I think Matt Martin is actually a solid 4th line player, but that line also has Clutterbuck and Czikas. In all but 1/7 of Clutterbuck's full NHL seasons has he failed to hit 11 goals. 15+ in 3 of them. Czikas just hit 30 points this year. They don't just hit, even if they lead the league in it. They're probably the gold standard of a 4th line: hit, score, possess. Martin might be the least important of the 3.

Not to mention it doesn't get me excited to pay top dollar for a true 4th liner. Good 4th lines aren't hard to assemble if a coach/GM think outside of what a prototypical 4th liner is. Maybe one day we can ice a Fazleev-Cousins-Ghoul 4th line.

- Mononoke


agreed...NO THANK YOU
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Apr 25 @ 2:12 PM ET
In what world has Stafford ever scored 30 goals and Tyler Myers scored 46 points? Those comparisons are garbage and you know it. It is laughable that you think one tweak will turn a bottom feeder into a playoff team...... Buffalo needs a lot of tweaks.....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


To be fair - and I'm not defending the trolling...both of those things did happen.

(btw, some mod took him out for a while)
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 25 @ 2:14 PM ET
We need size but adding a 4th liner to address it is kind of pointless. We need it in the top six.

Does LA even have the cap room to resign Lucic?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 25 @ 2:16 PM ET
We need size but adding a 4th liner to address it is kind of pojntless. We need it in the top six.

Does LA even have the cap room to resign Lucic?

- hereticpride

I don't even think LA should resign him they need to fix their defense
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 25 @ 2:17 PM ET
To be fair - and I'm not defending the trolling...both of those things did happen.

(btw, some mod took him out for a while)

- stashu


2 minutes in the box. He feels shame!
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Apr 25 @ 2:18 PM ET
2 minutes in the box. He feels shame!
- dragonoffrost


A bit longer than that

Doubtful
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 25 @ 2:18 PM ET
We need size but adding a 4th liner to address it is kind of pointless. We need it in the top six.

Does LA even have the cap room to resign Lucic?

- hereticpride



I think they will.

Schenn and Vinny will be gone.

They will probably try to move Brown. Most likely have to eat about half that money.

funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 25 @ 2:20 PM ET
Bradford is such a baby he's done nothing in the NFL and is upset when the Eagles try to improve their team. He wants out? ok send him to the Santa Clara 49ers or he can be a franchise QB in the CFL
- 2Real


I agree. He's being kind of a female dog about this whole thing.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 25 @ 2:20 PM ET
Bill or anyone else,

Who from the phantoms is probably getting a look for a roster spot(forwards) next season?

I know Leier but anyone else you think could earn a spot with a good camp?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 25 @ 2:20 PM ET
We need size but adding a 4th liner to address it is kind of pointless. We need it in the top six.

Does LA even have the cap room to resign Lucic?

- hereticpride


They do...their situation is bleak though...they need to get rid of somebody pretty soon...will have to retain on Brown and or Gaborik. They will have around 10 million but they really need to find a way to keep their young guys
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 25 @ 2:20 PM ET
Trading for a tank?
- bodiva88


I suppose that counts?
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 25 @ 2:22 PM ET
I think they will.

Schenn and Vinny will be gone.

They will probably try to move Brown. Most likely have to eat about half that money.

- J35Bacher


Brown has 6 years at an AAV of $5.875 million. He's barely a 3rd liner anymore hitting ~27 points in 3 seasons in a row. I don't think he's remotely movable. Maybe if they eat half the money and package Toffoli lol
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 25 @ 2:23 PM ET
I agree. He's being kind of a female dog about this whole thing.
- funmaster18


I can see it from Bradfords side.

They probably promised him a bunch of things, like using all these picks to help solidify things like receivers and line help. But now those picks have been used to solidify bradfords replacement.

The eagles brought this on themselves.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 25 @ 2:24 PM ET
Brown has 6 years at an AAV of $5.875 million. He's barely a 3rd liner anymore hitting ~27 points in 3 seasons in a row. I don't think he's remotely movable. Maybe if they eat half the money and package Toffoli lol
- Mononoke

Brown is one of the worst contracts in the league. Guy fell off a cliff. And then another cliff.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 25 @ 2:26 PM ET
Brown has 6 years at an AAV of $5.875 million. He's barely a 3rd liner anymore hitting ~27 points in 3 seasons in a row. I don't think he's remotely movable. Maybe if they eat half the money and package Toffoli lol
- Mononoke

yeah i get the intangibles and all but that contract is a killer.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 25 @ 2:26 PM ET
I can see it from Bradfords side.

They probably promised him a bunch of things, like using all these picks to help solidify things like receivers and line help. But now those picks have been used to solidify bradfords replacement.

The eagles brought this on themselves.

- J35Bacher

In what world could Bradford think a 2 year deal means you're the guy in the future? Any reasonable player would realize a 2 year deal means you're cannon fodder until the next guy comes in. Bradford is getting paid a poop ton of money for accomplishing nothing in his career AND he's a guy that has made excuses at EVERY level for why he's failed.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 25 @ 2:26 PM ET
Bill or anyone else,

Who from the phantoms is probably getting a look for a roster spot(forwards) next season?

I know Leier but anyone else you think could earn a spot with a good camp?

- J35Bacher


Konecny or Martel maybe from my view of contracted players.
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