I have inside Intel that says different
- LeftCoaster

You have said it before yourself, you usually don't take Dmen in the first round unless they are sure things.

You have said it before yourself, you usually don't take Dmen in the first round unless they are sure things.
- VANTEL

I definitely agree with not drafting them with a top five pick. A lot of risk involved.

Just some food for thought oh wise-one, none of the top five point producers on defence this year were first round picks. There's lots of good dmen out there, you've just gotta find them.

So I disagree with your assessment. Drafting top five, sure, take BPA. If moving down, you take Bean or another offensive dman late in the first or early second.
- LeftCoaster

I think this is what I am telling you don't waste a first round pick on Bean

I miss Nucker, he was always up for a good prospects chat....come back Nucker!

I miss Phucker, he was alwYs up for a good prospects chat....come back Phucker!
- LeftCoaster

Careful of what you wish for.

I think this is what I am telling you don't waste a first round pick on Bean
- VANTEL

Oh..ok, but I said we trade down, say to the 10 to 13 range (Carolina) and get a second first round pick (Carolina via LA). So now we're drafting 12th and 23rd. Take Logan Brown with the 12th and Bean or offensive dman with the 23rd.

That's my scenario.

I think this is what I am telling you don't waste a first round pick on Bean
- VANTEL

Hard to call it a waste before he's even been drafted.. especially if he turns into a top pairing dman.

Careful of what you wish for.
- Marwood

I never had an issue with the kid, I like debating with him. He whined about management a lot but I'd just counter his points with my own.

Oh..ok, but I said we trade down, say to the 10 to 13 range and get a second first round pick. So now we're drafting 12th and 23rd. Take Logan Brown with the 12th and Bean or offensive dman with the 23rd.

That's my scenario.
- LeftCoaster

With the 23 Rd pick i still wouldn't take bean , I would take Neimelainen . With our second round pick I would take Logan Stanley or Carter Hart

With the 23 Rd pick i still wouldn't take bean , I would take Neimelainen . With our second round pick I would take Logan Stanley or Carter Hart
- VANTEL

Stanley is huge but provides little offence, Hart is not an organizational need with Demko and Markstrom.

Team NEEDS an offensive dman. Draft a goalie in the later rounds.

Stanley is huge but provides little offence, Hart is not an organizational need with Demko and Markstrom.

Team NEEDS an offensive dman. Draft a goalie in the later rounds.
- LeftCoaster

Stanley and Neimelainen provide grit and shut down. Canucks did pick up Larsen and even Stecher for some offence.

You can never have enough goalies. Ask the Habs how their season went after Price got injured. After Demko it is Bachman . No thanks

Stanley is huge but provides little offence, Hart is not an organizational need with Demko and Markstrom.

Team NEEDS an offensive dman. Draft a goalie in the later rounds.
- LeftCoaster

Cam dineen is an interesting guy at 33, haven't seen him play but from what I've read and stats show great offensive ability.

Stanley and Neimelainen provide grit and shut down. Canucks did pick up Larsen and even Stecher for some offence.

You can never have enough goalies. Ask the Habs how their season went after Price got injured. After Demko it is Bachman . No thanks
- VANTEL

Stetcher is a all round undersized D but I don't think he can be called an offensive guy.
Larsen will be interesting to see but still a long shot, I think we definitely need to go for high end talent over size on a D in the 2nd round.

Stetcher is a all round undersized D but I don't think he can be called an offensive guy.
Larsen will be interesting to see but still a long shot, I think we definitely need to go for high end talent over size on a D in the 2nd round.
- belcherbd

First of all Bean is two inches taller only than TS.

Secondly Bean is not ranked any lower than 17 th on any scouting site so forget about drafting him 23 Rd or second round.

First of all Bean is two inches taller only than TS.

Secondly Bean is not ranked any lower than 17 th on any scouting site so forget about drafting him 23 Rd or second round.
- VANTEL

I like Bean in the middle of the first but I agree he won't be available @33 but also wouldn't take him or any D this draft in top 5.

I was talking about offensive D I general not specifically Bean.

Stanley and Neimelainen provide grit and shut down. Canucks did pick up Larsen and even Stecher for some offence.

You can never have enough goalies. Ask the Habs how their season went after Price got injured. After Demko it is Bachman . No thanks
- VANTEL

You don't need to waste first and second round picks on shutdown defensemen, that's nuts, you can pick them up via trade or free agency. When you're organization needs an offensive dman you draft him because they are easy to find.

Goaltending prospects can be had in the third and fourth rounds. Drafting an 18 year old goalie isn't going to help you for at least four or five years. Thus you don't take them early in the draft unless you're sure they're the real deal….which is near impossible.

Demko in the second round was a steal!!

Stecher is a long shot to even make the NHL let alone provide offence.

I like Bean in the middle of the first but I agree he won't be available @33 but also wouldn't take him or any D this draft in top 5.

I was talking about offensive D I general not specifically Bean.
- belcherbd

We had the 7 th worst goals against this year with some pretty good goaltending. How many games did we have 40-50 shots against. Yes goal production on the back end is a big concern but so is shut down D

We had the 7 th worst goals against this year with some pretty good goaltending. How many games did we have 40-50 shots against. Yes goal production on the back end is a big concern but so is shut down D
- VANTEL

That has everything to do with puck possession, our forwards didn't have the puck a lot and they didn't defend well enough. We need dmen to transition the puck to the forwards and for them to maintain possession of it. You don't get a minus if you've got the puck on your stick.

You don't need to waste first and second round picks on shutdown defensemen, that's nuts, you can pick them up via trade or free agency. When you're organization needs an offensive dman you draft him because they are easy to find.

Goaltending prospects can be had in the third and fourth rounds. Drafting an 18 year old goalie isn't going to help you for at least four or five years. Thus you don't take them early in the draft unless you're sure they're the real deal….which is near impossible.

Demko in the second round was a steal!!

Stecher is a long shot to even make the NHL let alone provide offence.
- LeftCoaster

But you want to waste a first round pick on a wild card like Bean .


Canucks shut down sucked just as much as it point production from the back end.

But you want to waste a first round pick on a wild card like Bean .


Canucks shut down sucked just as much as it point production from the back end.
- VANTEL

He's not a "wild card"

He's a highly ranked defenseman in a good draft. Taking him mid to late first is not a risk at all. As I said, top five, no way, you pick the BPA which is a forward.

Mid February Bean was ranked ahead of Sergachev fyi…

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-mid...ped-by-big-three-1.435206

The more I research Logan Brown the more I'm intrigued by his size and skill! A lot of quality kids out there this draft beyond those top three kids.
- LeftCoaster

The kid looks amazing....too bad he will go between 10-15. Same as Jost. Brown is best friends with Chyrchun....if we could trade down and take both that would work

We had the 7 th worst goals against this year with some pretty good goaltending. How many games did we have 40-50 shots against. Yes goal production on the back end is a big concern but so is shut down D
- VANTEL

That's valid, I just think those shutdown guys are much easier to find....most shut down guys in the league were high end producers in Jr. If Tryamkin and Pedan are able to develop they be that mold, likely brisbois, olsen, Neil as well.

Dubois
- VanHockeyGuy

I'm leery about taking Dubois...came out of no where and he plays in the worst league...feel better about Txachuk

He doesn't need to explain with his credentials. If Vantel doesn't want him then neither does the rest of us.
In Vantel we trust.
- Marwood

I completely stopped forming my own opinions. What's the point?

He's not a "wild card"

He's a highly ranked defenseman in a good draft. Taking him mid to late first is not a risk at all. As I said, top five, no way, you pick the BPA which is a forward.
- LeftCoaster

It's all moot , Canucks are drafting top 6 and not taking Bean . He will probably go in top 15. Teams will be selecting Dmen in this draft but there are no stars that stand out.