Disagree, the Canucks GM's throughout their history haven't drafted well, end of storey. They haven't put the right resources in place, people, they haven't developed well and they've mistreated a few top picks in Bure and Umberger.

Bottom line is they've made some horrendous selections when said higher rated player was available. Kopitar being a great example. Bourdon was rated below Anze but Nonis felt they needed D so he picked Luc. Plain and simple it was a bad pick, not because Luc passed, because Kopitar was the BPA.
- LeftCoaster

Lefty, any team can play that game of passing over player for others.

You can't compare Burke picking 4th overall then 2&3 the following year, 2 23rd picks and a 10th overall to Nonis picking 26, 10, 14, 25, to Gillis picking 10, 22, 26, 29, 9, 24.

all the while each year is different levels of talent.

No disagreement the canucks haven't drafted well or developed but to say that one regime was better than the other I disagree with.

I think it was Joey Keneworth on 1040 this morning, said in chatting with Linden and Benning that was his takeaway.
- LeftCoaster

Cool, thanks. If anything that convinces me more that this team absolutely needs to pick a fwd with that first pick.

Lefty, any team can play that game of passing over player for others.

You can't compare Burke picking 4th overall then 2&3 the following year, 2 23rd picks and a 10th overall to Nonis picking 26, 10, 14, 25, to Gillis picking 10, 22, 26, 29, 9, 24.

all the while each year is different levels of talent.

No disagreement the canucks haven't drafted well or developed but to say that one regime was better than the other I disagree with.
- belcherbd

Nonis > Benning?

Do you really need to wait 5 years to make this call?

Lefty, any team can play that game of passing over player for others.

You can't compare Burke picking 4th overall then 2&3 the following year, 2 23rd picks and a 10th overall to Nonis picking 26, 10, 14, 25, to Gillis picking 10, 22, 26, 29, 9, 24.

all the while each year is different levels of talent.

No disagreement the canucks haven't drafted well or developed but to say that one regime was better than the other I disagree with.
- belcherbd

This I agree with. Even today, us average Joe's have the ability to watch nearly any game these kids play online, on youtube, contact people at the games, etc. Things have changed from Burke's years on access to draft eligible players, and while some put more resources in Europe in the 90's (Detroit) they could have easily struck-out in those circumstances and looked foolish. Gillis seemed to be pretty innovative in his efforts, but in a win-now situation he had less desire to draft well and more to find the final pieces, I would be interested to see the alternate reality where he constructs the rebuild

Lefty, any team can play that game of passing over player for others.

You can't compare Burke picking 4th overall then 2&3 the following year, 2 23rd picks and a 10th overall to Nonis picking 26, 10, 14, 25, to Gillis picking 10, 22, 26, 29, 9, 24.

all the while each year is different levels of talent.

No disagreement the canucks haven't drafted well or developed but to say that one regime was better than the other I disagree with.
- belcherbd

There's data that shows or backs up what I'm saying, Benning will be judged as well, in three more years.

But I agree there's a certain element of luck involved. Chicago, as an example, was lucky St. Louis and Pittsburgh passed on Johnathan Toews, but they still made the pick.

Did anyone happen to catch the Hawks/Blues game last night? and feel a pang of jealousy Great finish and very entertaining contest. It will be very interesting to see if the Blues might collapse again (personally I don't think so, as this is a very much different Blues team than years past, but you of course never know)

Nonis > Benning?

Do you really need to wait 5 years to make this call?
- CanuckDon

I do believe Benning is a better scout but yes I will wait before labeling Boeser the next Perry, Demko the next Schneider and Tryamkin the next Chara.

For a years after they were drafted many thought Edler was the next Lidstrom, Schneider the next Luongo and Grabner the next Bure.

Nonis gets a lot of flak for his drafting based off his 2007 draft headlined by Patrick White but tend to forget he did okay in his other years, not great but not terrible.

Did anyone happen to catch the Hawks/Blues game last night? and feel a pang of jealousy Great finish and very entertaining contest. It will be very interesting to see if the Blues might collapse again (personally I don't think so, as this is a very much different Blues team than years past, but you of course never know)
- Zogg

Great hockey...I hope they can close it out!

Did anyone happen to catch the Hawks/Blues game last night? and feel a pang of jealousy Great finish and very entertaining contest. It will be very interesting to see if the Blues might collapse again (personally I don't think so, as this is a very much different Blues team than years past, but you of course never know)
- Zogg

It was great. This first round has made me realize how boring some of those Canuck games were this year. The 3rd period for St.Louis was awesome to watch, I found myself yelling when they tied it up, great hockey

I believe Benning has scouted Tkachuk and Pierre-Luc Dubois extensively, if we don't get a top three look for him to draft one of those kids.
- LeftCoaster

Then I hope it's

There's data that shows or backs up what I'm saying, Benning will be judged as well, in three more years.

But I agree there's a certain element of luck involved. Chicago, as an example, was lucky St. Louis and Pittsburgh passed on Johnathan Toews, but they still made the pick.
- LeftCoaster

Is there data saying one GM drafted better than another GM in different era's, with different draft positions ?

Like I said I think there is valid comparison between say Van's drafting in 2007 and Calgary, St. Louis, Nashville, Detroit etc. who picked in the same range but I don't think you can compare picking 25th in 2007 to picking 23 in 2003 and so on and so forth.

I do believe Benning is a better scout but yes I will wait before labeling Boeser the next Perry, Demko the next Schneider and Tryamkin the next Chara.

For a years after they were drafted many thought Edler was the next Lidstrom, Schneider the next Luongo and Grabner the next Bure.

Nonis gets a lot of flak for his drafting based off his 2007 draft headlined by Patrick White but tend to forget he did okay in his other years, not great but not terrible.
- belcherbd

Ok doesn't get it done, thus 0 Cups in 45 years! Drafting is the key to any successful franchise, it shouldn't take 43 years to learn this.

And for the record, Nonis's record was terrible at the draft. 2007, zero, nothing, not one player played a single game, 2006 he did his usual off the board and took Grabner, who's been an ok player, nothing else. 2005 he selected Bourdon, we'll never know but we do know he passed on the higher rated Kopitar, he also picked Raymond. 2004 he admitted they stuck to Burkes draft list, which was actually a good draft.

I do believe Benning is a better scout but yes I will wait before labeling Boeser the next Perry, Demko the next Schneider and Tryamkin the next Chara.

For a years after they were drafted many thought Edler was the next Lidstrom, Schneider the next Luongo and Grabner the next Bure.

Nonis gets a lot of flak for his drafting based off his 2007 draft headlined by Patrick White but tend to forget he did okay in his other years, not great but not terrible.
- belcherbd

Nonis was terrible...awful for Toronto as well. Benning is a better GM, I don't need to wait

Is there data saying one GM drafted better than another GM in different era's, with different draft positions ?

Like I said I think there is valid comparison between say Van's drafting in 2007 and Calgary, St. Louis, Nashville, Detroit etc. who picked in the same range but I don't think you can compare picking 25th in 2007 to picking 23 in 2003 and so on and so forth.
- belcherbd

Yes....different era's mean little to me because in the past ten years or so there's been a ton more data available to the Canucks yet their draft record is worse now than it was in the 70's.

Canucks management had a higher percentage "hit" record 30 years ago. You either put resources into it or you don't. You're good at it or your not.

Sorry we'll agree to disagree, the previous GM's for our team, for me, can be compared. Quinn was a poor drafter (yet still had some success) because he was a meat and potatoes guy.

Much like Burke, trades were his bread and butter.

Did anyone happen to catch the Hawks/Blues game last night? and feel a pang of jealousy Great finish and very entertaining contest. It will be very interesting to see if the Blues might collapse again (personally I don't think so, as this is a very much different Blues team than years past, but you of course never know)
- Zogg

In reality the Hawks have Kane and Toews up front...sure Panarin is good, but how much is that Kane? They've got Keith and Seabrook and some good supporting players.

We've got our Toews in Horvat. We will be drafting our Kane this year. Keith is really the only missing piece. Our goalies are better, so although it seems we are way off, we aren't that far away.

I'd say 3-5 years and we are back competing and winning playoff rounds.

In reality the Hawks have Kane and Toews up front...sure Panarin is good, but how much is that Kane? They've got Keith and Seabrook and some good supporting players.

We've got our Toews in Horvat. We will be drafting our Kane this year. Keith is really the only missing piece. Our goalies are better, so although it seems we are way off, we aren't that far away.

I'd say 3-5 years and we are back competing and winning playoff rounds.
- Scooby_Doo

In reality the Hawks have Kane and Toews up front...sure Panarin is good, but how much is that Kane? They've got Keith and Seabrook and some good supporting players.

We've got our Toews in Horvat. We will be drafting our Kane this year. Keith is really the only missing piece. Our goalies are better, so although it seems we are way off, we aren't that far away.

I'd say 3-5 years and we are back competing and winning playoff rounds.
- Scooby_Doo

Scoob, I normally agree with you but a lot of dominos need to fall in place for this unicorn-pooping-rainbow plan to actually work.

In reality the Hawks have Kane and Toews up front...sure Panarin is good, but how much is that Kane? They've got Keith and Seabrook and some good supporting players.

We've got our Toews in Horvat. We will be drafting our Kane this year. Keith is really the only missing piece. Our goalies are better, so although it seems we are way off, we aren't that far away.

I'd say 3-5 years and we are back competing and winning playoff rounds.
- Scooby_Doo

Nonis was terrible...awful for Toronto as well. Benning is a better GM, I don't need to wait
- CanuckDon

I actually think Hall will be the one to be traded from the Edmonton Core.

Could get a #2 D-man
- classic321

They should deal hall eberle and yakupov. Clearly that locker room needs a make over not just the defense.

Scoob, I normally agree with you but a lot of dominos need to fall in place for this unicorn-pooping-rainbow plan to actually work.
- Beatle_john

Scoob, I normally agree with you but a lot of dominos need to fall in place for this unicorn-pooping-rainbow plan to actually work.
- Beatle_john

I dont think he's wrong. 3-5 years is a long time and he is right that our goaltending situation is better than Chicago's has been in the past 5+ years. The young players look good and if natural progression continues, along with adding a few top prospects, being competitive again wont be far off

I dont think he's wrong. 3-5 years is a long time and he is right that our goaltending situation is better than Chicago's has been in the past 5+ years. The young players look good and if natural progression continues, along with adding a few top prospects, being competitive again wont be far off
- WhiteLie

He's trolling to see who'll bite.

Horvat is our Toews Toews had almost as many goals in his rookie season (24) as Horvat's had in two seasons (29).

He's the worst talent evaluator on here
- LeftCoaster

How many bets in a row have you won?

He's trolling to see who'll bite.

Horvat is our Toews Toews had almost as many goals in his rookie season (24) as Horvat's had in two seasons (29).
- LeftCoaster

He is a poor mans Toews...we have Laine and/ or Matthews, CHi does not