You always have a good pulse on your team. Is this the right Coach or can you upgrade at some point ?
- B2B76

Seriously the most useful, educated, and well thought out post this morning

While I agree that it is pretty much always a few people making everyone look bad. There seems to be a much larger and more consistent "few people" among the Flyers fans. Their reputation is well-deserved, and not new.
- Aetherial

I pointed this out last night to a Leafs fan. I am a jays fan and last year in the Divisional round of the playoffs, game 5 after a call that went against them, Jays fans littered the field and threw beer cans from the 500 level. One full can almost hit a baby.

Not a peep in the media about how Toronto fans are classless and always do this. It's a convenient narrative for the media to say they throw snowballs at Santa claus and Philly is the worst or only city that does this.

How do they suck? They made the playoffs in a rebuilding year. Maybe the Oilers should try it rather than bottoming out year after year. They ran into a superior cup contender and they just can't compete with them.
- Hextall271

Exactly. What is it about the Flyers losing in the playoffs that have Leafs fans thinking that anybody gives a damn about what fans of maybe to most inept franchise of the modern era -- seriously, not a single finals appearance since expansion? Seriously? -- have to say?

I'd rather listen to to 2Real break down Steve Mason's mechanics than listen to a Leafs fan talk about winning and losing in the playoffs -- how the hell do they even know what that last sentence means?

While I agree that it is pretty much always a few people making everyone look bad. There seems to be a much larger and more consistent "few people" among the Flyers fans. Their reputation is well-deserved, and not new.
- Aetherial

"Seems" is the operative word because of the level of attention that gets paid to it. However, the group of idiots here are downright proud to be such and are oblivious to the fact that everyone else -- the team and its current and former players included, if they were speaking off-the-record -- finds them to be embarrassments.

Bernie Parent's family in attendance last night got up and left last night witnessing the display that was going on. Ed Snider's family was there. Think about that one for a moment. Who does the idiot contingent "think" is in their corner, other than a few fellow idiots?

Was at the travesty of a game tonight. Few things.

1.) The ceremony for Snider was great. Got the message across without running too long; fans seemed real appreciative. The moment of silence had a few idiots yelling during it. I'll never understand. Do you really think that your "F this team" or "Win it for Ed" is what peaople want to hear? I think everyone would appreciate it much more if you adhered to the moment of silence; you're not bigger than the moment.

2.) The bracelet light show was pretty cool. I'm sure kids are much more appreciative of it, but it definitely added some entertainment value. But a few people on here are stating that the bracelets were in remembrance of Snider. I may have missed a press release or something, but those didn't seem to be related to Snider. They weren't used during his ceremony. They were used during pre-game show (before the ceremony), right before the 3rd period started, and random times when music would play (and they also flashed blue during the Peco Powerplay!). It doesn't justify fan's throwing them on the ice, but just stating that these weren't related to the Snider remembrance. Which leads me to #3

3.) People throwing the bracelets on the ice were embarrassing. Pitiful. There were at least 100-200 bracelets thrown on the ice. Lou Nolan addressed the crowd, trying to urge the word Class a few times. To no avail, they kept coming down and Nolan definitely said something to the effect of "Nice Job. The Caps are now going on a 2-minute powerplay". For some reason, the fans ate that up and patted themselves on the back. Which leds me to #4.

4.) It seems like the majority (or vocal minority) of those at the game are 21-25 year old bros who can't hold their liquor. I'm only 29, so I'm not harkening back to the 80's or 70's, as I have no frame of reference. But everyone just wants to start the next chant with a curse word mixed in. Every penalty called against the Flyers is just unimaginably wrong. I remember going to a bunch of games in the 2010 run and I loved the atmosphere. Not so much this time around.

5.) What to say that hasn't been said. This team can't compete with the Caps. Mason was pretty frustrating; I'm completely up for starting Neuvirth just to get something going. Scoring two goals in three games is hilarious. Going 0-infinity on the powerplay is also hilarious.

Anyway, here's to hoping they can pull out a win in game 4 and show the young guys what effort looks like in a playoff series.
- steelydan

I absolutely expect them to learn from this -- how was Hakstol supposed to learn what it's like to be outgunned in the playoffs if you never get there and never see exactly how much a talented, focused team can turn it up?

The Flyers were 2-2 against the Caps in the regular season. Now everyone is learning or getting reminded that there is no correlation to the regular season and the postseason and that everything is quicker, faster, more physical.

I kniw I saw Nick Cousins making quicker plays. Brandon Manning, for all his warts, was making quicker plays. So was Ghost.

Laughton was using his speed better. Raffl was trying to make plays, possess the puck, instead of immediately dumping it in and knowing you weren't gonna get it back.

I thought Schenn had a decent game, and even though he isn't part of the future, I saw Sam Gagner trying to figure it out, make some plays, use his body a little.

Yes, they got destroyed. But I know I saw young players out there competing and getting just a little better, from the repetitions and experience.

They are not all going to be on the team, but this experience has been valuable for Hakstol and the players who will remain -- as I said, I know I see Cousins and Ghost trying to figure out what they can and can't do. That's learning against one of the better collections of talent I have seen in the cap era. Washington is freaking good
- AllInForFlyers

Thank you for this pearl of clarity in a morning sea of over-expectation.

Exactly. What is it about the Flyers losing in the playoffs that have Leafs fans thinking that anybody gives a damn about what fans of maybe to most inept franchise of the modern era -- seriously, not a single finals appearance since expansion? Seriously? -- have to say?

I'd rather listen to to 2Real break down Steve Mason's mechanics than listen to a Leafs fan talk about winning and losing in the playoffs -- how the hell do they even know what that last sentence means?
- AllInForFlyers

giroux and voracek both need to get their heads outta their asses and mason as well
- 2Real

Roo, Simmer and Mason willed this team into playoffs. They were playing PO stile of hockey for more than a month.

They must be simply drained both physically and emotionally.

I would love for this team to win, but even if they don't I will applaud them at the end of the season for what they have done. Remember, they were not supposed to be at the dance.

Giroux and Mason deserve full support of this fan base rather than annihilating them while they are down.

Roo, Simmer and Mason willed this team into playoffs. They were playing PO stile of hockey for more than a month.

They must be simply drained both physically and emotionally.

I would love for this team to win, but even if they don't I will applaud them at the end of the season for what they have done. Remember, they were not supposed to be at the dance.

Giroux and Mason deserve full support of this fan base rather than annihilating them while they are down.
- missingmike

This is a post I can believe in

Hopefully the Flyers have learned that the playing a passive box on the PK is not going to work and change it up. Maybe a few roster changes so that a few more of the long term guys get a taste of the speed of playoffs.

Hopefully Hextall uses his draft picks well and is able to pick up some forwards with size, speed, and skill. The forward depth is the biggest hole in this team going forward. This series should show the Flyers exactly how far they are from being contenders and hopefully they learn from it.

I don't know if they should start Mason tomorrow or not. He gave up 2 more bad goals last night. I do include the unfortunate bounce off the wall because he batted it right to the caps player. He, unintentionally, made a bad situation worse. I think the Flyers are done and the last thing Mason's confidence needs is to be hung out to dry in game 4 or god forbid let in another goal from the blue line and have that to think about all summer.

My favorite part is that all the fans from other teams are coming here saying poop to us actual Flyer fans. People that follow the team and care about the team and Snider. You guys really think any of the idiots that couldn't stay silent or threw stuff onto the ice are going to come on here to read what you are saying? Show some class of your own and stop trying to entice people. I am sure you each have people from your fan bases you dont like and I can assure you that however much you hate the idiots that acted the way they did last night, we hate them more.

Exactly. What is it about the Flyers losing in the playoffs that have Leafs fans thinking that anybody gives a damn about what fans of maybe to most inept franchise of the modern era -- seriously, not a single finals appearance since expansion? Seriously? -- have to say?

I'd rather listen to to 2Real break down Steve Mason's mechanics than listen to a Leafs fan talk about winning and losing in the playoffs -- how the hell do they even know what that last sentence means?
- AllInForFlyers

Here's the thing. In recent year, ESPN did an analysis which had the Leafs as the worst franchise in all of the major four NA sports. The WORST?? Because of cost of tickets, loyal following and EPIC futility. I can't take them seriously when they come on and troll. The hockey news did something as well a few years back that catalogued it all.. it's amazing really. Not only have they had a huge cup drought, they've not been to the Final once, recently went an entire CBA without making the playoffs (only team to do so), they've also had no major award winners to speak of for eons. Harold Ballard, John Ferguson Jr, Raycroft trade, Kessel trade and on and on and on.

In comparison to the Flyers? Since 67, 2 cups, 6 other final appearances, Vezinas, Conn Smythes, President's trophy, harts, and a 5-1 head to head playoff record all time.

Let's just say this. If I was Leafs fan I would have stopped watching them a long time ago, and many of my friends who are have done so. The ones who still say they are fans have two teams. The Leafs and a playoff team to cheer for. I kid you not. If that doesn't say it all, what does?

My favorite part is that all the fans from other teams are coming here saying poop to us actual Flyer fans. People that follow the team and care about the team and Snider. You guys really think any of the idiots that couldn't stay silent or threw stuff onto the ice are going to come on here to read what you are saying? Show some class of your own and stop trying to entice people. I am sure you each have people from your fan bases you dont like and I can assure you that however much you hate the idiots that acted the way they did last night, we hate them more.
- YuenglingJagr

This, too, is a post that I can believe in

My favorite part is that all the fans from other teams are coming here saying poop to us actual Flyer fans. People that follow the team and care about the team and Snider. You guys really think any of the idiots that couldn't stay silent or threw stuff onto the ice are going to come on here to read what you are saying? Show some class of your own and stop trying to entice people. I am sure you each have people from your fan bases you dont like and I can assure you that however much you hate the idiots that acted the way they did last night, we hate them more.
- YuenglingJagr

WILL EVERYONE JUST CALM DOWN
- Streit2ThePoint

I was at the playoff game in 1971 versus Chicago when the Flyers were destroyed by the Hawks 6-0....this series is just as bad...I dont think Washington has worked up a sweat

Here's the thing. In recent year, ESPN did an analysis which had the Leafs as the worst franchise in all of the major four NA sports. The WORST?? Because of cost of tickets, loyal following and EPIC futility. I can't take them seriously when they come on and troll. The hockey news did something as well a few years back that catalogued it all.. it's amazing really. Not only have they had a huge cup drought, they've not been to the Final once, recently went an entire CBA without making the playoffs (only team to do so), they've also had no major award winners to speak of for eons. Harold Ballard, John Ferguson Jr, Raycroft trade, Kessel trade and on and on and on.

In comparison to the Flyers? Since 67, 2 cups, 6 other final appearances, Vezinas, Conn Smythes, President's trophy, harts, and a 5-1 head to head playoff record all time.

Let's just say this. If I was Leafs fan I would have stopped watching them a long time ago, and many of my friends who are have done so. The ones who still say they are fans have two teams. The Leafs and a playoff team to cheer for. I kid you not. If that doesn't say it all, what does?
- Hextall271

Exactly -- give it a freaking rest, worry about the draft lottery, pray that you live to experience the playoffs more than once every decade

I pointed this out last night to a Leafs fan. I am a jays fan and last year in the Divisional round of the playoffs, game 5 after a call that went against them, Jays fans littered the field and threw beer cans from the 500 level. One full can almost hit a baby.

Not a peep in the media about how Toronto fans are classless and always do this. It's a convenient narrative for the media to say they throw snowballs at Santa claus and Philly is the worst or only city that does this.
- Hextall271

A Toronto fan rode in here on a high horse lecturing about etiquette. Thank you for showing him the door.

My favorite part is that all the fans from other teams are coming here saying poop to us actual Flyer fans. People that follow the team and care about the team and Snider. You guys really think any of the idiots that couldn't stay silent or threw stuff onto the ice are going to come on here to read what you are saying? Show some class of your own and stop trying to entice people. I am sure you each have people from your fan bases you dont like and I can assure you that however much you hate the idiots that acted the way they did last night, we hate them more.
- YuenglingJagr

See my post about the blue Jays in last year's playoffs. That was never said to be all Toronto fans, just a few idiots. And I agree. When it's philly. It's every fan and they're all classless. Just a convenient narrative.

Of note, I found Bruins fans to be crazy obnoxious and belligerent towards opposing fans. More than I saw in philly.

I was at the playoff game in 1971 versus Chicago when the Flyers were destroyed by the Hawks 6-0....this series is just as bad...I dont think Washington has worked up a sweat
- vejim

While I would agree that Washington hasn't had to shift into high gear -- yes, I still think they have another one to hit if they needed it -- I can't say I remember the Chicago game.

Because I was 2 years old, Old Man

There is a plan in place that's being followed to a T. They are in great shape. This series will long be forgotten in a couple years.

Hextall didn't make moves at the deadline cause he stuck to his plan.

WILL EVERYONE JUST CALM DOWN
- Streit2ThePoint

I'm calm dude, perfectly calm

I was at the playoff game in 1971 versus Chicago when the Flyers were destroyed by the Hawks 6-0....this series is just as bad...I dont think Washington has worked up a sweat
- vejim

They are loaded with elite superstars we don't have any.

I was at the playoff game in 1971 versus Chicago when the Flyers were destroyed by the Hawks 6-0....this series is just as bad...I dont think Washington has worked up a sweat
- vejim

Well, I remember 2000, 2001 and 2002. They hurt more IMO because we had good teams expected to contend. We choked in 2000 and the Lindros divorce was on. 2001 we got dee stroyed by Buffalo in the elim game. 2002 we couldn't muster more than 2 goals in the series.

This one I'm more ok with. We're rebuilding and just can't compete with a superior Washington team. The tank is also prob empty. I hope the next game doesn't end 8 0 but it very well might.

There is a plan in place that's bring followed to a T. They are in great shape. This series will long be forgotten in a couple years.

Hextall didn't make moves at the deadline cause he stuck to his plan.
- Just5

I wouldn't have minded if a deal had been made if there was one there, but at some point, you have to trust the GM to do what's right

That's not forever; I lost faith in Sam Hinkie. But not until he showed that he clearly didn't quite grasp what to do after tearing it all down

Hextall has worked wonders in restocking the system and getting rid of bad contracts through creative means.

The hardest part comes next: Finding ways to improve in a capped system. But he hasn't failed nearly enough for me to lose faith in what he's doing

"Seems" is the operative word because of the level of attention that gets paid to it. However, the group of idiots here are downright proud to be such and are oblivious to the fact that everyone else -- the team and its current and former players included, if they were speaking off-the-record -- finds them to be embarrassments.

Bernie Parent's family in attendance last night got up and left last night witnessing the display that was going on. Ed Snider's family was there. Think about that one for a moment. Who does the idiot contingent "think" is in their corner, other than a few fellow idiots?
- bmeltzer

Save your breath. It's not worth the effort wondering about things like this. After 52 on this earth I have come to accept the fact that some people are just idiots.