I agree. So far I'm not impressed but I'm not turning on him yet. He has up until about Christmas for me. Then I start to question him.
- Iggysbff

He brought in a legit top four defender in Sekera which is more than Mac-T was able to do.

This is not all about his deals, but his dealings...

BOLD MOVES!!!

Norris Schultz...

Hardlining Petry, whom I believe could have been kept at a reasonable price/term, until the decidedly onesided opinion of other Dmen.

I think he didn't handle Dubnyk overly well. The talent was there. Though I think he salvaged that fail with Hendricks.

Holding onto Leon for too long during the season.

Broissoit is not there yet so I don't call it awesome until it actually is.

Perron was a good deal.

Like I said, he was basically middling in overall grading, and I am not a MacT hater at all. I actually hope that he is learning with PC and making good connections in the league to suit himself well in the future.
- McSavioursPupil

He hated Dubnyk from day 1

Nicholson said the day PC was fired by Boston Lowe went to Nicholsons office and suggested they talk to him for the president role. There was no original intent to hire him as GM. It was only after PC insisted on autonomy that they went that direction.
- Iggysbff

I am searching for this and I cannot find a single piece that corroborates this.

This is not all about his deals, but his dealings...

BOLD MOVES!!!

Norris Schultz...

Hardlining Petry, whom I believe could have been kept at a reasonable price/term, until the decidedly onesided opinion of other Dmen.

I think he didn't handle Dubnyk overly well. The talent was there. Though I think he salvaged that fail with Hendricks.

Holding onto Leon for too long during the season.

Broissoit is not there yet so I don't call it awesome until it actually is.

Perron was a good deal.

Like I said, he was basically middling in overall grading, and I am not a MacT hater at all. I actually hope that he is learning with PC and making good connections in the league to suit himself well in the future.
- McSavioursPupil

One of his biggest failing to me was he was always too open to the public and said too much. We all said when he got hired and said bold moves that it was easier said than done.

Dubnyk has admitted he had a big part in his crash. He was stressed out with a new kid at home and a wife was going through issues. He lost focus and it took a long time to get it back. Good on him.

Holding on to Leon was for his own good. They didn't want to send him back to PA. When they were able to get things worked out with Kelowna they sent him down. Marty McSorley said in an interview that Mact doesn't get enough credit for LDs development and the work to put him in a place to succeed.

Petry wanted paid as a top line guy. I would have loved for him to sign a reasonable deal to stay here. But he refused.

seems like a lot of butt sex is happening in here

I am searching for this and I cannot find a single piece that corroborates this.
- McSavioursPupil

It was all part of the pressers when they hired PC. I believe it was on tsn or oilers.com but don't recall. Not going to go look for it as I don't know if they even archive that kind of stuff.

He brought in a legit top four defender in Sekera which is more than Mac-T was able to do.
- ReveenV2

Yeah who were the big UFAs knocking down our door in previous years asking to sign here?

Oh that's right none...which is why we got the ones that would come for an overpayment.

Where is the depth in trade able assets without butchering what we already have?
Seriously?

Nuge or ebs
First
Yaks

Those are 3 fairly valuable pieces (depending on assuming dealing only one. U deal both nuge/ebs you've got 4)


Here's the thing, you don't believe there's middle ground. Someone says try and be prudent in your asset management, and the response is the obvious we need to trade forwards for defence!!
No ones disputing that.
But again, we can both maintain solid depth at forward AND acquire defenders

I'm as desperate to take a step forward as anyone, but let's see big picture and try and also maintain the positives we do have while adding needs.
I'm not interested in the model the pens have mostly created in surrounding 2 studs with a bunch of plugs and early exits every year.

A step Furthur, not only has it been proven that depending on signing free agents is a fools errand if you're an oilers fan (until it's proven otherwise) but even if we could fill the holes we've created through some of the trades you've suggested up front, couldn't the same be said about filling the holes in the back?
- HB77

Okay well if you're so convinced that those pieces can get the job done, then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and throw some potential trades around. Because no team is giving a top 4 for Yak and the 1st.

He brought in a legit top four defender in Sekera which is more than Mac-T was able to do.
- ReveenV2

Mac-T brought in Eakins, so by comparison any GM that doesn't do something even remotely as (frank)ing stupid as that, is doing better than MacTarded.

Okay well if you're so convinced that those pieces can get the job done, then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and throw some potential trades around. Because no team is giving a top 4 for Yak and the 1st.
- 6ringslowe

The first this year and yak won't get a top 4!!?or you mean yaks and next years? Cause even then i disagree I think ....

No ones arguing yaks on his own is anywhere near that value, but you're crazy if you think the first isnt close in value...

I dunno, who's potentially available is the real question

Trouba, brodin, hamonic, vatanen/fowler, maybe even shattenkirk

A top 3 pick on its own could potentially get those done. All are potentially studs, but none are so great (even shattenkirk a who's the best of em all) that they don't have a drawback or two

Mac-T brought in Eakins, so by comparison any GM that doesn't do something even remotely as (frank)ing stupid as that, is doing better than MacTarded.
- leonkennedy

Just for argument sake, he was the hot commodity at the time

There were multiple "experienced" gms after his services. Mact just out bid them

Hindsight is always 20-20

Just for argument sake, he was the hot commodity at the time

There were multiple "experienced" gms after his services. Mact just out bid them

Hindsight is always 20-20
- HB77

My main issue isn't from hindsight, and seeing how awful it worked out, it is more from the fact he had the chance to put a stop to the revolving door of coaches, and give Kreuger at least a chance to see what he could have done.

Also which "experienced" gm's were after his services? Serious question.

My main issue isn't from hindsight, and seeing how awful it worked out, it is more from the fact he had the chance to put a stop to the revolving door of coaches, and give Kreuger at least a chance to see what he could have done.

Also which "experienced" gm's were after his services? Serious question.
- leonkennedy

fair enough

http://m.thestar.com/#/ar...omes_calling_feschuk.html

First thing I found

Too lazy to really do any research, but Dallas/Vancouver/nyr/edm all mentioned here

My main issue isn't from hindsight, and seeing how awful it worked out, it is more from the fact he had the chance to put a stop to the revolving door of coaches, and give Kreuger at least a chance to see what he could have done.

Also which "experienced" gm's were after his services? Serious question.
- leonkennedy

Its a fair argument that Kreuger should have been given another chance since he was 19-22-7 in that shortened season

Its a fair argument that Kreuger should have been given another chance since he was 19-22-7 in that shortened season
- RatedR80

He had a fantastic pp goin no doubt, but was pretty brutal 5v5

Also, after that Initial 20 where edm had already been playing together in the A, and everybody caught up, we were nosediving.
But nonetheless, I don't necessarily disagree he didn't deserve anothey shot.
But far from out of the the ordinary to bring in your own coach as an incoming gm

He had a fantastic pp goin no doubt, but was pretty brutal 5v5

Also, after that Initial 20 where edm had already been playing together in the A, and everybody caught up, we were nosediving.
But nonetheless, I don't necessarily disagree he didn't deserve anothey shot.
But far from out of the the ordinary to bring in your own coach as an incoming gm
- HB77

No its not and MacT had the right to make that choice and he did.....new management/gm/coach and we are still bottom 3

He had a fantastic pp goin no doubt, but was pretty brutal 5v5

Also, after that Initial 20 where edm had already been playing together in the A, and everybody caught up, we were nosediving.
But nonetheless, I don't necessarily disagree he didn't deserve anothey shot.
But far from out of the the ordinary to bring in your own coach as an incoming gm
- HB77

Edm didn't start very hot in those first few weeks. It was surprising becasue everyone thought they would have a large jump on everyone, and it didn't materialize.

It was the middle of the schedule that they caught fire...then lost all momentum at teh end with that brutal finish.

As for Kreuger....they should have kept him, but Eakins was the hottest commodity for HC spot that was out there.

Edm didn't start very hot in those first few weeks. It was surprising becasue everyone thought they would have a large jump on everyone, and it didn't materialize.

It was the middle of the schedule that they caught fire...then lost all momentum at teh end with that brutal finish.

As for Kreuger....they should have kept him, but Eakins was the hottest commodity for HC spot that was out there.
- McSavioursPupil

I stand corrected

The first this year and yak won't get a top 4!!?or you mean yaks and next years? Cause even then i disagree I think ....

No ones arguing yaks on his own is anywhere near that value, but you're crazy if you think the first isnt close in value...

I dunno, who's potentially available is the real question

Trouba, brodin, hamonic, vatanen/fowler, maybe even shattenkirk

A top 3 pick on its own could potentially get those done. All are potentially studs, but none are so great (even shattenkirk a who's the best of em all) that they don't have a drawback or two
- HB77

Historically teams don't trade top 4 defensemen for reclamation projects and hopeful prospects. They just don't. Look from the perspective of another team at a deal of Yakupov and the #2-3 overall pick for one of your top 4 defensemen. Why would any team make that trade? You're trading away a proven commodity to roll the dice on 2 maybes? I'm sorry keep dreaming its not gonna happen. On paper that trade might have fair valuation but on paper means squat in the real world as we know all too well.

Mac-T brought in Eakins, so by comparison any GM that doesn't do something even remotely as (frank)ing stupid as that, is doing better than MacTarded.
- leonkennedy

Historically teams don't trade top 4 defensemen for reclamation projects and hopeful prospects. They just don't. Look from the perspective of another team at a deal of Yakupov and the #2-3 overall pick for one of your defenseman. Why would any team make that trade? You're trading away a proven commodity to roll the dice on 2 maybes? I'm sorry keep dreaming its not gonna happen.
- 6ringslowe

Matthews couldn't get a "potential" top pairing guy like brodin or trouba ??!

Forget what the teams that have those assets actually want or need. We're talking straight up value.
You fundamentally misunderstand value if you believe this.
In fact, I believe you might be able to acquire a true top pairing guy now for an asset if that value.
Perception is reality. And like every year, a guy like laine has a ton gm's hard as eff for his potential. Matthews? Huge value

In fact, imo, those moves didn't historically not take place because said team wasn't willing to give up anything of value, but because said team with a potential kid that could be franchise, didn't think the offer was enough

Laine or pulujarvi ? Marginally less in value, but again, depending on needs, there's no doubt whatsoever the value is there

fair enough

http://m.thestar.com/#/ar...omes_calling_feschuk.html

First thing I found

Too lazy to really do any research, but Dallas/Vancouver/nyr/edm all mentioned here
- HB77

Yeah I can't actually remember the chatter from back then. If anything Mac-T did save all of those teams you mentioned, from making the mistake he did. Eakins first mistake was getting rid of all the donuts and delicious sugary snack foods in Rexall.

Yeah I can't actually remember the chatter from back then. If anything Mac-T did save all of those teams you mentioned, from making the mistake he did. Eakins first mistake was getting rid of all the donuts and delicious sugary snack foods in Rexall.
- leonkennedy

This post was a win

I have no comeback

Matthews couldn't get a "potential" top pairing guy like brodin or trouba ??!

Forget what the teams that have those assets actually want or need. We're talking straight up value.
You fundamentally misunderstand value if you believe this.
In fact, I believe you might be able to acquire a true top pairing guy now for an asset if that value.
Perception is reality. And like every year, a guy like laine has a ton gm's hard as eff for his potential. Matthews? Huge value

In fact, imo, those moves didn't historically not take place because said team wasn't willing to give up anything of value, but because said team with a potential kid that could be franchise, didn't think the offer was enough

Laine or pulujarvi ? Marginally less in value, but again, depending on needs, there's no doubt whatsoever the value is there
- HB77

I would draft Laine over Matthews almost 100 times out of a 100. He is boner Jams

I would draft Laine over Matthews almost 100 times out of a 100. He is boner Jams
- DDM-Coga

This guy