I'm pretty sure you've also said if given the chance to pick first, you would take Matthews
- WhiteLie

My stance like a few others on here is , I like Laine more than Mathews but i would never be the GM who did not draft Mathews

He would have been a 1st if he wasn't Russian. No one knew if he would leave Russia.
- sdoney

He was eligible to be drafted in 2012 and didnt get picked until 2014 and in the 3rd round no less. I dont think that has anything to do with him being Russian, people just had doubts on his progression

well.....Ive been saying for awhile now laine to me is the best player in this draft IMO. Vantel also has wanted laine.
Funny though, Vantel and I were also both the only people who knew who tryamkin was the last 2 years. And he's clearly the real deal.

Maybe more should listen to us on talent assesment and not so much what scouts say.....case in point, as of today how would tryamkin NOT go in the 1st round instead of 3rd.....
- SMBDragon

well.....Ive been saying for awhile now laine to me is the best player in this draft IMO. Vantel also has wanted laine.
Funny though, Vantel and I were also both the only people who knew who tryamkin was the last 2 years. And he's clearly the real deal.

Maybe more should listen to us on talent assesment and not so much what scouts say.....case in point, as of today how would tryamkin NOT go in the 1st round instead of 3rd.....
- SMBDragon

Wow, you sound amazing!

At the same time. We can list players taken from 1 to 5 that have turned out to be 3rd, 4th, or bust players as well. My point is, Demko has shown flashes of brilliance early on his pro career. IF we do not have control over his future, than for sure get a top 5 pick if it is offered, but if he plans on signing and paying his due's, why not stay true to your prospect that is currently showing promise?

He isn't pro.

well.....Ive been saying for awhile now laine to me is the best player in this draft IMO. Vantel also has wanted laine.
Funny though, Vantel and I were also both the only people who knew who tryamkin was the last 2 years. And he's clearly the real deal.

Maybe more should listen to us on talent assesment and not so much what scouts say.....case in point, as of today how would tryamkin NOT go in the 1st round instead of 3rd.....
- SMBDragon

Dragon. I think we all have kept tabs on Tryamkin since his draft. The hype that surrounded him coming over was in large part due to everyone keeping an eye on his progression in the KHL.

The second part kind of makes you sound semi-jerkish. We can all argue here until we are blue in the face, but NO ONE in these forums are hockey scouts, aren't paid to analyze raw talent, and no one has a "one up" on another as far as talent recognition regarding how we analyze young players.

Third part - I really can't see how you can evaluate Tryamkin as 1st round talent with such a small sample size of games played by him. I am not sure how you come close to the conclusion that he is worth that this early on.

Lets try not be nasty in here on our own here boys. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Dragon you could probably be a bit less arrogant in your posts though, you can come across a bit douchy.

He isn't pro.
- docmorgan

You are right. Don't know why I wrote that. Good catch

But didnt the scouts draft Tyamkin and not you two?

Also lets dial it back a bit. Tryamkin cracked the 2016 Canuck line up, a line up which had to chose between him and the likes of Weber and Biega. He didnt dominate, he got beat a few times but shown good potential for a rookie. I dont know if he would be a first rounder still, but maybe higher than he was taken. Its still early and defenseman can regress. Being taken a little later, that sort of thing happens all the time though
- WhiteLie

All right now, this post is far too reasoned, and quite frankly I don't like "YOUR TEMPERED ENTHUSIASM" there's no place in here for that attitude.

You want to post in here, lets have a little more drama, hysteria or at least some measure of chicken little.

Thanks for understanding

Dragon. I think we all have kept tabs on Tryamkin since his draft. The hype that surrounded him coming over was in large part due to everyone keeping an eye on his progression in the KHL.

The second part kind of makes you sound semi-jerkish. We can all argue here until we are blue in the face, but NO ONE in these forums are hockey scouts, aren't paid to analyze raw talent, and no one has a "one up" on another as far as talent recognition regarding how we analyze young players.

Third part - I really can't see how you can evaluate Tryamkin as 1st round talent with such a small sample size of games played by him. I am not sure how you come close to the conclusion that he is worth that this early on.

Lets try not be nasty in here on our own here boys. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Dragon you could probably be a bit less arrogant in your posts though, you can come across a bit douchy.
- Codes1087

Douche is going light....I commend you on your diplomacy.....full-on c.g. if you ask me.....

All right now, this post is far too reasoned, and quite frankly I don't like "YOUR TEMPERED ENTHUSIASM" there's no place in here for that attitude.

You want to post in here, lets have a little more drama, hysteria or at least some measure of chicken little.

Thanks for understanding
- Makita

All right now, this post is far too reasoned, and quite frankly I don't like "YOUR TEMPERED ENTHUSIASM" there's no place in here for that attitude.

You want to post in here, lets have a little more drama, hysteria or at least some measure of chicken little.

Thanks for understanding
- Makita

Thanks for saying something. I'm tired of his crap.

point was that I said i thought laine was the best player of the 3 and got laughed at for it....now he's projected as the #1 .....
So for those that felt it was arrogant its just my laughing back at those who were quick to laugh 1st. Nothing more.

Perhaps it should have been worded as.....so dont be quick to make assumptions and laugh at stuff, it might come back on you and make YOU look bad

point was that I said i thought laine was the best player of the 3 and got laughed at for it....now he's projected as the #1 .....
So for those that felt it was arrogant its just my laughing back at those who were quick to laugh 1st. Nothing more.

Perhaps it should have been worded as.....so dont be quick to make assumptions and laugh at stuff, it might come back on you and make YOU look bad
- SMBDragon

Laine is projected as a number 1 from 1 individual who has completly butchered the consensus draft rankings of the 2016 class. He is about as credible from his draft order as one of us would be creating a mock draft and posting on hockeybuzz. While Laine has surpassed/leapfrogged PJ from 3 to 2, the consensus amongst all hockey personnel is still Matthews 1st, Laine 2nd, PJ 3rd.

point was that I said i thought laine was the best player of the 3 and got laughed at for it....now he's projected as the #1 .....
So for those that felt it was arrogant its just my laughing back at those who were quick to laugh 1st. Nothing more.

Perhaps it should have been worded as.....so dont be quick to make assumptions and laugh at stuff, it might come back on you and make YOU look bad
- SMBDragon

point was that I said i thought laine was the best player of the 3 and got laughed at for it....now he's projected as the #1 .....
So for those that felt it was arrogant its just my laughing back at those who were quick to laugh 1st. Nothing more.

Perhaps it should have been worded as.....so dont be quick to make assumptions and laugh at stuff, it might come back on you and make YOU look bad
- SMBDragon

Can you please add Vantels name to this post too, thanks.

Thanks for saying something. I'm tired of his crap.
- Marwood

Yeah, (frank) that guy.

point was that I said i thought laine was the best player of the 3 and got laughed at for it....now he's projected as the #1 .....
So for those that felt it was arrogant its just my laughing back at those who were quick to laugh 1st. Nothing more.

Perhaps it should have been worded as.....so dont be quick to make assumptions and laugh at stuff, it might come back on you and make YOU look bad
- SMBDragon

well.....Ive been saying for awhile now laine to me is the best player in this draft IMO. Vantel also has wanted laine.
Funny though, Vantel and I were also both the only people who knew who tryamkin was the last 2 years. And he's clearly the real deal.

Maybe more should listen to us on talent assesment and not so much what scouts say.....case in point, as of today how would tryamkin NOT go in the 1st round instead of 3rd.....
- SMBDragon

Woah, woah, woah, hold on a minute.

Tryamkin still has a long way to go before he shows he is even a capable defenseman, let alone a star as you seem to be alluding. I watched each of his games and was impressed with the way he moves both north and south and laterally, I also like that his teammates seem to really like him, plus he has decent puck skills....

But how many guys have had a 10 game tryout at the end of the season and looked good, and then floated off into obscurity.

Maybe he turns out, and maybe he doesn't....it is just way too soon to tell.

point was that I said i thought laine was the best player of the 3 and got laughed at for it....now he's projected as the #1 .....
So for those that felt it was arrogant its just my laughing back at those who were quick to laugh 1st. Nothing more.

Perhaps it should have been worded as.....so dont be quick to make assumptions and laugh at stuff, it might come back on you and make YOU look bad
- SMBDragon

Someone feeling inadequate about something in his real life.....hope this helps chief

Vantel says hi......

Can you please add Vantels name to this post too, thanks.
- pker2theend

Laine is projected as a number 1 from 1 individual who has completly butchered the consensus draft rankings of the 2016 class. He is about as credible from his draft order as one of us would be creating a mock draft and posting on hockeybuzz. While Laine has surpassed/leapfrogged PJ from 3 to 2, the consensus amongst all hockey personnel is still Matthews 1st, Laine 2nd, PJ 3rd.
- Codes1087

its been said for awhile now that laine is coming on lately and could become the #1. So only 1 so far has done so, he is gained momentum.

Doesnt matter. Still feel he is BPA from watching tape and MAY BE the best for our team

point was that I said i thought laine was the best player of the 3 and got laughed at for it....now he's projected as the #1 .....
So for those that felt it was arrogant its just my laughing back at those who were quick to laugh 1st. Nothing more.

Perhaps it should have been worded as.....so dont be quick to make assumptions and laugh at stuff, it might come back on you and make YOU look bad
- SMBDragon

Matthews will go first overall in this draft, and there isn't a 3% chance it happens any other way. Not even close.

Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to create drama and get their rankings in the news.

Laine could easily be a very good player, but Matthews played for teams where we can measure his trajectory much more easily. He is also a C, which in a big deal no matter what anyone thinks.

its been said for awhile now that laine is coming on lately and could become the #1. So only 1 so far has done so, he is gained momentum.

Doesnt matter. Still feel he is BPA from watching tape and MAY BE the best for our team
- SMBDragon

Link / Proof ?

Matthews, from what I have seen, is the clear cut number 1 and the consensus amongst the professionals.

its been said for awhile now that laine is coming on lately and could become the #1. So only 1 so far has done so, he is gained momentum.

Doesnt matter. Still feel he is BPA from watching tape and MAY BE the best for our team
- SMBDragon

I think our need for a 1st line center exceeds our need for a top line winger. At this point anyway with the aging Sedins (in particular Henrik at center ice).

I wish you would remove my name from this
- VANTEL

Too late mate.