I think the expectation should be zero 1st overall picks.
- Aetherial

Yea. I wouldn't be at all upset with Laine though. 3/4, I wouldn't be as thrilled but a guy like Tkachuk or Dubuois would still help the franchise quite a bit down the road.

I'm just saying that by adding that #1 pick the expectation shouldn't be instant playoffs.
- Pie

Who said that lol.

If Montreal wins the lottery they jump into 1st by a very wide margin. Top center, top defenseman, and a top goalie. The makings of a cup winner.
- daeth

Montreal could do some really dumb things over the Summer though.
I dont think Bringing MT back as coach is the best start. Relying so Heavily on a goalie to make the playoffs and you are just asking to blow up...like what happened

Who said that lol.
- daeth

I did

Montreal could do some really dumb things over the Summer though.
I dont think Bringing MT back as coach is the best start. Relying so Heavily on a goalie to make the playoffs and you are just asking to blow up...like what happened
- senstroll

If Boston (frank)s up and fires Julien I bet they grab him. That'd be huge.

If Boston (frank)s up and fires Julien I bet they grab him. That'd be huge.
- daeth

Well thats just it.. it doesnt sound like if he is available they would.
they are Drooling over Juilen in Ottawa already..at least on the sports talk shows.. but will they spend for him? Babcock set a new standard.. I think any new (good) coach FA will get a nice bump as a result

If Boston (frank)s up and fires Julien I bet they grab him. That'd be huge.
- daeth

I think Therrien is getting hosed a bit. For all the chatter about abusing the young guys, Galchenyuk is developing nicely as is Carr, Pateryn and Beaulieu. Fans might be uptight about the usage of guys like Desharnais, me included, but when you're third in the league in man games lost and your GM gives you Brian (frank)ing Flynn...there's not a lot of choice.

expanding on this comment
After reading many of Bergevins season end comments... I def have Montreal near the Bottom...just some awful takes

Ottawa has a new GM..I dont have a good idea of what king of a GM he will be yet. Ottawa needs to invest in , its the only way a cheapo time like them can keep up and get an edge otherwise they will get left in the dust with old School mindsets
- senstroll

If you believe that using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection, then how do you explain the failure of doing just that for the two teams that did so in the past. Using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection failed in both Edmonton & Buffalo, and ended up costing the GMs of both teams their jobs, and also the coaches their jobs as well.

Analytics is a useful tool, but not the tool to use as the determining factor in prospect selection.

Pierre McGuire mentioned this on the Radio this morning when talking about the Coyotes.

Listen for yourself starting at the 10:55 until the 12:50 minute mark. And then pile on with your posts saying he's full of shit and does not know anything .......... but I'll take his opinion over anyone's on this site.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...of-exit-meetings-1.470188

If you believe that using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection, then how do you explain the failure of doing just that for the two teams that did so in the past. Using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection failed in both Edmonton & Buffalo, and ended up costing the GMs of both teams their jobs, and also the coaches their jobs as well.

Analytics is a useful tool, but not the tool to use as the determining factor in prospect selection.

Pierre McGuire mentioned this on the Radio this morning when talking about the Coyotes.

Listen for yourself starting at the 10:55 until the 12:50 minute mark. And then pile on with your posts saying he's full of shit and does not know anything .......... but I'll take his opinion over anyone's on this site.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...of-exit-meetings-1.470188
- D0PPELGANGER

I dont know what to say.
So much wtf and in this post

First of all I never said...using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection..ever ....and when did Edmonton and Buffalo do that? what are you even talking about on this?

second.. Pierre Mcguire is (frank)ing out to Lunch on almost everything..I listen to him several days a week on the radio (FML)... He is one of the worst analysts...he might be the worst

If you find yourself agreeing with his takes...I feel bad for you...but you get the team you deserve then.

I dont know what to say.
So much wtf and in this post

First of all I never said...using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection..ever ....and when did Edmonton and Buffalo do that? what are you even talking about on this?

second.. Pierre Mcguire is (frank)ing out to Lunch on almost everything..I listen to him several days a week on the radio (FML)... He is one of the worst analysts...he might be the worst

If you find yourself agreeing with his takes...I feel bad for you...but you get the team you deserve then.
- senstroll

As predicted.

If you believe that using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection, then how do you explain the failure of doing just that for the two teams that did so in the past. Using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection failed in both Edmonton & Buffalo, and ended up costing the GMs of both teams their jobs, and also the coaches their jobs as well.

Analytics is a useful tool, but not the tool to use as the determining factor in prospect selection.

Pierre McGuire mentioned this on the Radio this morning when talking about the Coyotes.

Listen for yourself starting at the 10:55 until the 12:50 minute mark. And then pile on with your posts saying he's full of shit and does not know anything .......... but I'll take his opinion over anyone's on this site.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...of-exit-meetings-1.470188
- D0PPELGANGER

i believe his reference to edmonton is with respect to fayne/pouliet/nitkinin ... all guys brought in before edmonton hired their analytics guy.

who knows what MacT and co. were using to make a decision ... probably public websites

i don't know what the reference to buffalo is ... but regier certainly wasn't on the forefront of analytics.

but you know who has been using analytics for years and years - STAN BOWMAN. he's had a few successes. LA has also been very successful utilizing analytics.

not saying analytics is the the be all and end all, but mcguire was very misleading in his hot take.

If you believe that using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection, then how do you explain the failure of doing just that for the two teams that did so in the past. Using Analytics as the determining factor in prospect selection failed in both Edmonton & Buffalo, and ended up costing the GMs of both teams their jobs, and also the coaches their jobs as well.

Analytics is a useful tool, but not the tool to use as the determining factor in prospect selection.

Pierre McGuire mentioned this on the Radio this morning when talking about the Coyotes.

Listen for yourself starting at the 10:55 until the 12:50 minute mark. And then pile on with your posts saying he's full of shit and does not know anything .......... but I'll take his opinion over anyone's on this site.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...of-exit-meetings-1.470188
- D0PPELGANGER

as far as the coyotes - mcguire failed to mention that the coyotes defense is complete and utter disaster after OEL...2-6 probably the worst in the league. That alone is a fireable offense, let alone the state of their centerman this year.

the point of using analytics isn't to say this is the only way to identify good players and all other ways suck. sure, maloney made some good moves - but based on the state of the roster, he also made a lot of poopty moves too.

anecdotely, GM's can identify good players through traditional scouting and watching of games. the point of utilizing analytics is to give you a unbiased view of a player - another tool to help you make more good decisions and less bad ones.

As predicted.
- D0PPELGANGER

I mean, why would you expect people to not easily break your flimsy arguments apart?

but you know who has been using analytics for years and years - STAN BOWMAN. he's had a few successes. LA has also been very successful utilizing analytics.

not saying analytics is the the be all and end all, but mcguire was very misleading in his hot take.
- Tumbleweed

Perhaps winning the Lottery in 2007 and moving up four spots to select Kane also helped.

Perhaps winning the Lottery in 2007 and moving up four spots to select Kane also helped.
- D0PPELGANGER

so Toews at 3 or 4 or whatever the year before and then Kane. I tell you what (frank) the Leafs right in the face with an axe.

Perhaps winning the Lottery in 2007 and moving up four spots to select Kane also helped.
- D0PPELGANGER

that's fine ... luck got them started.

good management kept them competitive for years.

this is the current order I have them in

Jets - #2 pick
Leafs - #1 Pick, Zeitsev Signing
Calgary - Fire coach
Edmonton
Montreal
Ottawa - Hire Guy Bouchard
Vancouver
- senstroll

After the draft lottery and Coach fire/hire so far, I still keep the same order

Montreal could do some really dumb things over the Summer though.
I dont think Bringing MT back as coach is the best start. Relying so Heavily on a goalie to make the playoffs and you are just asking to blow up...like what happened
- senstroll

oh

expanding on this comment
After reading many of Bergevins season end comments... I def have Montreal near the Bottom...just some awful takes

Ottawa has a new GM..I dont have a good idea of what king of a GM he will be yet. Ottawa needs to invest in Analytics, its the only way a cheapo time like them can keep up and get an edge otherwise they will get left in the dust with old School mindsets
- senstroll

oh

this is the current order I have them in

Jets
Leafs
Calgary
Edmonton
Montreal
Ottawa
Vancouver
- senstroll

Updated after the Draft and big moves yesterday

Jets/Leafs/Calgary
Edmonton
Montreal
Ottawa
Vancouver

At the moment a 3 way tie for first

Leafs get Auston and a Goalie so far
Calgary gets Elliot who imo is a great pick up, and I like their draft
Winnipeg gets Laine
Montreal and Edmonton make wtf Moves
Vancouver still has Benning
Ottawa is still just kinda there..might bump them ahead of Montreal if they make another dumb move

Update.. Vancouver still at the bottom and I dont think it really close at this point, they are the worst
Bumped Montreal up a little..mostly just based on results ..but I am not sold on their long term success

Leafs #1. 3 rookies carrying the team at this point. All have looked great
Laine getting it done for the Jets, still lots of great young players to build with. Trouba holdout knocks them down until we see the return (not likely as good as Trouba)

Edmonton get the Mcdavid nod

Ottawa is just avg all over

Leafs
Jets
Edmonton
Montreal
Calgary
Ottawa
Vancouver

Update.. Vancouver still at the bottom and I dont think it really close at this point, they are the worst
Bumped Montreal up a little..mostly just based on results ..but I am not sold on their long term success

Leafs #1. 3 rookies carrying the team at this point. All have looked great
Laine getting it done for the Jets, still lots of great young players to build with. Trouba holdout knocks them down until we see the return (not likely as good as Trouba)

Edmonton get the Mcdavid nod

Ottawa is just avg all over

Leafs
Jets
Edmonton
Montreal
Calgary
Ottawa







Vancouver
- senstroll

Fixed Vancouver for ya.

Fixed Vancouver for ya.
- Tumbleweed

Vancouver is one ugly team.

However, one could say that in the sense that they're ripe for bottoming out, while there are some other teams still under delusions of being a contender, you could say they are ahead of a few teams. They've bottomed out (or at least, will this year or next), while others still need to come to the realization that what they're doing is futile.

Vancouver is one ugly team.

However, one could say that in the sense that they're ripe for bottoming out, while there are some other teams still under delusions of being a contender, you could say they are ahead of a few teams. They've bottomed out (or at least, will this year or next), while others still need to come to the realization that what they're doing is futile.
- prock

Looks like their primed for an accidental tank year.

Who know’s what they do next year. I have feeling they’re still committed to trying to build a playoff team until the sedins retire.

That fire might be long ways away from being put out.

Looks like their primed for an accidental tank year.

Who know’s what they do next year. I have feeling they’re still committed to trying to build a playoff team until the sedins retire.

That fire might be long ways away from being put out.
- Tumbleweed

yeah, but that may not matter. They're 36 years old. Without some serious help, they can't do it alone, and without an improvement in linemates, combined with their age, they may be nothing more than 50 point players themselves.