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CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Mar 20 @ 1:45 PM ET
And lose a top 5 pick in the next season plus another 2nd and 3rd? get out of here. Dumbest thing van could do.
- manvanfan


An offer sheet would be a horrible idea...horde our picks and make them count...draft and develop
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Mar 20 @ 1:45 PM ET
The list of poop you are making up on this thread is getting pretty long in only three pages. Please step back from the crazybagoglue.
- boonerbuck



Can anyone point out to me where I've made anything up? I'm just trying to comprehend. Cause all I see is just a bunch of fools, looking for a fight.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 20 @ 1:47 PM ET
An offer sheet would be a horrible idea...horde our picks and make them count...draft and develop
- CanuckDon


Which is what the plan should be.
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Mar 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
An offer sheet would be a horrible idea...horde our picks and make them count...draft and develop
- CanuckDon


no sh!t.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 20 @ 1:49 PM ET
OS is not all that dumb. What if there are no top end D again like last year? You also need a couple of years to develop them.

Cgy traded for Hamilton with a first and two seconds. The OS you will give up a first second and a third.

Next , I don't think a healthy Canuck team finishes in bottom 10.
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Mar 20 @ 1:51 PM ET
OS is not all that dumb. What if there are no top end D again like last year? You also need a couple of years to develop them.

Cgy traded for Hamilton with a first and two seconds. The OS you will give up a first second and a third.

Next , I don't think a healthy Canuck team finishes in bottom 10.

- VANTEL


TRADE A DRAFT PICK??? tanknation would poo themselves I agree, If it's a great player and fills a hole on the team, you pay the price.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 20 @ 1:53 PM ET
OS is not all that dumb. What if there are no top end D again like last year? You also need a couple of years to develop them.

Cgy traded for Hamilton with a first and two seconds. The OS you will give up a first second and a third.

Next , I don't think a healthy Canuck team finishes in bottom 10.

- VANTEL


I hope we go on a run and win some games.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 20 @ 1:54 PM ET
That leaves me out
- VANTEL


You just need to warm that 3rd digit up is all... it's there... I've seen it.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Mar 20 @ 1:55 PM ET
lol where? the leafs thing? That wasnt an insult.... if y'all get insulted talking about arbitrary hockey topics, you should probably just leave
- Crazybagoham


You are not even aware of what you type. I rest my case.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 20 @ 1:56 PM ET
You just need to warm that 3rd digit up is all... it's there... I've seen it.

- boonerbuck

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 20 @ 1:57 PM ET
I hope we go on a run and win some games.
- VanHockeyGuy


We are a team that is trying to lose right now. I can promise we will be no where as bad for the next couple of years
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Mar 20 @ 1:58 PM ET
OS is not all that dumb. What if there are no top end D again like last year? You also need a couple of years to develop them.

Cgy traded for Hamilton with a first and two seconds. The OS you will give up a first second and a third.

Next , I don't think a healthy Canuck team finishes in bottom 10.

- VANTEL


It's all about where you are positioned in your rebuild ...I think the Canucks would be better off to not offer sheet anyone until they have their future core more intact
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 20 @ 1:59 PM ET
It's all about where you are positioned in your rebuild ...I think the Canucks would be better off to not offer sheet anyone until they have their future core more intact
- Redmile247


Which is a couple of years away.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Mar 20 @ 2:01 PM ET
Which is a couple of years away.
- VanHockeyGuy


Exactly ...let your prospects get more settled and see what you have before you sign an offer sheet that could end up giving away the first overall pick
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 20 @ 2:02 PM ET
OS is not all that dumb. What if there are no top end D again like last year? You also need a couple of years to develop them.

Cgy traded for Hamilton with a first and two seconds. The OS you will give up a first second and a third.

Next , I don't think a healthy Canuck team finishes in bottom 10.

- VANTEL


I think this post explains exactly why Van shouldn't do anything you say!

No top end D, Well Carolina picked Hannifin, where are they in the standings compared to Van? Calgary traded for Hamilton, a 1st and 2- 2nd round picks. Look where they are in the standings.
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Mar 20 @ 2:04 PM ET
You are not even aware of what you type. I rest my case.

- boonerbuck


uh okay that's what I thought. You still have yet to show anything I've made up, so just get over it dude. You can carry on, being insulted about dumb hockey convos, attempting to troll. Feel free.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
It's all about where you are positioned in your rebuild ...I think the Canucks would be better off to not offer sheet anyone until they have their future core more intact
- Redmile247



I for one feel we are a lot further ahead than most give credit to. Two weeks ago we were in the hunt for a playoff spot with an injured line up.

We have a good supply of young players and we will get more this year. We have two very good prospects that should be ready in two years.

In the summer I would look at a trade of Edler or Tanev to upgrade. I would also go hard after a vet UFA Dman.

The only way we finish bottom 10 next year is if we tank again
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 20 @ 2:06 PM ET
Can anyone point out to me where I've made anything up? I'm just trying to comprehend. Cause all I see is just a bunch of fools, looking for a fight.
- Crazybagoham


Offer sheeting costs you draft picks not only the salary you have to give up. So if Van offer sheets anyone
2005 Averaged Salary 2015-16 Averaged Salary Draft Pick Compensation
$660,000 and below $1,205,377 and below No compensation
$660,001 to $1,000,000 $1,205,377 to $1,826,328 Third-round pick
$1,000,001 to $2,000,000 $1,826,328 to $3,652,659 Second-round pick
$2,000,001 to $3,000,000 $3,652,659 to $5,478,986 First- and third-round pick
$3,000,001 to $4,000,000 $5,478,986 to $7,305,316 First-, second-, and third-round pick
$4,000,001 to $5,000,000 $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 Two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick
$5,000,001 and above $9,131,645 and above Four first-round picks

We would lose the draft picks in the next season for whatever the contract AAV falls under. Example Morgan Rielly van OS him to a 6 million per season. If Toronto doesn't make the contract, Van has to give Toronto their 1st, 2nd, 3rd round pick in the next season.

Holy crap that salary chart is hard to read i'm sorry
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Mar 20 @ 2:08 PM ET
I think this post explains exactly why Van shouldn't do anything you say!

No top end D, Well Carolina picked Hannifin, where are they in the standings compared to Van? Calgary traded for Hamilton, a 1st and 2- 2nd round picks. Look where they are in the standings.

- manvanfan


To me OS has it's value, I think Calgary won that trade personally (my opinion I should go out and say before someone loses their mind). But the offer has to be a player you really want/need. Hamilton fits well with what Calgary is building, I thought that was a good decision to make personally.

My mind goes to what d men can we offer sheets, I know Vatanen is a big one... but, to me, he's not good enough to give up the price of an OS. Hearing Rielly is another, but leafs will just outbid. Any others? Neither are worth an OS
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Mar 20 @ 2:08 PM ET
Offer sheeting costs you draft picks not only the salary you have to give up. So if Van offer sheets anyone
2005 Averaged Salary 2015-16 Averaged Salary Draft Pick Compensation
$660,000 and below $1,205,377 and below No compensation
$660,001 to $1,000,000 $1,205,377 to $1,826,328 Third-round pick
$1,000,001 to $2,000,000 $1,826,328 to $3,652,659 Second-round pick
$2,000,001 to $3,000,000 $3,652,659 to $5,478,986 First- and third-round pick
$3,000,001 to $4,000,000 $5,478,986 to $7,305,316 First-, second-, and third-round pick
$4,000,001 to $5,000,000 $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 Two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick
$5,000,001 and above $9,131,645 and above Four first-round picks

We would lose the draft picks in the next season for whatever the contract AAV falls under. Example Morgan Rielly van OS him to a 6 million per season. If Toronto doesn't make the contract, Van has to give Toronto their 1st, 2nd, 3rd round pick in the next season.

Holy crap that salary chart is hard to read i'm sorry

- manvanfan


okay you got me there, yeah. I though you meant just Salary space. When the conversation continued, I saw what you were getting at.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 20 @ 2:09 PM ET
I for one feel we are a lot further ahead than most give credit to. Two weeks ago we were in the hunt for a playoff spot with an injured line up.

We have a good supply of young players and we will get more this year. We have two very good prospects that should be ready in two years.

In the summer I would look at a trade of Edler or Tanev to upgrade. I would also go hard after a vet UFA Dman.

The only way we finish bottom 10 next year is if we tank again

- VANTEL


With all the losses and "lack of effort" that is happening with the call ups, IMO shows that Van are still years away from competing in the playoffs with any line up. Should have a few players under 22 in the line up and insult them with vets then after the vets are traded at the deadline for picks, call up some of the younger players.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 20 @ 2:11 PM ET
Offer sheeting costs you draft picks not only the salary you have to give up. So if Van offer sheets anyone
2005 Averaged Salary 2015-16 Averaged Salary Draft Pick Compensation
$660,000 and below $1,205,377 and below No compensation
$660,001 to $1,000,000 $1,205,377 to $1,826,328 Third-round pick
$1,000,001 to $2,000,000 $1,826,328 to $3,652,659 Second-round pick
$2,000,001 to $3,000,000 $3,652,659 to $5,478,986 First- and third-round pick
$3,000,001 to $4,000,000 $5,478,986 to $7,305,316 First-, second-, and third-round pick
$4,000,001 to $5,000,000 $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 Two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick
$5,000,001 and above $9,131,645 and above Four first-round picks

We would lose the draft picks in the next season for whatever the contract AAV falls under. Example Morgan Rielly van OS him to a 6 million per season. If Toronto doesn't make the contract, Van has to give Toronto their 1st, 2nd, 3rd round pick in the next season.

Holy crap that salary chart is hard to read i'm sorry

- manvanfan


With Vancouvers first pic in the 2017 draft at spot # 19 Canucks draft Joe Schlub
With their second pick at #49 they draft his brother Bill Schlub
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 20 @ 2:12 PM ET
To me OS has it's value, I think Calgary won that trade personally (my opinion I should go out and say before someone loses their mind). But the offer has to be a player you really want/need. Hamilton fits well with what Calgary is building, I thought that was a good decision to make personally.

My mind goes to what d men can we offer sheets, I know Vatanen is a big one... but, to me, he's not good enough to give up the price of an OS. Hearing Rielly is another, but leafs will just outbid. Any others? Neither are worth an OS

- Crazybagoham



Draft picks and ELC are worth GOLD these days.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 20 @ 2:14 PM ET
With Vancouvers first pic in the 2017 draft at spot # 19 Canucks draft Joe Schlub
With their second pick at #49 they draft his brother Bill Schlub

- VANTEL

Can Van get through the 2016 draft first?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Mar 20 @ 2:17 PM ET
OS is not all that dumb. What if there are no top end D again like last year? You also need a couple of years to develop them.

Cgy traded for Hamilton with a first and two seconds. The OS you will give up a first second and a third.

Next , I don't think a healthy Canuck team finishes in bottom 10.

- VANTEL


I see an OS as a way to cheat the rebuilding process. You would inevitably have to over pay to ensure the team wouldnt match we gain an overpaid asset that is in 25-26 range which doesn't align with our future core. Potentially losing multiple top 10 picks would cripple the franchise. There are no quick fixes
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