If we ban the word offsheet, then we have to ban people projecting the 2016/2017 season roster with Lucic/Stamkos/Lindholm/Vatanen/Shattenkirk/Fowler/Brodin/Backes on them. Fair?
- Codes1087

Right now the Canucks have:

Daniel Henrik ???
Baertschi Sutter ???
??? Horvat Hansen

After that it's a bunch of kids with potential, nothing more, nothing less. That's not to say I don't like the kids, I certainly do, but this team needs a lot of growth next year by kids like Virtanen.

Virtanen is a major league possession player, he'll be very good but needs time to develop.

If we ban the word offsheet, then we have to ban people projecting the 2016/2017 season roster with Lucic/Stamkos/Lindholm/Vatanen/Shattenkirk/Fowler/Brodin/Backes on them. Fair?
- Codes1087

Maybe we should go back to Raymond + scenarios.

A free nhler now vs a mid 1st round prospect next year anyday.
Do u see no quality RFA D worth an OS?
Or is an OS a useless option?

Every thread u prattle on about no defensive structure n I'll say there is not enough offence from D to matter to begin with.
- Nighthawk

Vatanen will cost ... what 5m AAV, assuming you have to outbid Anaheim? Go up to a 5.5m deal, and you have to get rid of a 1st, 2nd, 3rd all in the same year. I'm all for improving this team, but giving up a whole year's worth of draft picks just isn't worth it for a Vatanen/Lindholm/Rielly/Trouba on top of overpaying them. Better to use those assets in a real hockey trade. Especially not worth it to give up all that, and overpay for an undersized PP specialist d man.

I like the concept of OS's but if we aren't getting a Shea Weber caliber defensemen (just using as a comparable, obviously we'd want a younger guy) it's not worth the trouble.

Burke worked some serious magic and voodoo to get the Sedins.

Where burkie fell short was not getting a solid no.1 goalchie...
- kaptaan

http://historicalhockey.b...ks-draft-sedin-twins.html

Here is the story about how the Twins got drafted, Hate Burke all you want but he worked some magic here.

there was no choice. Whisky stated we had 4 second line centers. I just simply stated that we currently have 1, who people think has a ceiling of 3C, but I think he has the potential to be a good 2C when properly being groomed for it.
- Codes1087

Suter, Horvat, McCaan, Sedin..............? Potential, future, actual???

If we ban the word offsheet, then we have to ban people projecting the 2016/2017 season roster with Lucic/Stamkos/Lindholm/Vatanen/Shattenkirk/Fowler/Brodin/Backes on them. Fair?
- Codes1087

Haha definitely fair

Suter, Horvat, McCaan, Sedin..............? Potential, future, actual???
- Pres.cup

Sedin 1C
Sutter 2C (1st line winger?)
Horvat 3C (future 2c)
McCann Utica

All I was saying was that I think Horvat has a ceiling of 2C, instead of 3C in which has come up multiple times.

Haha definitely fair
- MaWLz

We also need to ban projecting our draft pick into the lineup next year... also to those who want to tank next year as well..... next year is a very weak draft class, could be historically crappy.
Also lets stop projecting buyouts or trades, cause we're mostly wrong
So here is my projected lineup with these conditions met.

Sedin.....Sedin.....Hansen
Baer......Suter.....Virtanen
Higgins..Horvat....Etem
Vey........Granlund....Dorset
Grenier/Burrows

Edler....Tanev
Hutton....Tryamkin
Sbisa... Larsen
Peden/Biega

Miller/Markstrome

Anyone else feel

http://historicalhockey.b...ks-draft-sedin-twins.html

Here is the story about how the Twins got drafted, Hate Burke all you want but he worked some magic here.
- Pres.cup

I agree.

Read dragon's assessment but didn't agree. He's not the best GM in the business but is a good GM. Changed the culture here in Van, made players accountable, and assembled a competitive team, with a win now attitude. Nothing wrong with that at the time considering the nucks where just coming out of the Messier era.

If we ban the word offsheet, then we have to ban people projecting the 2016/2017 season roster with Lucic/Stamkos/Lindholm/Vatanen/Shattenkirk/Fowler/Brodin/Backes on them. Fair?
- Codes1087

nope! People will talk about what they want, UFA's and RFA's are the offseason. I think it's fair to say that OS's are rare for a reason- they are rarely worth it, Lindholm is arguable IMO but Vatanen is not worth the picks and neither are most players really. But if we trade for one of those players, then were talking. Trading for a RFA is a different story. We do need a top-4 that can score, and Vatenen is that. I don't know what that trade looks like, but if it's Hansen and a later pick (say 3rd rounder) I'm all for it. UFA's, that's just the bread and butter of dream roster's can't take those away!

Sedin-Stamkos-Sedin
Bae-Bo-JV
Etem-Sutter-Gaunce
?-Granlund-Dorsett

Edler-Tanev
Vatenen-Hamhuis
Sbisa-Tram
Hutton

Look guys, a lineup with 40-60 more goals in it!

Made the playoffs Scooby
- LeftCoaster

I'm happy for you. Hopefully we meet in the finals.

nope! People will talk about what they want, UFA's and RFA's are the offseason. I think it's fair to say that OS's are rare for a reason- they are rarely worth it, Lindholm is arguable IMO but Vatanen is not worth the picks and neither are most players really. But if we trade for one of those players, then were talking. Trading for a RFA is a different story. We do need a top-4 that can score, and Vatenen is that. I don't know what that trade looks like, but if it's Hansen and a later pick (say 3rd rounder) I'm all for it. UFA's, that's just the bread and butter of dream roster's can't take those away!

Sedin-Stamkos-Sedin
Bae-Bo-JV
Etem-Sutter-Gaunce
?-Granlund-Dorsett

Edler-Tanev
Vatenen-Hamhuis
Sbisa-Tram
Hutton

Look guys, a lineup with 40-60 more goals in it!


- neem55

whatever man. I am just saying I have seen 30 different people state 30 different projected rosters for the next season that are just so mind boggling it is insane. People can fantasize all they want I guess.

We also need to ban projecting our draft pick into the lineup next year... also to those who want to tank next year as well..... next year is a very weak draft class, could be historically crappy.
Also lets stop projecting buyouts or trades, cause we're mostly wrong
So here is my projected lineup with these conditions met.

Sedin.....Sedin.....Hansen
Baer......Suter.....Virtanen
Higgins..Horvat....Etem
Vey........Granlund....Dorset
Grenier/Burrows

Edler....Tanev
Hutton....Tryamkin
Sbisa... Larsen
Peden/Biega

Miller/Markstrome

Anyone else feel
- Pres.cup

Need a snickers?

whatever man. I am just saying I have seen 30 different people state 30 different projected rosters for the next season that are just so mind boggling it is insane. People can fantasize all they want I guess.
- Codes1087

I do agree, in fact that's the first lineup post I've done, but speculating brings up interesting convo sometimes as chaotic as it may be.

I do agree, in fact that's the first lineup post I've done, but speculating brings up awful convo sometimes as chaotic as it may be.
- neem55

fixed.

I do agree, in fact that's the first lineup post I've done, but speculating brings up interesting convo sometimes as chaotic as it may be.
- neem55

The future looks brighter than the present.

I think JB is on record saying he isn't going after any big free agents but I am still expecting change in the lineup.

With the talk of players not playing hard enough, I can't see all those same players back. Some of the lack of effort is young players lacking consistency, playing a long season and getting a little worn out but I think WD and management still want to see more.

WD had said something about expectations of players being different because some had different ceilings or were projected to be top line or bottom 6 players.. it sounded like he was trying to challenge some players and there is some disappointment with the effort level these last few games.

I enjoy seeing projected lineups for next season, makes me wonder who will be moved, who will be in the AHL and who will be rewarded for hard work at the end of this season, summer training and preseason.

Can we ban the word offersheet or OS on here? I'm pretty sure I've read that more in thr past few weeks on here then the past 5 years. We're not gonna OS vaatanen or Lindholm get over it fml lol
- MaWLz

I endorse this post. New list of banned words.

Offer sheet, ROFL, Ham, Son, asset management

I endorse this post. New list of banned words.

Offer sheet, ROFL, Ham, Son, asset management
- CanuckDon

Tanking=asset management, son.

We also need to ban projecting our draft pick into the lineup next year... also to those who want to tank next year as well..... next year is a very weak draft class, could be historically crappy.
Also lets stop projecting buyouts or trades, cause we're mostly wrong
So here is my projected lineup with these conditions met.

Sedin.....Sedin.....Hansen
Baer......Suter.....Virtanen
Higgins..Horvat....Etem
Vey........Granlund....Dorset
Grenier/Burrows

Edler....Tanev
Hutton....Tryamkin
Sbisa... Larsen
Peden/Biega

Miller/Markstrome

Anyone else feel
- Pres.cup

I do feel like pending some moves, this will likely be the lineup for next season. Very realistic

That being said, I am surprised at how quickly people have turned on McCann. We knew he wasnt physically strong when he made the team, but all thought his shot and skills would bring him rookie-level success this year (and if he hits 20 points, I dont see anything wrong with that). He will likely be stronger for next year, knowing he needs to add weight, but still no one thinks he will be on the team, either in Utica or traded. This is a high skilled guy, producing close to Horvat's sophomore numbers in significantly less icetime and pooptier linemates on most nights. I would peg him for a breakout year and surprise many in camp

I endorse this post. New list of banned words.

Offer sheet, ROFL, Ham, Son, asset management
- CanuckDon

Add Generational Player to that list.

Tanking=asset management, son.
- neem55

We might not realize it but this season might be a watershed moment in canuck history. The last time we had a high pick in the draft the nucks maneuvered to get the twins.

Best season ever.

We might not realize it but this season might be a watershed moment in canuck history. The last time we had a high pick in the draft the nucks maneuvered to get the twins.

Best season ever.
- bloatedmosquito

I've got my fingers crossed. Trade the sedins for the 2nd pick and get Puujarvi and Laine... Full circle!

Tanking=asset management, son.
- neem55

Sorry but I had to flag you twice son

We might not realize it but this season might be a watershed moment in canuck history. The last time we had a high pick in the draft the nucks maneuvered to get the twins.

Best season ever.
- bloatedmosquito

let's hope we feel better after taking the Buckley's then...

I do agree, in fact that's the first lineup post I've done, but speculating brings up interesting convo sometimes as chaotic as it may be.
- neem55

Agreed. This roster will turn over a lot before we see playoff hockey in this city.
Clearly I don’t know the first thing about running a hockey team but I would try the following:

To Ottawa: Jared McCann
To Vancouver: Mike Hoffman
I don’t think Ottawa wants to give him $5M x 4 and Vancouver can afford it.

To Washington: Brendan Gaunce, 2016 2nd (~35th overall)
To Vancouver: Madison Bowey

To Detroit: Alex Edler, Jannik Hansen
To Vancouver: Xav Ouellet, Teemu Pulkkinen, Anthony Mantha

I think projecting lineups is dumb and shows how little people actually know about hockey because the reality is the blender comes out all the time on just about every team. Sure Getzlaf and Perry play together a lot, and so do the Sedins, but how many lines can you think of that stay together for an entire season? That’s old school and hasn’t been the reality for a long time now. Instead, think of it in terms of a depth chart or pool of potential combinations.

LWs: Sedin, Hoffman, Baertschi, Etem
C: Sedin, Sutter, Horvat, Granlund
RW: Virtanen, Pulkkinen, Mantha, Dorsett, Burrows

D: Hutton, Tanev, Ouellet, Bowey, Pedan, Tryamkin, Sbisa, Biega