white was nonis pick? ok...anyone was better than nonis...I, sure we can all agree on that!
yes burke had to trade to get sedins but the pick itself wasnt any stroke of genius like some make it sound like. its not like he "found" them in the 3rd round like a datsyuk or bure.
I forgot about umberger. Good pick. was good for a few years... lost track of where he is now about being traded a ton. I wish we had him but burke blew up in contract talks blew a blood vessel and traded him in anger for a guy that never amounted to squat. Another blown trade!
Nonis had only 1 single good ability...assessing goalies. Brought us luongo as his 1st move than drafted schneider. Later in TO he solidified the goalie situation for years w benier and i forgot the other.

Gillis sucked badly at drafting clearly. He had a few good ones but way too many stinkers, same as burke. Id actually put gillis ahead of burke trade wise. reason is burke when he traded had the guy we got never amount top squat. Usually not even make the roster. Gillis's trades just didnt usually live up to messiah status. Ballard for example played here for quite a few years, was on our cup run etc. Burkes trades often were never on roster or for long.
With Gillis he didnt have a lot of trade options available since he was blacklisted by GMs due to previously being an agent. We will never know if he could have been better if more than a single team or 2 would talk to him. SO its difficult to assess.

Burke was left a team mainly built by quinn and keenan. Burke did bring in Jovo for sure and bieksa. Maybe others too that arent coming to mind.

Where gillis excelled was 2 things. Getting players to sign and to sign for much less.
The other thing was assessment of what the team needed. All 6 of his trades and signings leading to cup run were huge and directly instrumental in making that happen. He knew the right places to address and who to put there. 6 for 6 is pretty amazing. Unfortunately there was a descent over the next few years that most people remember.

However, at todays date we currently have JB. Probably the finest drafter we have EVER had in our history. Quinn was pretty good too. Pretty happy with our trades withJB too. Quality GM. Good choice by Linden.
- SMBDragon

You must of been really young in the Nonis and Burke days because you have so many things mixed up and dont remember even the stuff that was out in the open. And this stuff about people calling Burke a genius for finding the Sedins is news to me. The first time I heard anyone talk about that was you and I've been on here more than a decade. Everybody was talking about the Sedins being top picks for a long time. Burke boasted out to the media he wasnt leaving the draft without the Sedins. Scouts all had them as top players. If I were you I'd ignore this calss of knowledgeable fans for now on. Have beers with Lefty and Vantel instead.

Now Edler on the other hand was found under Burke even though Nonis made the pick. Our scouts were over in Sweden watching him all alone except for the Det staff for the season... but Nonis gets credit for saying the words at the mic??? See what I mean... being GM 3 weeks doesnt erase the fact that the years work was under Burke. Thats the same draft as Schneider btw... see what I mean? Nonis still gets a lot of undeserved credit. People refuse to give any to Burke on that stuff. People dont go further than one layer.

Keenan calling Nonis and offering him Luongo for Bert. Nonis getting big credit where little is due. This stuff has made it's rounds 10 years ago on here... it's well rehearsed...

A few of these new posters are really (frank)ing annoying.
- Scooby_Doo

You must of been really young in the Nonis and Burke days because you have so many things mixed up and dont remember even the stuff that was out in the open. And this stuff about people calling Burke a genius for finding the Sedins is news to me. The first time I heard anyone talk about that was you and I've been on here more than a decade. Everybody was talking about the Sedins being top picks for a long time. Burke boasted out to the media he wasnt leaving the draft without the Sedins. Scouts all had them as top players. If I were you I'd ignore this calss of knowledgeable fans for now on. Have beers with Lefty and Vantel instead.

Now Edler on the other hand was found under Burke even though Nonis made the pick. Our scouts were over in Sweden watching him all alone except for the Det staff for the season... but Nonis gets credit for saying the words at the mic??? See what I mean... being GM 3 weeks doesnt erase the fact that the years work was under Burke. Thats the same draft as Schneider btw... see what I mean? Nonis still gets a lot of undeserved credit. People refuse to give any to Burke on that stuff. People dont go further than one layer.

Keenan calling Nonis and offering him Luongo for Bert. Nonis getting big credit where little is due. This stuff has made it's rounds 10 years ago on here... it's well rehearsed...


- boonerbuck

It is so good when you are back. Nothing like Booner to straighten out some newbies

Yes they do suck
- VANTEL

Maybe they just need to practice more?

You know... Work the " suck " out?

You must of been really young in the Nonis and Burke days because you have so many things mixed up and dont remember even the stuff that was out in the open. And this stuff about people calling Burke a genius for finding the Sedins is news to me. The first time I heard anyone talk about that was you and I've been on here more than a decade. Everybody was talking about the Sedins being top picks for a long time. Burke boasted out to the media he wasnt leaving the draft without the Sedins. Scouts all had them as top players. If I were you I'd ignore this calss of knowledgeable fans for now on. Have beers with Lefty and Vantel instead.

Now Edler on the other hand was found under Burke even though Nonis made the pick. Our scouts were over in Sweden watching him all alone except for the Det staff for the season... but Nonis gets credit for saying the words at the mic??? See what I mean... being GM 3 weeks doesnt erase the fact that the years work was under Burke. Thats the same draft as Schneider btw... see what I mean? Nonis still gets a lot of undeserved credit. People refuse to give any to Burke on that stuff. People dont go further than one layer.

Keenan calling Nonis and offering him Luongo for Bert. Nonis getting big credit where little is due. This stuff has made it's rounds 10 years ago on here... it's well rehearsed...


- boonerbuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14647u543-8

Morning you SOB's

Hard to truly credit him with sedins pick because they were gonna go in top 3 anyways. Its like saying the edmonton GM is a genius for picking mcdavid. Hed have been picked top 2 anyway by someone
- SMBDragon

THIS.....clearly you have NO IDEA what went into acquiring (not picking) the Sedins. You should really fact check bawd. However, I could care less about old untied tie Burkey - but seriously what he pulled in order to get BOTH Sedins was nothing short of landing on the moon by a slingshot and a parachute from Jupiter.

THIS.....clearly you have NO IDEA what went into acquiring (not picking) the Sedins. You should really fact check bawd. However, I could care less about old untied tie Burkey - but seriously what he pulled in order to get BOTH Sedins was nothing short of landing on the moon by a slingshot and a parachute from Jupiter.
- Brooks_Light

Arguably the best move Burke has EVER pulled off in his career.

Hard to truly credit him with sedins pick because they were gonna go in top 3 anyways. Its like saying the edmonton GM is a genius for picking mcdavid. Hed have been picked top 2 anyway by someone
- SMBDragon

oh Dragon this is one of the ones you can't take back mate.. The background story behind how Burke got the twins is pretty unreal. To recap, so that you really can't compare PC to picking McDavid number 1. Burke had the number 3 overall pick. They traded McCabe and a future first rounder to Chicago for the number 4 overall pick. They trade the 4th overall pick for the 1st over all pick so they held the first and third. They traded the 1st overall to Atlanta (who held the 2nd) for their second overall with promise that they take Patrik Stefan 1st overall. There were many more pieces to this trade including trading Bure and Trevor Linden in the off season but it was a very tactical move on Burke's part that would change our franchise until today... Gotta give credit where credit is due man, and in no way can you compare the two situations..

bringing up Higgins might help get a better draft pick.

it's weird being in this position, looking forward to a higher draft pick. wanting the team to win games, but also wanting the better draft position.

i don't endorse tanking or losing ala the edmonton or toronto teams...

oh Dragon this is one of the ones you can't take back mate.. The background story behind how Burke got the twins is pretty unreal. To recap, so that you really can't compare PC to picking McDavid number 1. Burke had the number 3 overall pick. They traded McCabe and a future first rounder to Chicago for the number 4 overall pick. They trade the 4th overall pick for the 1st over all pick so they held the first and third. They traded the 1st overall to Atlanta (who held the 2nd) for their second overall with promise that they take Patrik Stefan 1st overall. There were many more pieces to this trade including trading Bure and Trevor Linden in the off season but it was a very tactical move on Burke's part that would change our franchise until today... Gotta give credit where credit is due man, and in no way can you compare the two situations..
- Codes1087

Burke worked some serious magic and voodoo to get the Sedins.

Where burkie fell short was not getting a solid no.1 goalchie...

All kinds of poor memory in the 3 or 4 posts about this. I'll address it all in this reply. Pardon me if some of it wasn't said by you.

Burke brought in 11 new player before the Ducks won the cup some of them very big additions. He inherited a team with good assets but how many times have we seen that blundered by a GM? You have put something spectacular together to win it all...

He did not leave Nonis a mess. Nonis is just that bad. They just made the playoffs and Nonis took over and crashed and burned right away. The rest of the league was busy resetting the roster with free buyouts after the lockout and he ignored that(it became his mess because of this ) setting us back a couple of years. He thought that the new NHL was about small skill players being more valuable and the earlier pass overs would be gems... and his moves were just terribad. Even his only good draft(Edler,Schneider) was the work done by Burke since he was only fired 3 weeks earlier and said they "stayed the course" on the scout work. Patrick White was all Nonis not Burke btw.

As a Canuck, Burke drafted The twins, Kesler, Bieksa, Hansen(I think), Brian Allen, RJ Umberger and a few others I cant remember without checking. Those players have added up to few thousands NHL games. Some very long careers there...

The Sedins wasnt a no brainer what so ever. We had 1 first round pick(3rd), not 2. A number of moves had to be made to secure the 2nd overall. Burke had to also make a insurance move to make sure one of them didnt go 1st because the whole thing would have blown up in his face. The risks and price were extremely high but it worked out and since then, anyone who is anyone in hockey coverage will say that was a masterful draft trade... one of the most memorable. Its made this team competitive for a decade and a contender for a couple of seasons. Look how hard we have been trying for legitimate first line talent in the draft since then...

Gillis was not better at much to be honest. He was horribad at trading and drafting. He had 7 1st round picks and two of them were top 10. Two players to show for it... and only 1 is a NHL regular. Your description of Burke getting lucky once and a while applies way more to Gillis. His big move was having cap space to take on a dump and get Ehrhoff. After that he lost trade after trade... even when they looked good on paper... they just didnt work out for us... he got a nut once in a while like Higgins but look at the contract we got stiffed with on Higgins??? That just takes away any kind of positive in a trade.

I'm not at all a Burke fan but there's no way I agree with all the dismissing of his quality work he had done before he went to Toronto. He didnt draft the Ducks but he changed half the roster. How does that get dismissed? He was better than both Nonis and Gillis. Gillis cashed in more on the work of Burke than Nonis that' for sure. Burke became a dinosaur in this league after the two lockouts. He was gone from Van by then.
- boonerbuck

Interesting Points to be sure. I wasn't aware that Burke made that many moves in ANA I was just under the impression that most of the groundwork had been laid out for him by Brian Murray. Even many of the deals Burke took credit for after Murray left were already in place. Would take some interesting research Id bet.

Burke has drafted some Gems but I wouldn't say his draft record is one of his redeeming qualities. Pronger, Sedins,Kesler, Bobby Ryan and yes Bieksa (fifth round pick in 2001) Burke has never been able to find the late bloomers in the draft. I forgot Burke was with the Whalers when he drafted Pronger I was pretty young then. And Manny legace being Burke's best goalie pick? Yipes...

One could make the argument that the Canucks would not have made the cup final in 2011 if not for Burke drafting the Sedins, Kesler and Bieksa...having said that it's highly doubtful they make the final without the Gillis acquisitions of Hamhuis Higgins malholtra Ehrhoff Samuelsson Torres Lapierre and a few others. But other than those aforementioned players..the Canucks really did have little to show for Burkes 6 years at the helm. Burkes first draft in Van (1998 I think) resulted in Allen, Ruutu and Chubarov. But kind of like in ANA much of the legwork before Burkes first draft would have been done for him.

Burke did have a decent draft in Van in 2001 as four of his six picks made the show. But Umberger leaves because of a contract dispute. I am left wondering outside of the Sedins, kesler and Bieksa...what did Burke really do here?

Technically Burkes only stud pick in ANA was Bobby Ryan.

Respectfully I just think that TO (with a fresh start) and even Calgary to some extent we have seen the real Brian Burke where without a little (or a lot) of groundwork and legwork laid out for him his 'genius' as a GM is in question for me. But it's just an opinion as I'm sure many could argue that Burke has done some real good things...which he has.

so the entire D sucks including a olympic gold medalist from 2014? Um no.
so the entire D seems to make the same errors and seems out of position? No again.
we cycled through MANY more players already than coaches.

youd have to hit the huge suck lottery for that to happen

its a flawed system they play in. Thats a coaches domain. Very simple
add that the extreme suck immediately hit with the new bench bosses coming in.
- SMBDragon

Stop with this Olympic medalist crap. Yeah he won, but that was 2 years ago. He is now 2 years older. Last year he played 59 games, This year he is at 47 so far. The guy is getting old and slowing down. His injuries are catching up to him. Time to let go of past achievements and look for the future.

This is the biggest issue I have with some Canuck fans. We are too nostalgic. Enough of looking at the names at the back of the sweaters and time to focus on the crest in the front. Players like Hammer, Burrows, I am grateful for what they have done for the organization. The key word in that statement is "done". I appreciate that they took a pay cut and gave their all, but that does not mean I owe anything to them. The team is grateful. Time to move on.
I am in sales by trade and in Sales there is a very famous and true saying. "You are only as good as your next sale" That means past achievements are what they are, in the past. If you cannot focus to do better in the future then you have less worth for me then you were. It is simple.
This is the reason I like JB. He is not hung up on the bullpoop of what the players have done and is solely looking at current production. You don't produce you are gone. If I cant trade you then I will waive you. Either way time to move on. It is the (frank)ing media and dumb ass fans that just cant let it go.
Sorry for the rant but this just had to be said.

Stop with this Olympic medalist crap. Yeah he won, but that was 2 years ago. He is now 2 years older. Last year he played 59 games, This year he is at 47 so far. The guy is getting old and slowing down. His injuries are catching up to him. Time to let go of past achievements and look for the future.

This is the biggest issue I have with some Canuck fans. We are too nostalgic. Enough of looking at the names at the back of the sweaters and time to focus on the crest in the front. Players like Hammer, Burrows, I am grateful for what they have done for the organization. The key word in that statement is "done". I appreciate that they took a pay cut and gave their all, but that does not mean I owe anything to them. The team is grateful. Time to move on.
I am in sales by trade and in Sales there is a very famous and true saying. "You are only as good as your next sale" That means past achievements are what they are, in the past. If you cannot focus to do better in the future then you have less worth for me then you were. It is simple.
This is the reason I like JB. He is not hung up on the bullpoop of what the players have done and is solely looking at current production. You don't produce you are gone. If I cant trade you then I will waive you. Either way time to move on. It is the (frank)ing media and dumb ass fans that just cant let it go.
Sorry for the rant but this just had to be said.
- Linden_4_Capt

Hamhuis/Burrows/Higgins - all players who were great for us in the cup run, sadly should have all been traded when their stocks were at an all time high.

Hansen is in the same boat right now. I really appreciate all of the work these players have done, but the hole we are in now is largely due to waiting too late to trade players while their value is close to peak for a decent return. Establish a core, make some assets expendable.

Made the playoffs Scooby

http://www.tsn.ca/mondaym...in-draft-lottery-1.456983

a look at how losing out the year might hurt the high pick chances

Perfect summary👍👍

We r 3 players away from from being seriously good
A 2C n Sniper n 2 top 4D n we r a contender.
- Nighthawk

a 2C?
Don't we have like 4 of those already?

a 2C?
Don't we have like 4 of those already?
- Whiskey-Tango

Horvat potentially. I don't buy that he is a career 3C. I think he was rushed into the 2C too soon.

Made the playoffs Scooby
- LeftCoaster

1st time I missed since the first year.

1st time I missed since the first year.
- thundachunk

I'm going full Canucks and getting my ass handed to me in the first round by Zogg....but I made it.

Horvat potentially. I don't buy that he is a career 3C. I think he was rushed into the 2C too soon.
- Codes1087

He needs time. Its early. Thrust into a role too soon but I bet he learns from it and gets better. I feel the same about the rest of the younger players as well.

This was a tough year. Besides boring hockey to watch there was too many injuries. The worst power play I have seen in years. Serious decline in defence. WD's style of coaching isn't really endearing(putting it as political correct as I can without crucifying him). Veterans not named Sedin or Hansen all having career worst ever. Inconsistent goaltending. I could keep listing off the problems.

Horvat potentially. I don't buy that he is a career 3C. I think he was rushed into the 2C too soon.
- Codes1087

What choice did he have though with Sutter out almost all year?

What choice did he have though with Sutter out almost all year?
- LordHumungous

there was no choice. Whisky stated we had 4 second line centers. I just simply stated that we currently have 1, who people think has a ceiling of 3C, but I think he has the potential to be a good 2C when properly being groomed for it.

Can we ban the word offersheet or OS on here? I'm pretty sure I've read that more in thr past few weeks on here then the past 5 years. We're not gonna OS vaatanen or Lindholm get over it fml lol

Can we ban the word offersheet or OS on here? I'm pretty sure I've read that more in thr past few weeks on here then the past 5 years. We're not gonna OS vaatanen or Lindholm get over it fml lol
- MaWLz

If we ban the word offsheet, then we have to ban people projecting the 2016/2017 season roster with Lucic/Stamkos/Lindholm/Vatanen/Shattenkirk/Fowler/Brodin/Backes on them. Fair?