This is not shuffling deck chairs...it was a joke, suggesting that it was easy to find 2 top 4 D's.
The problem is that our Dmen are miscast in roles above their skill level. That's not to say they don't have use, or couldn't find success elsewhere.
If we could add a true 1D and another top 4 D, it would allow the Hamhuis, Hutton's and Tanev's more room to flourish.
- dbot

It is fine to have any one of the three but the other two should be upgraded

The numbers suggest he's a good 3/4 guy miscast as a 1/2 guy.
- LeftCoaster

It is fine to have any one of the three but the other two should be upgraded
- VANTEL

Well, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
But we all agree we need a big upgrade.

Well, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
But we all agree we need a big upgrade.
- dbot

All three are really fine Dmen but not a good combination.

It's like trying to come out with a fine dinning meal and coming out with a lobster a steak and prime rib , with no vegetables or sides. You need to have a mix to make it a good meal

Gotta agree here. Burke acquired that Anaheim cup team that was already built by Brian Murray. Left Nonis an absolute mess in Van and with a fresh start in TO sure he made the PO's once but really he did mostly nothing there. I'm sure he has influence in Calgary but really Treliving is the sharp guy there…not Burke.

I will give Burke credit for drafting the Sedins and Burkes draft record has been decent. Bringing in Pronger and Giguere in ANA…but outside of a few lucky moves the guy is pretty overrated.
- LordHumungous

All kinds of poor memory in the 3 or 4 posts about this. I'll address it all in this reply. Pardon me if some of it wasn't said by you.

Burke brought in 11 new player before the Ducks won the cup some of them very big additions. He inherited a team with good assets but how many times have we seen that blundered by a GM? You have put something spectacular together to win it all...

He did not leave Nonis a mess. Nonis is just that bad. They just made the playoffs and Nonis took over and crashed and burned right away. The rest of the league was busy resetting the roster with free buyouts after the lockout and he ignored that(it became his mess because of this ) setting us back a couple of years. He thought that the new NHL was about small skill players being more valuable and the earlier pass overs would be gems... and his moves were just terribad. Even his only good draft(Edler,Schneider) was the work done by Burke since he was only fired 3 weeks earlier and said they "stayed the course" on the scout work. Patrick White was all Nonis not Burke btw.

As a Canuck, Burke drafted The twins, Kesler, Bieksa, Hansen(I think), Brian Allen, RJ Umberger and a few others I cant remember without checking. Those players have added up to few thousands NHL games. Some very long careers there...

The Sedins wasnt a no brainer what so ever. We had 1 first round pick(3rd), not 2. A number of moves had to be made to secure the 2nd overall. Burke had to also make a insurance move to make sure one of them didnt go 1st because the whole thing would have blown up in his face. The risks and price were extremely high but it worked out and since then, anyone who is anyone in hockey coverage will say that was a masterful draft trade... one of the most memorable. Its made this team competitive for a decade and a contender for a couple of seasons. Look how hard we have been trying for legitimate first line talent in the draft since then...

Gillis was not better at much to be honest. He was horribad at trading and drafting. He had 7 1st round picks and two of them were top 10. Two players to show for it... and only 1 is a NHL regular. Your description of Burke getting lucky once and a while applies way more to Gillis. His big move was having cap space to take on a dump and get Ehrhoff. After that he lost trade after trade... even when they looked good on paper... they just didnt work out for us... he got a nut once in a while like Higgins but look at the contract we got stiffed with on Higgins??? That just takes away any kind of positive in a trade.

I'm not at all a Burke fan but there's no way I agree with all the dismissing of his quality work he had done before he went to Toronto. He didnt draft the Ducks but he changed half the roster. How does that get dismissed? He was better than both Nonis and Gillis. Gillis cashed in more on the work of Burke than Nonis that' for sure. Burke became a dinosaur in this league after the two lockouts. He was gone from Van by then.

All kinds of poor memory in the 3 or 4 posts about this. I'll address it all in this reply. Pardon me if some of it wasn't said by you.

Burke brought in 11 new player before the Ducks won the cup some of them very big additions. He inherited a team with good assets but how many times have we seen that blundered by a GM? You have put something spectacular together to win it all...

He did not leave Nonis a mess. Nonis is just that bad. They just made the playoffs and Nonis took over and crashed and burned right away. The rest of the league was busy resetting the roster with free buyouts after the lockout and he ignored that(it became his mess because of this ) setting us back a couple of years. He thought that the new NHL was about small skill players being more valuable and the earlier pass overs would be gems... and his moves were just terribad. Even his only good draft(Edler,Schneider) was the work done by Burke since he was only fired 3 weeks earlier and said they "stayed the course" on the scout work. Patrick White was all Nonis not Burke btw.

As a Canuck, Burke drafted The twins, Kesler, Bieksa, Hansen(I think), Brian Allen, RJ Umberger and a few others I cant remember without checking. Those players have added up to few thousands NHL games. Some very long careers there...

The Sedins wasnt a no brainer what so ever. We had 1 first round pick(3rd), not 2. A number of moves had to be made to secure the 2nd overall. Burke had to also make a insurance move to make sure one of them didnt go 1st because the whole thing would have blown up in his face. The risks and price were extremely high but it worked out and since then, anyone who is anyone in hockey coverage will say that was a masterful draft trade... one of the most memorable. Its made this team competitive for a decade and a contender for a couple of seasons. Look how hard we have been trying for legitimate first line talent in the draft since then...

Gillis was not better at much to be honest. He was horribad at trading and drafting. He had 7 1st round picks and two of them were top 10. Two players to show for it... and only 1 is a NHL regular. Your description of Burke getting lucky once and a while applies way more to Gillis. His big move was having cap space to take on a dump and get Ehrhoff. After that he lost trade after trade... even when they looked good on paper... they just didnt work out for us... he got a nut once in a while like Higgins but look at the contract we got stiffed with on Higgins??? That just takes away any kind of positive in a trade.

I'm not at all a Burke fan but there's no way I agree with all the dismissing of his quality work he had done before he went to Toronto. He didnt draft the Ducks but he changed half the roster. How does that get dismissed? He was better than both Nonis and Gillis. Gillis cashed in more on the work of Burke than Nonis that' for sure. Burke became a dinosaur in this league after the two lockouts. He was gone from Van by then.
- boonerbuck

Canucks = Obvious Tanking
- 1967_2015champs

Too many injuries n a lousy home record = a lousy season
Teardown n fire sale for 82 games = the ultimate tank
TO uses semantics n u eat it up😂😂

OS is not all that dumb. What if there are no top end D again like last year? You also need a couple of years to develop them.

Cgy traded for Hamilton with a first and two seconds. The OS you will give up a first second and a third.

Next , I don't think a healthy Canuck team finishes in bottom 10.
- VANTEL

Eg an OS for say a Vatanen @5.74m cost a 1st n 3rd.
Now is Vatanen better than what a 1st prospect would be?
I'd say definitely since he is proven n NHL ready.
His offense n PP is what we lack n need.
The 3rd pick usually amounts to not much.

Eg an OS for say a Vatanen @5.74m cost a 1st n 3rd.
Now is Vatanen better than what a 1st prospect would be?
I'd say definitely since he is proven n NHL ready.
His offense n PP is what we lack n need.
The 3rd pick usually amounts to not much.
- Nighthawk

Ive liked the last few 3rd round picks the canucks made, Brisboise, Tryamkin, Cassels, Subban.

Eg an OS for say a Vatanen @5.74m cost a 1st n 3rd.
Now is Vatanen better than what a 1st prospect would be?
I'd say definitely since he is proven n NHL ready.
His offense n PP is what we lack n need.
The 3rd pick usually amounts to not much.
- Nighthawk

I wouldn't be expecting OS from Benning.

The captains should actually point they're finger and say who they expect more effort from instead of beating around the bush about it . Sedins need to grow some balls and actually speak up
- Cletuswest

Throwing teammates under the bus is not leadership.
Its obvious u never played competetive sports or were a leader.
The fans don't deserve names to suit their own reasons.

Ive liked the last few 3rd round picks the canucks made, Brisboise, Tryamkin, Cassels, Subban.
- phyllee

This is true but its the weighing of the value of who gets an OS.

That's not what I said. Go back and read my post.


sorry. I couldn't resist.

I like some of our D just fine. No i don't think we need to swap our top 8 out.
But i think we need some changes, need to make some space and target a top 4 that can hopefully grow into a top 2.
- dbot

I was pointing out that if you believe what vantel does than youd have to believe those ridiculous parts of it.

he knows alot about drafting and value etc but nothing about strategy....which most dont.

some cant see the truth others dont wish to see the truth.

As someone mentioned earlier we r not really a bottom 10 teams without all the injuries. What it boils down to is if an OS is offered for a key piece for the core going forward. For a top 4 D at this time IMO thats a worthwhile consideration but no OS is fine also. Much hinges on other moves being made n what JB has in mind for our design moving forward.

That's ok what the lack in their horrid point production , they make up with by injecting the fear of God with their bone crushing hits and their toughness.
- VANTEL

id really love to see that type of hockey again. It seems so rare in todays nhl.
god I miss watching pronger play. Scott stevens and hatcher too.

No doubt . That is why I specifally say the D needs an upgrade.
- VANTEL

lets hope tree can do that in a few years. Liking pedan as well.
2 sweet additions this late season

A few of these new posters are really (frank)ing annoying.

id really love to see that type of hockey again. It seems so rare in todays nhl.
god I miss watching pronger play. Scott stevens and hatcher too.
- SMBDragon

Players today would skate circles around those guys.

We need a 2C n 2 top 4 D going forward.
Goalies r on track currently.
C next year ideally is Stamkos if thats possible.
Say we luck out n get Laine.

Dank Hank Sutter
Sven Stamkos Laine
Hansen Bo JV
Vey Granlund Dorsett
Etem Burrows/Gaunce

Thats in an ideal world n solid scoring n veterans.
Gives the kids time in Utica to develop or be call ups.
Assets could stay or be moved idk for who atm.

If not Stamkos which is highly probable its 1 year of more pain but still with a playoff push as the goal. It doesn't matter what we believe or want the Canucks r not giving up on being a playoff team.

A few of these new posters are really (frank)ing annoying.
- Scooby_Doo

I hear yah man. Im posting less and less every day. Reading some of the garbage on here is almost unbareable.

We need a 2C n 2 top 4 D going forward.
Goalies r on track currently.
C next year ideally is Stamkos if thats possible.
Say we luck out n get Laine.

Dank Hank Sutter
Sven Stamkos Laine
Hansen Bo JV
Vey Granlund Dorsett
Etem Burrows/Gaunce

Thats in an ideal world n solid scoring n veterans.
Gives the kids time in Utica to develop or be call ups.
Assets could stay or be moved idk for who atm.

If not Stamkos which is highly probable its 1 year of more pain but still with a playoff push as the goal. It doesn't matter what we believe or want the Canucks r not giving up on being a playoff team.
- Nighthawk

Stamkos will not be a Canuck. Seriously. What fantasy world do you live in. He wants to win, wont sign with a team that blows ass.

I hear yah man. Im posting less and less every day. Reading some of the garbage on here is almost unbareable.
- vancity787

Yeah me too. Problem is I have no where else to go. I started sh1t talking all my friends like I do to people here and now have no friends.

All kinds of poor memory in the 3 or 4 posts about this. I'll address it all in this reply. Pardon me if some of it wasn't said by you.

Burke brought in 11 new player before the Ducks won the cup some of them very big additions. He inherited a team with good assets but how many times have we seen that blundered by a GM? You have put something spectacular together to win it all...

He did not leave Nonis a mess. Nonis is just that bad. They just made the playoffs and Nonis took over and crashed and burned right away. The rest of the league was busy resetting the roster with free buyouts after the lockout and he ignored that(it became his mess because of this ) setting us back a couple of years. He thought that the new NHL was about small skill players being more valuable and the earlier pass overs would be gems... and his moves were just terribad. Even his only good draft(Edler,Schneider) was the work done by Burke since he was only fired 3 weeks earlier and said they "stayed the course" on the scout work. Patrick White was all Nonis not Burke btw.

As a Canuck, Burke drafted The twins, Kesler, Bieksa, Hansen(I think), Brian Allen, RJ Umberger and a few others I cant remember without checking. Those players have added up to few thousands NHL games. Some very long careers there...

The Sedins wasnt a no brainer what so ever. We had 1 first round pick(3rd), not 2. A number of moves had to be made to secure the 2nd overall. Burke had to also make a insurance move to make sure one of them didnt go 1st because the whole thing would have blown up in his face. The risks and price were extremely high but it worked out and since then, anyone who is anyone in hockey coverage will say that was a masterful draft trade... one of the most memorable. Its made this team competitive for a decade and a contender for a couple of seasons. Look how hard we have been trying for legitimate first line talent in the draft since then...

Gillis was not better at much to be honest. He was horribad at trading and drafting. He had 7 1st round picks and two of them were top 10. Two players to show for it... and only 1 is a NHL regular. Your description of Burke getting lucky once and a while applies way more to Gillis. His big move was having cap space to take on a dump and get Ehrhoff. After that he lost trade after trade... even when they looked good on paper... they just didnt work out for us... he got a nut once in a while like Higgins but look at the contract we got stiffed with on Higgins??? That just takes away any kind of positive in a trade.

I'm not at all a Burke fan but there's no way I agree with all the dismissing of his quality work he had done before he went to Toronto. He didnt draft the Ducks but he changed half the roster. How does that get dismissed? He was better than both Nonis and Gillis. Gillis cashed in more on the work of Burke than Nonis that' for sure. Burke became a dinosaur in this league after the two lockouts. He was gone from Van by then.
- boonerbuck

white was nonis pick? ok...anyone was better than nonis...I, sure we can all agree on that!
yes burke had to trade to get sedins but the pick itself wasnt any stroke of genius like some make it sound like. its not like he "found" them in the 3rd round like a datsyuk or bure.
I forgot about umberger. Good pick. was good for a few years... lost track of where he is now about being traded a ton. I wish we had him but burke blew up in contract talks blew a blood vessel and traded him in anger for a guy that never amounted to squat. Another blown trade!
Nonis had only 1 single good ability...assessing goalies. Brought us luongo as his 1st move than drafted schneider. Later in TO he solidified the goalie situation for years w benier and i forgot the other.

Gillis sucked badly at drafting clearly. He had a few good ones but way too many stinkers, same as burke. Id actually put gillis ahead of burke trade wise. reason is burke when he traded had the guy we got never amount top squat. Usually not even make the roster. Gillis's trades just didnt usually live up to messiah status. Ballard for example played here for quite a few years, was on our cup run etc. Burkes trades often were never on roster or for long.
With Gillis he didnt have a lot of trade options available since he was blacklisted by GMs due to previously being an agent. We will never know if he could have been better if more than a single team or 2 would talk to him. SO its difficult to assess.

Burke was left a team mainly built by quinn and keenan. Burke did bring in Jovo for sure and bieksa. Maybe others too that arent coming to mind.

Where gillis excelled was 2 things. Getting players to sign and to sign for much less.
The other thing was assessment of what the team needed. All 6 of his trades and signings leading to cup run were huge and directly instrumental in making that happen. He knew the right places to address and who to put there. 6 for 6 is pretty amazing. Unfortunately there was a descent over the next few years that most people remember.

However, at todays date we currently have JB. Probably the finest drafter we have EVER had in our history. Quinn was pretty good too. Pretty happy with our trades withJB too. Quality GM. Good choice by Linden.

Stamkos will not be a Canuck. Seriously. What fantasy world do you live in. He wants to win, wont sign with a team that blows ass.
- vancity787

Its merely a projection to what would be ideal nothing more.
Other options for the roster would follow up.
Backes would be a saner choice n after that idk if we go any further for a UFA at C.
If no options work out for a C then its on to a bigger push remaking the D.
I simply want scoring done on our forwards while there is opportunity.
The D is much more difficult n harder to fix overnight without an OS IMO.

Players today would skate circles around those guys.
- A_SteamingLombardi

thats probably true in todays nhl. In those days those same players would be on their butts wondering what the f&ck happened

Basically I was just saying I miss that type of play. Good ol days