Just deal with it. Vegas and Quebec are coming to clean your Dman closet.
Accept it.
- stowerkraut

So... 1 or 2 teams. And they are ONLY going to pick our defensemen?

Also doesn't apply to the 17-18 year at the earliest.
- Guile

It's expected to only be one team. Rumor is only Vegas put in a satisfactory bid.

I'm cap illiterate. Please explain
- Victoro311

Your not the only one because Im not even sure what Im looking at.

But the players have a 5 percent esculator clause in the contract meaning they can enact that to bring up the cap 5 percent. However, they must contribute huge percentage of their salary to escrow now even larger then last years. I severely doubt they will alow it and vote for it because of that reason

Relax. The more depressing thing is potentially losing Murray for nothing. Schultz is probably gone at the end of this season. We will lose him for nothing, unless something strange happens. Lovejoy or Cole ... no biggie. Lovejoy is a pending ufa.

The NHL essentially wants its expansion teams, whenever it happens to be competitive out of the gate and not struggle as much as Ottawa, SJ and all the others.
- Oneonta Penguin

I'm like 75% sure we'd protect Murray. But at what point is a player considered an NHL player? Could we still pass off Murray as an AHL prospect?

My two worries would be losing Fleury prematurely. If we protect Murray he'd easily be one of the best goalies going into the draft. The other would be losing DP for nothing. We need him either on this team moving forward or as a trade chip

Relax. The more depressing thing is potentially losing Murray for nothing. Schultz is probably gone at the end of this season. We will lose him for nothing, unless something strange happens. Lovejoy or Cole ... no biggie. Lovejoy is a pending ufa.

The NHL essentially wants its expansion teams, whenever it happens to be competitive out of the gate and not struggle as much as Ottawa, SJ and all the others.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah I actually said that in a later post. This is not an organization who can afford to lose Murray or Pouliot for nothing.

Just deal with it. Vegas and Quebec are coming to clean your Dman closet.
Accept it.
- stowerkraut

I dont think thats the case for us. I would assume depending on when it is for the draft year the flyers will hold off on bringing up their dmen from juniors until age 20 when they can actually play in the ahl and use a year of elc. I would think we would need to cover only mdz, if still with team, ghost and thats about it since our big three morin,provy, and sahnheim would either be on their first year or two of elc. Maybe morin would hvae to be protected. I dont know, I just got confused.

I'm like 75% sure we'd protect Murray. But at what point is a player considered an NHL player? Could we still pass off Murray as an AHL prospect?

My two worries would be losing Fleury prematurely. If we protect Murray he'd easily be one of the best goalies going into the draft. The other would be losing DP for nothing. We need him either on this team moving forward or as a trade chip
- Victoro311

They said first and second year pro's are exempt, including AHL pros. So, the 2017-18 offseason Murray would be heading into his third pro year and not exempt.

I mean they could always take one of Gibson/Anderson duo in Anaheim or something, but I feel Murray would be a top target. Maybe its best to protect Murray and risk them taking Fleury.

It's expected to only be one team. Rumor is only Vegas put in a satisfactory bid.
- Zac_O

Theyve got to even up those western divisions eventually so theres the same amount of teams as the eastern divisions. I know people say the west is stronger but with two less teams its actually easier to make the playoffs. They will expand to two teams sooner than later, if not the same year. If Vegas is one they will go to the west. If Quebec is the other one, then one of the existing east teams will get moved
to west conference.

They said first and second year pro's are exempt, including AHL pros. So, the 2017-18 offseason Murray would be heading into his third pro year and not exempt.

I mean they could always take one of Gibson/Anderson duo in Anaheim or something, but I feel Murray would be a top target. Maybe its best to protect Murray and risk them taking Fleury.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Forgot about Anderson/Gibson. They'd 100% go over Flower/Murray. But if there's a two team expansion like logic dictates, Flower/Murray would probably be next. Unless we protect Murray and the other team goes for Halak/Greiss due to lower cap hit.

Theyve got to even up those western divisions eventually so theres the same amount of teams as the eastern divisions. I know people say the west is stronger but with two less teams its actually easier to make the playoffs. They will expand to two teams sooner than later, if not the same year. If Vegas is one they will go to the west. If Quebec is the other one, then one of the existing east teams will get moved
to west conference.
- MattStrat

I feel like Detroit belongs in the same devision as Chicago but that won't happen again for a while. My guess is that Vegas gets a team, and Seattle will eventually get a team as well. Then an Eastern team in a crummy market will eventually be moved to Quebec City. I think QC is a few years away from a riot if they don't get the Nordiques back.

@Guile

What's a doges?
- pensfan024

The site censoring system apparently

Theyve got to even up those western divisions eventually so theres the same amount of teams as the eastern divisions. I know people say the west is stronger but with two less teams its actually easier to make the playoffs. They will expand to two teams sooner than later, if not the same year. If Vegas is one they will go to the west. If Quebec is the other one, then one of the existing east teams will get moved
to west conference.
- MattStrat

I believe the only places the NHL is giving an chance to are Vegas and Seattle. The nhl has already said the wings and bjs will not be moved back west. But thet did hint that any expansion teams would be in west regardless of their location. So Quebec city would be in the western division until a team from the east moves west.

I believe the only places the NHL is giving an chance to are Vegas and Seattle. The nhl has already said the wings and bjs will not be moved back west. But thet did hint that any expansion teams would be in west regardless of their location. So Quebec city would be in the western division until a team from the east moves west.
- Zac_O

Is Arizona still due to move? Or are they holding that contract strong and refusing for another ~ 6 years or whatever it was?


Or if they get their hometown kid as the #1 pick, that might turn around their revenue enough anyway.

I feel like Detroit belongs in the same devision as Chicago but that won't happen again for a while. My guess is that Vegas gets a team, and Seattle will eventually get a team as well. Then an Eastern team in a crummy market will eventually be moved to Quebec City. I think QC is a few years away from a riot if they don't get the Nordiques back.
- Victoro311

They can riot all they want. It doesnt make it a profitable market. The NHL is all about the money. Vegas brings the money. Quebec city would have a hard time breaking even according to analysts.

Is Arizona still due to move? Or are they holding that contract strong and refusing for another ~ 6 years or whatever it was?


Or if they get their hometown kid as the #1 pick, that might turn around their revenue enough anyway.
- Guile

Both the owners of the yotes and the nhl want to stay in Arizona. So them moving is out of the question right now. They plan to move to a better arena in a different suburb soon anyways.

They can riot all they want. It doesnt make it a profitable market. The NHL is all about the money. Vegas brings the money. Quebec city would have a hard time breaking even according to analysts.
- Zac_O

Coyotes say hi.

Both the owners of the yotes and the nhl want to stay in Arizona. So them moving is out of the question right now. They plan to move to a better arena in a different suburb soon anyways.
- Zac_O

Ah, so was just the city/state whining. Couldn't remember who female doged.

How would the expansion draft work for players with NMC's? I cannot possibly see the players union accepting a player who negotiated a NMC into his deal is now subject to movement to an expansion team. Unless of course there's some kind of language in the CBA.....which I doubt.

Coyotes say hi.
- jmdodgeser4

Did Arizona have over 10,000 season tickets sold 2-3 years before a team was even approved? Vegas is doing everything the exactly correct way to make a profit in the NHL. There is no reason not to let them have a team.

Ah, so was just the city/state whining. Couldn't remember who female doged.
- Guile

From what I read it was the city not wanting to pay to the up keep on their own arena so they booted the team. I feel sorry for the team.

Did Arizona have over 10,000 season tickets sold 2-3 years before a team was even approved? Vegas is doing everything the exactly correct way to make a profit in the NHL. There is no reason not to let them have a team.
- Zac_O

I demand they be the alas Vegas Mafiosos

I believe the only places the NHL is giving an chance to are Vegas and Seattle. The nhl has already said the wings and bjs will not be moved back west. But thet did hint that any expansion teams would be in west regardless of their location. So Quebec city would be in the western division until a team from the east moves west.
- Zac_O

Admittedly, I havent been doing much following/reading on anything expansion related. Thought Quebec was a frontrunner and as Canadian kind of hope we get another team. It's in our bloodlines up here. I also remember the intense battles of the Habs and Nords back in the day. Furthermore I kinda feel bad that the team left Quebec for Colorado then won a cup the very next year. If I was a Nords fan Id be furious.

How would the expansion draft work for players with NMC's? I cannot possibly see the players union accepting a player who negotiated a NMC into his deal is now subject to movement to an expansion team. Unless of course there's some kind of language in the CBA.....which I doubt.
- madmike71

I'm not sure but also from what I understand if only on team joins the league only one player can be picked from each of the other teams. So the pens would only lose one player.

They said first and second year pro's are exempt, including AHL pros. So, the 2017-18 offseason Murray would be heading into his third pro year and not exempt.

I mean they could always take one of Gibson/Anderson duo in Anaheim or something, but I feel Murray would be a top target. Maybe its best to protect Murray and risk them taking Fleury.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If I were gm it would speed up my trading of fleury even if prematurely. I wouldn't be willing to lose Murray even if it's at the expense of fleury. And I think fleury is terrific.

Looks like just 1 team is most likely. So we only lose one player, and I figured theyd probably rather take our 4D instead of a our 7th F.

First and second year pros are exempt, but by that time, Pouliot will not be exempt. I figure the Vegas Virgins would rather take Pouliot or Dumoulin from us than Bonino or whoever.

Edit: come to think of it....they could even take Matt Murray!!!
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Using Nashville's expansion draft as an example, in return for agreeing not to select certain unprotected players, the Predators were granted concessions by other franchises. The trades not involving Nashville draft picks all officially were booked as being for "future considerations":
"Philadelphia traded Dominic Roussel and Jeff Staples to Nashville after the Predators agreed not to select Paul Coffey (Nashville also sent the Flyers a seventh-round pick (Cam Ondrik) in the 1998 NHL Entry Draft)."