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Forums :: Blog World :: Jared Crozier: Game Day: Stars @ Senators; Sens Beat Leafs, Hoffman Benched
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legs37
Ottawa Senators
Location: Carleton Place, ON
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 6 @ 4:58 PM ET
Benching him for a period isn't productive. How can you say Hoffman doesn't bring anything to the table if he isn't scoring? Would you also say the same for a guy like Kessel, Perry, or Nash? That's (frank)ing nuts. The guys who score goals are the reason you win, you shouldn't treat a 30-goal scorer like they are a rookie or a bottom-6 plug. They deserve way more respect. Cameron is utilizing the mantra that NHL players have the same mindset as junior players. As far as I see it, it's either Cameron goes this offseason or Hoffman will hold out and ask for a trade. The latter would set this team back another season or two.
- TheCalSen


I agree 100%

Any coach (Cameron) who chooses Gomez over Hoffman and says, "Gomez had more to offer..." is a joke.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 6 @ 5:15 PM ET
Benching him for a period isn't productive. How can you say Hoffman doesn't bring anything to the table if he isn't scoring? Would you also say the same for a guy like Kessel, Perry, or Nash? That's (frank)ing nuts. The guys who score goals are the reason you win, you shouldn't treat a 30-goal scorer like they are a rookie or a bottom-6 plug. They deserve way more respect. Cameron is utilizing the mantra that NHL players have the same mindset as junior players. As far as I see it, it's either Cameron goes this offseason or Hoffman will hold out and ask for a trade. The latter would set this team back another season or two.
- TheCalSen


i would definitely say that about hoffman. in his last 10 games he has 1 goal, 3 pts. in his last 20 games he only has 4 goals. Since 1 Jan he has 6 goals and 5 assists. this isn't one game where he's been poop, he hasn't been a productive player in more than 2 months.

if kessel and nash don't score goals they don't do much else........so yes i'd say the same for them.

perry has more to his game than just scoring goals.

hoffman is not a 30 goal scorer, and if he continues playing the way he has the last few months he won't be by the end of this year.

hoffman is a second year pro....he doesn't DESERVE poop, he has to earn it, and the last 10-15 games he hasn't.
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Mar 6 @ 6:12 PM ET
Hoffman with Neil and Lazar........
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Mar 6 @ 6:15 PM ET

hoffman is a second year pro....he doesn't DESERVE poop, he has to earn it, and the last 10-15 games he hasn't.

- sensarmy_11


The problem is, there are probably several teams willing to offer at least two times the money and length...
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 6 @ 6:20 PM ET
The problem is, there are probably several teams willing to offer at least two times the money and length...
- Ottawa Fan


i'm not talking money, i'm talking ice time.

he isn't entitled to ice time, especially if he isn't producing. he's not some 10 year vet who's proved year after year that they are stars in this league.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Mar 6 @ 6:25 PM ET
i would definitely say that about hoffman. in his last 10 games he has 1 goal, 3 pts. in his last 20 games he only has 4 goals. Since 1 Jan he has 6 goals and 5 assists. this isn't one game where he's been poop, he hasn't been a productive player in more than 2 months.

if kessel and nash don't score goals they don't do much else........so yes i'd say the same for them.

perry has more to his game than just scoring goals.

hoffman is not a 30 goal scorer, and if he continues playing the way he has the last few months he won't be by the end of this year.

hoffman is a second year pro....he doesn't DESERVE poop, he has to earn it, and the last 10-15 games he hasn't.

- sensarmy_11


I would disagree Hoffman could be a 30+ goal scorer. the problem is that the coaching staff messed with the lines and then started giving him less ice time and putting him in situations where he isn't going to thrive...

I am still convinced they are doing it on purpose so that they can save money on his contract.

I would be extremely disappointed but not shocked if he didn't resign with the Sens. We have treated him like crap and he deserves better
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 6 @ 6:31 PM ET
I would disagree Hoffman could be a 30+ goal scorer. the problem is that the coaching staff messed with the lines and then started giving him less ice time and putting him in situations where he isn't going to thrive...

I am still convinced they are doing it on purpose so that they can save money on his contract.

I would be extremely disappointed but not shocked if he didn't resign with the Sens. We have treated him like crap and he deserves better

- Maverick1818


all this 'he deserves' stuff is ridiculous.

people aren't up in arms when zibby gets put down in the lineup or has his ice time cut as a result of poopty play......why defend hoffman when the same thing happens to him? he has not played well in over 2 months, and he DESERVES only what he EARNS....adn right now that's NOTHING.
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Mar 6 @ 6:33 PM ET
Is there a stat of player minor penalties that result in other team scoring on power play?

I think Zack Smith leads the league
kratosmr
Ottawa Senators
Location: Pwllheli
Joined: 07.02.2014

Mar 6 @ 6:34 PM ET
I would disagree Hoffman could be a 30+ goal scorer. the problem is that the coaching staff messed with the lines and then started giving him less ice time and putting him in situations where he isn't going to thrive...

I am still convinced they are doing it on purpose so that they can save money on his contract.

I would be extremely disappointed but not shocked if he didn't resign with the Sens. We have treated him like crap and he deserves better

- Maverick1818


Thing is we have no idea what his attitude is like. No one is immune to being given a kick up the backside. I'm not a fan of Cameron's line juggling and some of his more head scratching decisions. But he is privy to things that we will not be, same goes for any coach in any sport.I am also not convinced him and Murray are on the same page. I don't buy the saving money argument either but if that does turn out to be case then everyone in that organisation needs to take a serious look at themselves.
kratosmr
Ottawa Senators
Location: Pwllheli
Joined: 07.02.2014

Mar 6 @ 6:36 PM ET
all this 'he deserves' stuff is ridiculous.

people aren't up in arms when zibby gets put down in the lineup or has his ice time cut as a result of poopty play......why defend hoffman when the same thing happens to him? he has not played well in over 2 months, and he DESERVES only what he EARNS....adn right now that's NOTHING.

- sensarmy_11


Agreed. No one should be immune to criticism and being punished for poor play.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Mar 6 @ 6:36 PM ET
all this 'he deserves' stuff is ridiculous.

people aren't up in arms when zibby gets put down in the lineup or has his ice time cut as a result of poopty play......why defend hoffman when the same thing happens to him? he has not played well in over 2 months, and he DESERVES only what he EARNS....adn right now that's NOTHING.

- sensarmy_11

Difference being that Hoffman is our top scorer, he was carrying our team at the start of the year and Zibby has been playing horrible all year
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Mar 6 @ 6:38 PM ET
I've seen two Spezza slap shots from the right in the PP, one goal

Has Bobby Ryan ever took a slap shot from there.. Better yet... Does he ever take a slap shot?
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 6 @ 6:40 PM ET
Difference being that Hoffman is our top scorer, he was carrying our team at the start of the year and Zibby has been playing horrible all year
- Maverick1818


so being the leading scorer excuses the fact that a player doesn't produce for more than 2 months?

he pulled the same disappearing act last season too....
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Mar 6 @ 6:43 PM ET
so being the leading scorer excuses the fact that a player doesn't produce for more than 2 months?

he pulled the same disappearing act last season too....

- sensarmy_11

No coaching staff did the same crap last season. They were working great and then mixed up the lines and messed up all the chemistry. People haven't been complaining about Stone playing like crap all year. Why does everyone seemingly get a pass other then Hoffman, a guy who is our top scorer and carried our team the first half of the season.

We should get trying to get him back on pace and producing rather then benching him and saying "to bad, now you will make a smaller contract"
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 6 @ 6:49 PM ET
No coaching staff did the same crap last season. They were working great and then mixed up the lines and messed up all the chemistry. People haven't been complaining about Stone playing like crap all year. Why does everyone seemingly get a pass other then Hoffman, a guy who is our top scorer and carried our team the first half of the season.

We should get trying to get him back on pace and producing rather then benching him and saying "to bad, now you will make a smaller contract"

- Maverick1818


stone is 2nd on teh team in scoring (ahead of hoffman) and is leading the league by a (frank)ing mile in takeaways.

and let's not act like hoffman is getting benched all the time here....the only forwards with more ice time per game than him are stone and turris.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Mar 6 @ 6:55 PM ET
stone is 2nd on teh team in scoring (ahead of hoffman) and is leading the league by a (frank)ing mile in takeaways.

and let's not act like hoffman is getting benched all the time here....the only forwards with more ice time per game than him are stone and turris.

- sensarmy_11

Stone among several others are not living up to expectations and has not gotten any crap for it.

All i'm saying is that we shouldn't be blaming Hoffman for his production going down. We should be blaming the coaching staff for messing with lines that worked and then not putting him in a position to get back on pace.

We should be trying to be positive and get him back going rather then trying to save a buck off his next contract
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:00 PM ET
93 fail
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 6 @ 7:01 PM ET
Stone among several others are not living up to expectations and has not gotten any crap for it.

All i'm saying is that we shouldn't be blaming Hoffman for his production going down. We should be blaming the coaching staff for messing with lines that worked and then not putting him in a position to get back on pace.

We should be trying to be positive and get him back going rather then trying to save a buck off his next contract

- Maverick1818


if you believe that's what they're actually doing......then i've got some oceanfront property to sell you in Kanata

he got benched for one period because he sucked ass, not to save money.

and, like i said, he's had more ice time than anyone not named turris and stone....so CLEARLY they're trying to let him play through it, and it's not working.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:07 PM ET
According to the CBC some of the Leaf players already walk on water, so why any true fan hopes their team loses for a lottery shot at a 'hockey Messiah' is mind-boggling. I guess when you're that far down you may as well go all the way!
- legs37


The more water walkers the better.
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:08 PM ET
Smiles with a goal!

Update: nevermind
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:15 PM ET
Smiles with a goal!

Update: nevermind

- Ottawa Fan


Go Sens Go!
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:30 PM ET
Go Sens Go!
- systemtool

Go Marlies Go !
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:30 PM ET
Go Sens Go!
- systemtool

Go Marlies Go !
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:35 PM ET
Go Marlies Go !
- AlfieisKing


I agree! What a season. First and last all at thhe same time!
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Mar 6 @ 7:41 PM ET
Hoffman needs to play more
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