There's a ton of truth to all of this

I was firmly on the trade nuge bandwagon for a few reasons. (Return-ebs pure snipe-no one else on the right side etc)
But Now I'm really unsure

Not saying I've changed my mind as one of ems gotta go, but we've looked markedly worse without nuge. And that's saying a lot as we were pretty bad with him

The first should absolutely be dealt imo

And at least one of nuge/hall/ebs.
Not sure who though. I've changed my mind a bunch of times
- HB77

If one of those guys goes, then a studd #1D has to come back because losing one of those guys better result in a homerun of a trade. They are locked up for a while on good $$$. The team really does benefit from not having shultz in the lineup now. Yakupov has pretty much proven he really has no fit on the team. So move the first, yak, other picks/prospects for some decent help on the back end. Sign UFA's this summer, and only move one of the 3 you mentioned, if it is that can't miss deal.

I said it before and ill say it again....I do not hate Nuge...I think Nuge is a pretty solid player and is our best two way player...with that being said Nuge is also our best trade bait at this point to getting a much needed top pairing D man.....if our defence was solid I wouldnt speak of trading Nuge...its not a dislike thing its a need thing...im well aware we sucked without him but guess what? we have sucked with him too...again not Nuge hating its just looking at it from a different perspective
- RatedR80

Like I said to the HB77, if Nuge goes, then it better be a stud #1 coming back in some kind of deal. A lot is lost by moving him, so the return better make up for the loss, and then some.
Also sorry I haven't been pulling my weight lately coach. I guess my play that some rubes jumped all over and proclaimed me as bonified #1 centerman, wasn't exactly sustainable.

If one of those guys goes, then a studd #1D has to come back because losing one of those guys better result in a homerun of a trade. They are locked up for a while on good $$$. The team really does benefit from not having shultz in the lineup now. Yakupov has pretty much proven he really has no fit on the team. So move the first, yak, other picks/prospects for some decent help on the back end. Sign UFA's this summer, and only move one of the 3 you mentioned, if it is that can't miss deal.
- leonkennedy

Thing is- other than hall- I really don't think they (nuge/ebs) can garner that true 1. So by your standards it might not be worth it.

Top pairing guys or younger top 4 with potential to be that 1, yes.
Like the hamonics, shattenkirks, troubas etc.

But imo, hall is the only one that gets someone considering oel or weber in return. And even then we're adding I think.

You're totally right on the contract dollars, none of those deals look bad. but it wouldn't hurt at all going forward dealing 6$ of eberle and taking back 3.9$ of hsmonic for example


If we do win the lottery- we should have Maloney on the phone immediately trying to sell Arizona boy Matthews for oel

Then maybe sign a free agent as well as you've suggested

Like I said to the HB77, if Nuge goes, then it better be a stud #1 coming back in some kind of deal. A lot is lost by moving him, so the return better make up for the loss, and then some.
Also sorry I haven't been pulling my weight lately coach. I guess my play that some rubes jumped all over and proclaimed me as bonified #1 centerman, wasn't exactly sustainable.
- leonkennedy

Could still end up with 50+ points with not having a full 82 game season...not a bad first full year overall I would say even if the production has dropped a bit

1st +
Trouba/shattenkirk

Ebs/nuge
Brodin+/hamonic/lindholm/vatanen ++

Yaks (if it's nuge traded)
3c/quality middle 6'er



One can dream

Thing is- other than hall- I really don't think they (nuge/ebs) can garner that true 1. So by your standards it might not be worth it.

Top pairing guys or younger top 4 with potential to be that 1, yes.
Like the hamonics, shattenkirks, troubas etc.

But imo, hall is the only one that gets someone considering oel or weber in return. And even then we're adding I think.

You're totally right on the contract dollars, none of those deals look bad. but it wouldn't hurt at all going forward dealing 6$ of eberle and taking back 3.9$ of hsmonic for example


If we do win the lottery- we should have Maloney on the phone immediately trying to sell Arizona boy Matthews for oel

Then maybe sign a free agent as well as you've suggested
- HB77

If we do get the number one pick which is sadly looking like it might happen then im sure a gm who is in need of some offence would be willing to sit and talk for the chance to draft Matthews and if it involves OEL then even better....then we could take Nuge and package him with something else for another D man and as Leon just said see whats out there for UFAs....I am worried with this talk Pete has been doing about getting bigger that he might make a run at Lucic this summer...cant imagine how many dollars that would set us back

He's more important to the team than most give him credit for. The team hasn't won jack poop since he went down, and Draisaitl has come way back down to earth, and suddenly he isn't a lock as a proven NHL centerman any more, like some people referred to him while he had a hot streak, and less than 80 games under his belt.
- leonkennedy

I think he's undeniably an NHL centerman, we're just seeing he's not quite ready to take on top-end C duties. He's off his hot streak, but he's still produced 12 points in 25 games since January 1st. Somewhat cherry picking that stat line as it's during his "cold streak". Another hot streak could be right around the corner.

Another thing worth considering is that Nuge wasn't exactly lighting it up when he lost some of his prime time to Leon and/or McDavid. And I don't think you're losing much as far as defense when you compare Nuge to Leon, either. I don't mean this as an indictment to Nuge; I just think we're more likely to get the asset we want moving Nuge than if we're moving Eberle.

Could still end up with 50+ points with not having a full 82 game season...not a bad first full year overall I would say even if the production has dropped a bit
- RatedR80

Leon's still the man. But his recent struggles should certainly have us more apprehensive to deal nuge going forward

I'd absolutely still be willing to bet Leon's the superior player offensively going forward though

You're right, Schultz himself is throwing a parade to leave Deadmonton as fast as he can.

Like I said to the HB77, if Nuge goes, then it better be a stud #1 coming back in some kind of deal. A lot is lost by moving him, so the return better make up for the loss, and then some.
Also sorry I haven't been pulling my weight lately coach. I guess my play that some rubes jumped all over and proclaimed me as bonified #1 centerman, wasn't exactly sustainable.
- leonkennedy

Stud #1s simply don't get traded, so our best bet is acquiring a legit top pairing guy to help shelter our two stellar young D (Klefbom and Nurse) and give them a model to help them reach those heights.

I think a lot of us forget the simple value that having role models can offer. See Campbell and Hossa in Chicago. Campbell wasn't a #1 but he was a legit top pairing guy that took some heat off Keith and Seabrook and allowed them to build themselves into who they are today. Recchi, Guerin, and Scuderi in Pittsburgh and Mitchell and Scuderi in LA also stand as good examples of this.

Leon's still the man. But his recent struggles should certainly have us more apprehensive to deal nuge going forward

I'd absolutely still be willing to bet Leon's the superior player offensively going forward though
- HB77

I think Leon is also gonna get bigger in size and could have the potential to be a physical force down the middle...20 years old and 214 lbs I can see that changing in the years....its a dynamic down the middle we havent had in....I dont even know how long its been

You're right, Schultz himself is throwing a parade to leave Deadmonton as fast as he can.
- newmy

You're right, Schultz himself is throwing a parade to leave Deadmonton as fast as he can.
- newmy

The iq clearly hasn't improved, but the anger and the effort are still there

Stud #1s simply don't get traded, so our best bet is acquiring a legit top pairing guy to help shelter our two stellar young D (Klefbom and Nurse) and give them a model to help them reach those heights.

I think a lot of us forget the simple value that having role models can offer. See Campbell and Hossa in Chicago. Campbell wasn't a #1 but he was a legit top pairing guy that took some heat off Keith and Seabrook and allowed them to build themselves into who they are today. Recchi, Guerin, and Scuderi in Pittsburgh and Mitchell and Scuderi in LA also stand as good examples of this.
- MaximumBone

I would be thrilled if we could pick up some top pairing guys that can move the puck and be responsible in their own end...just having those guys that can move the puck from the back end would make our offence so much better

- AlEx_OiL

This is about the only time I can say I appreciate what you posted

I think he's undeniably an NHL centerman, we're just seeing he's not quite ready to take on top-end C duties. He's off his hot streak, but he's still produced 12 points in 25 games since January 1st. Somewhat cherry picking that stat line as it's during his "cold streak". Another hot streak could be right around the corner.

Another thing worth considering is that Nuge wasn't exactly lighting it up when he lost some of his prime time to Leon and/or McDavid. And I don't think you're losing much as far as defense when you compare Nuge to Leon, either. I don't mean this as an indictment to Nuge; I just think we're more likely to get the asset we want moving Nuge than if we're moving Eberle.
- MaximumBone

People seem to forget how much better nuge is defensively, but is also dangerous offensively. Other teams putting out their top lines/Dcombo's, had a direct influence on the type of competition that Draisaitl got to see. I dont' think anyone is denying the fact the Oilers need to be better defensively. But they aren't exactly poop hot offensively right now either. Just saying moving nuge better be a homerun.

You're right, Schultz himself is throwing a parade to leave Deadmonton as fast as he can.
- newmy

It doesnt look that much better over there buddy....how is it that a team who was 1st in the NHL 1/4 into the season ends up not making the playoffs? without Price you guys are on our level and have played as such

- AlEx_OiL

Can always count on a whitty gif from my good buddy Alex.

I would be thrilled if we could pick up some top pairing guys that can move the puck and be responsible in their own end...just having those guys that can move the puck from the back end would make our offence so much better
- RatedR80

I think they really need to move hard after Hamonic. It's so rare that a player of his caliber is available; let alone that he wants to play in a place like Edmonton. He's got an awesome contract, is a RHD, and is defensively-focused.

I think they really need to move hard after Hamonic. It's so rare that a player of his caliber is available; let alone that he wants to play in a place like Edmonton. He's got an awesome contract, is a RHD, and is defensively-focused.
- MaximumBone

Im sure Pete has been talking to Snow all year about it.....I hope during the off season they can sit down and get this all figured out....I agree it would really suck to lose out on someone like Hamonic because he is exactly what this team needs

People seem to forget how much better nuge is defensively, but is also dangerous offensively. Other teams putting out their top lines/Dcombo's, had a direct influence on the type of competition that Draisaitl got to see. I dont' think anyone is denying the fact the Oilers need to be better defensively. But they aren't exactly poop hot offensively right now either. Just saying moving nuge better be a homerun.
- leonkennedy

Is he really that much better, though? I think you're underselling Leon or overselling Nuge.

I agree that they need to maximize value, but I think people are over-expecting. A lot of moves that people nix because it's "not enough value" might well be the move that the team needs to a.) light a fire under it's ass, b.) balance the roster out, and c.) provide appropriate support to the pieces the team needs to focus it's attention on (the defense). It could also not be that move, but a paralyzing fear of making a mistake is a mistake in and of itself.

I think we'll be just as well off offensively with McDavid, Leon, Hall, and Eberle as we would be with McDavid, Leon, Nuge, and Hall. Defensively, I think Nuge brings back a more substantial asset on D than Eberle so any potential differences between him and Leon in that regard would be effectively cancelled out.

All of this, like yours, is opinion.

Can always count on a whitty gif from my good buddy Alex.
- leonkennedy

Btw Stamkos coming to play with McJesus

Yeah, Tallon wanted Purcell for his shot attempts.

Good call on that one.

Take a hike
- Iggysbff

get help or stop acting like a child

So far the posters I've seen that don't act like rejects make good posts are you (there are others obv):

HB77, MaximumBone, RatedR80 (agreeing on Schutlz; he's deadweight)

Oilers did quite well today.
- Isles_since_6

yup

1st +..............Trouba/shattenkirk

Ebs/nuge...........................Brodin+/hamonic/lindholm/vatanen ++

Yaks (if it's nuge traded)........................3c/quality middle 6'er
- HB77

I hate Kadri, but he'd be a feisty turd + good checking like center on a contending team. Guy you like on your team but hate facing him.

Yakupov's value is hard to predict, but sadly, return will be what you mentioned