I dunno, I didn't think he was nearly as bad as everyone is making it out. He was on the ice for Kuhn's goal, I thought the penalty shot call was kind of soft, on the Hayes goal-Letang left him on an island by himself falling for the guy straddling the blue line, I thought Maatta had a way worse game than DP. DP was also creating some decent chances in the offensive zone.
- j.boyd919

He's been fine for a rookie playing with too much pressure on his back. He needs to loosen up like Dumo did last year in the playoffs. The difference between game 1 and game 4 was gigantic.

They turned Saad into Anisimov, Dano
Sharp into Scuds and caps space
Dano and cap space into Ladd

This is perfect asset management for a team taking advantage of their window.
- stackthepads

Yeah, I forgot about AA.

I don't remember all the particulars of the Saad trade, but correct me if I'm wrong, they turned Saad into a couple of months of Ladd? Yikes.

Sharp into Suckderi. Good thing they've won some cups because that is tragic asset management.

Forgot about AA.
- madmike71

My thoughts exactly. Anisimov is a really solid player but...still..Saad for Anisimov and a rental is pretty bad. Pittsburgh would have been crucified for such asset management.

They turned Saad into Anisimov, Dano
Sharp into Scuds and caps space
Dano and cap space into Ladd

This is perfect asset management for a team taking advantage of their window.
- stackthepads

What was the whole trade. Out & about & the nhl app is useless!!!!

What was the whole trade. Out & about & the nhl app is useless!!!!
- Aussiepenguin

which trade?

My thoughts exactly. Anisimov is a really solid player but...still..Saad for Anisimov and a rental is pretty bad. Pittsburgh would have been crucified for such asset management.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Pittsburgh hasn't won 3 cups. That will buy you a lot of rope.

Russell is out tonight "day-to-day"...

You can thank Saudi Arabia for not cutting back oil production and flooding the market leaving Canada and Shale markets out to dry. Canada did itself no favors by electing a hipster for prime minister that doesn't realize the Canadian economy is largely supported by oil.....
- sammy87

Yeah our PM is a pretty boy joke but just wait till president Trump takes the joke to new heights never before thought possible.

which trade?
- stackthepads

It's ok Ek updated me.

Who the (frank) are the other 2 players from Peg?

Russell is out tonight "day-to-day"...
- Pens_Burgh

He'll be day to day until Monday. Hell if I'm a GM in sell mode I'd sit almost every UFA of value.

I'm with you, but if it's a blue moon on Monday and Tanner's right, and if we're being honest with ourselves and stick by our guns and we've both said we'd move a 4th for Grabner, I can't see how we wouldn't do that trade. And say it's ~4 for Boedker. The cap is definitely not shrinking (there's guards against that) and may even raise. If we trade Kunitz I think we can get it done, even with the Maatta extension.
- Victoro311

Grabner again!?!?! Hansen would be exactly the same except so much better. Grabner sucks but he skates fast. Hansen skates fast and has 20 goals.

Pouliot rust cole for Russell. Drop some serious dead weight off the roster for a player that would come in and make an instant impact and help in thhe playoffs.
- Grinder47

You are an idiot, that is the dumbest trade ever

I am with stackthepads on this. He is all over it. The Blackhawks are showing the Pens how to win Cups in a window of having franchise players in their prime, it really is embarrassing at this point. What good is having Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury, if you never win a Cup.

For those of you who dont fully understand the value of Andrew Ladd, Ive got nothing for you. He would have been perfect for this team.

And all those years of the Pens getting rid of the supposed "future" in draft picks and prospects, what did ANY of that ever turn out to? Is any of it really worth a damn as we sit here today?

If Dano turns out to be a player the caliber of Ladd then the Jets got lucky! If the 1st round pick turns out to be a player of any substance, then they got lucky! Prospects and draft are such a crap shoot. Before you know it the Pens will have wasted the prime years of Crosby, Malkin and Letang with 1 Cup many many years ago and many many early playoff exits or maybe as in the case of this year a possible no show to the playoffs.

It sure is fun though to see teams get it right like the Blackhawks. Im just one frustrated Pens fan!

Hawks are winning cups. They understand that there window is now and are doing what needs to be done to take advantage of it.
- stackthepads

Ladd is not a difference maker between winning the cup and not. That return is for a difference maker. He will be a bust like Vermette was last year who didn't score his first goal as a Hawk until the first round of the playoffs.

I am shtoopid
- Victoro311

No you had everything but the player, good for you!

On Pouliot - People who say he hasn't lived up to his draft spot and is a bust are idiots. Shero reached on Pouliot. He's not a bust because he's developing fine for a guy who was probably more of a 13-20 draft pick. He's not a stud at 21, but he's showing some good characteristics. At his age and what most evaluators thought of him going into the draft (Besides Shero) being a 3rd offensive dman with very good possession stats, but some defensive lapses is perfectly fine. He's better than Depres at his age or Joe Morrow or probably even goligoski. He has plenty of time to get the defensive miscues out of his system and be a solid 2nd pairing guy at 23 who creates offensive and drives possession.

He's developing right inline with what you want out of a mid 1st round pick. Yes we should have taken forsberg, but that is on shero not pouliot.
- sditulli

Pouliot still has a year or 2 to get it before he's a bust for me. He was the CHL dman of the year for f sakes. Dmen take longer to develop. Pouliot's stick positioning is much better know and he's learning from his mistakes, which people on here expect him to be perfect and never make a mistake. Next year, after a producitve off season, Pouliot and Maatta will be totally different players. They will be what we want them to be now.

No you had everything but the player, good for you!
- Dcoms

I guess I get one cookie for effort

I am with stackthepads on this. He is all over it. The Blackhawks are showing the Pens how to win Cups in a window of having franchise players in their prime, it really is embarrassing at this point. What good is having Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury, if you never win a Cup.

For those of you who dont fully understand the value of Andrew Ladd, Ive got nothing for you. He would have been perfect for this team.

And all those years of the Pens getting rid of the supposed "future" in draft picks and prospects, what did ANY of that ever turn out to? Is any of it really worth a damn as we sit here today?

If Dano turns out to be a player the caliber of Ladd then the Jets got lucky! If the 1st round pick turns out to be a player of any substance, then they got lucky! Prospects and draft are such a crap shoot. Before you know it the Pens will have wasted the prime years of Crosby, Malkin and Letang with 1 Cup many many years ago and many many early playoff exits or maybe as in the case of this year a possible no show to the playoffs.

It sure is fun though to see teams get it right like the Blackhawks. Im just one frustrated Pens fan!
- Weisenheimer

It's easier to "go for it" when you've already won 3 cups. If the Hawks are sitting on 1 cup like us, their fans would be rioting in the streets after this deal.

Let's not act like the Pens haven't tried to go all in. Unfortunately, our GM mangled it. He didn't build a deep enough roster and system where a Ladd would make a difference. Hell our coach tried to turn a HOF right winger into a left wing when we "went for it". And Doug Murray.....

Whoever thought the trade deadline prices would be low was dead wrong.

I am with stackthepads on this. He is all over it. The Blackhawks are showing the Pens how to win Cups in a window of having franchise players in their prime, it really is embarrassing at this point. What good is having Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury, if you never win a Cup.

For those of you who dont fully understand the value of Andrew Ladd, Ive got nothing for you. He would have been perfect for this team.

And all those years of the Pens getting rid of the supposed "future" in draft picks and prospects, what did ANY of that ever turn out to? Is any of it really worth a damn as we sit here today?

If Dano turns out to be a player the caliber of Ladd then the Jets got lucky! If the 1st round pick turns out to be a player of any substance, then they got lucky! Prospects and draft are such a crap shoot. Before you know it the Pens will have wasted the prime years of Crosby, Malkin and Letang with 1 Cup many many years ago and many many early playoff exits or maybe as in the case of this year a possible no show to the playoffs.

It sure is fun though to see teams get it right like the Blackhawks. Im just one frustrated Pens fan!
- Weisenheimer

Well take solace in the fact that Ovi hasn't even win a cup yet.


Can't compare Hawks to Pens the variants in the teams are far too great & say what you want, but the Hawks have underpaid high end talent, & young good players wanting to play for them by choice. Pens have neither. Hawks are this year starting what would be the Crosby Malkin era contract wise so lets see how they go.

I am with stackthepads on this. He is all over it. The Blackhawks are showing the Pens how to win Cups in a window of having franchise players in their prime, it really is embarrassing at this point. What good is having Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury, if you never win a Cup.

For those of you who dont fully understand the value of Andrew Ladd, Ive got nothing for you. He would have been perfect for this team.

And all those years of the Pens getting rid of the supposed "future" in draft picks and prospects, what did ANY of that ever turn out to? Is any of it really worth a damn as we sit here today?

If Dano turns out to be a player the caliber of Ladd then the Jets got lucky! If the 1st round pick turns out to be a player of any substance, then they got lucky! Prospects and draft are such a crap shoot. Before you know it the Pens will have wasted the prime years of Crosby, Malkin and Letang with 1 Cup many many years ago and many many early playoff exits or maybe as in the case of this year a possible no show to the playoffs.

It sure is fun though to see teams get it right like the Blackhawks. Im just one frustrated Pens fan!
- Weisenheimer

Even if Ladd was "perfect" for this team, who and what would we have had to give up to get him? He won't fit under the cap and he's not a difference maker on his own. He is a top tier complimentary player and we have no room for him. Dano is 20 years old and is going to be a very good player. The Jets are now stacked with very good under 23 year old players. If they can find a decent goalie or Hellebyuk reaches his potential then they are going to be a powerhouse very soon. They are the Minnesota TimberWolves of the NHL. The Jets and the Oilers are really close to being formidable.

It's easier to "go for it" when you've already won 3 cups. If the Hawks are sitting on 1 cup like us, their fans would be rioting in the streets after this deal.

Let's not act like the Pens haven't tried to go all in. Unfortunately, our GM mangled it. He didn't build a deep enough roster and system where a Ladd would make a difference. Hell our coach tried to turn a HOF right winger into a left wing when we "went for it". And Doug Murray.....
- madmike71

I agree, when you actually do win it, it becomes easier to "play around" with your roster, but I think it goes both ways, they are winning because they ARE making the right moves along the way.

So Dano is now a player who is on his 3rd team in 1 calendar year, whatever that is worth.

And Chicago's 1st will be at the end of the round, which unless you get a top 10 is a drastic drop off imo.

I agree, when you actually do win it, it becomes easier to "play around" with your roster, but I think it goes both ways, they are winning because they ARE making the right moves along the way.

So Dano is now a player who is on his 3rd team in 1 calendar year, whatever that is worth.

And Chicago's 1st will be at the end of the round, which unless you get a top 10 is a drastic drop off imo.
- Weisenheimer

I'm unclear. Are you upset because the Pens didn't go all in? We didn't go all in because we don't have the assets to go all in anymore after half a decade of going all in and failing at it

Even if Ladd was "perfect" for this team, who and what would we have had to give up to get him? He won't fit under the cap and he's not a difference maker on his own. He is a top tier complimentary player and we have no room for him. Dano is 20 years old and is going to be a very good player. The Jets are now stacked with very good under 23 year old players. If they can find a decent goalie or Hellebyuk reaches his potential then they are going to be a powerhouse very soon. They are the Minnesota TimberWolves of the NHL. The Jets and the Oilers are really close to being formidable.
- Dcoms

Do you think teams that do not spend to the cap compete in the first place?

Even if Ladd was "perfect" for this team, who and what would we have had to give up to get him? He won't fit under the cap and he's not a difference maker on his own. He is a top tier complimentary player and we have no room for him. Dano is 20 years old and is going to be a very good player. The Jets are now stacked with very good under 23 year old players. If they can find a decent goalie or Hellebyuk reaches his potential then they are going to be a powerhouse very soon. They are the Minnesota TimberWolves of the NHL. The Jets and the Oilers are really close to being formidable.
- Dcoms

There is no guarantees on Dano, he is now on his 3rd team in 1 calendar year. I would not bet on anything being decent that is close to being the Minnesota Timberwolves of anything