I honestly think the first Domino is Boedker to Chicago. I think that's Chicago's #1 target. I think Peg is holding out waiting on that deal to fall through to see if Chicago circles back around to Ladd. Cus it seems like Peg already has a couple of overpayments lined up for Ladd and it perplexes me they haven't taken the money and ran yet
- Victoro311

Chicago looking hard at Vrbata and Hammuis per TSN

Stay away from guys like PA. They will be available me this summer and will not be a big enough difference maker to trade a 2nd pick for. If you are going to spend, spend bigger for youth. Dallas reportedly listening on offers for Nichuskin. That's a big one. Weircioch is also a guy I like. Still don't think enough people are talking about Justin Schultz either. Could be had for almost nothing and is a good right shot bottom pairing guy who has really big upside.
- usethe1-2-2

Anybody suggesting we go after Justin Schultz should watch a Oilers game and see how lost defensively he looks. He does have skill but he has no idea on how to play defense. His best bet to extend his career might be playing right wing.

I feel like the trades last year really hurt this team in terms of building a cup contender. Last year was the year to sell. I still like the Kessel trade as I think he's performing ok and has a chance to step it up over time. Not a homerun, but he's good depth scoring.

If we waited till the trade deadline to make moves we could have realized the team had too many injuries to compete. Keep our David Perron 1st. Avoided the Winnik/Depres trades. What if we sold Paul Martin for a 1st and 3rd. We could conceivably added Barzal, Sprong, and a late 1st pick (or drafted sprong late 1st) and added a dman project in 2nd. We could have used those assets to either have depth or maybe made a move for Shattenkirk which fixes the defense.

Every other contender has had a year they spent retooling. Forcing trades has killed our asset base to put a cup team together. Which means we are constantly a 1 to 2 round playoff team.
- sditulli

I understand your line of thinking but not sure how any of those moves have any effect on their ability to compete this year? None of the picks/futures would be in the lineup so there's no help there and none of the players traded would have moved the needle, maybe you could expand on how those moves directly hurt the team this year.

Also of the 9 draft picks traded away from 2012-2015 not a single player drafted with those picks has played a single NHL game and out of the list of players moved in that time frame are Sneep, Ferriero, Tangradi, Morrow, Agostino, Hanowski, Thompson, Neal, Sameulsson, Klinkhammer, Goc, Sill, Despres and Bortuzzo only Neal would be a difference maker on this unit. I know people like to hold out hope that futures will turn out to be awesome but the truth is that this notion that the Pens have somehow hurt their future with the TD moves just isn't true or accurate.

I understand your line of thinking but not sure how any of those moves have any effect on their ability to compete this year? None of the picks/futures would be in the lineup so there's no help there and none of the players traded would have moved the needle, maybe you could expand on how those moves directly hurt the team this year.

Also of the 9 draft picks traded away from 2012-2015 not a single player drafted with those picks has played a single NHL game and out of the list of players moved in that time frame are Sneep, Ferriero, Tangradi, Morrow, Agostino, Hanowski, Thompson, Neal, Sameulsson, Klinkhammer, Goc, Sill, Despres and Bortuzzo only Neal would be a difference maker on this unit. I know people like to hold out hope that futures will turn out to be awesome but the truth is that this notion that the Pens have somehow hurt their future with the TD moves just isn't true or accurate.
- jaydogg1974

that is true no matter how sad that may be

Pretty sure if we got Russell you could hear a big (frank)ing YES!!! Comming from Fluery's mouth after last night. Puck moving defenseman is currently the most overblown thing in hockey. Letang Maata Daley Pouliot are all puck moving defensman. Ill take a guy that blocks 10 shots a night.

the detroit red wings with their 24 straight years in playoffs and 4 cups in those years would disagree
- martox

So for 24 years, Detroit never made a trade for picks/prospects with a player they had signed at the deadline or draft?

If pens go after Boedker then horn or kuni will be going back. If I had to pick I'd say kuni of course.

Boedker Sid horn/Kessel
Hags Geno Kessel/ horn

Is pretty decent then add a guy like versteeg for a 2nd/3rd (forget what they wanted for him)

Bennett Cullen versteeg
Wilson fehr rust
Sheary/Kuhn

As for D. I still think you go after either fowler or vatanen
- nh4442

Why would Kunitz or Hornqvist be going back if they went after Boedker? The idea of adding a player like Boedker is to have more depth so sending 1 of your top 4 wingers back out just makes ZERO sense, not to mention why would Ariz have any interest in either player?

So for 24 years, Detroit never made a trade for picks/prospects with a player they had signed at the deadline or draft?
- Guile

Zidlicky for a conditional 3rd
Cole + conditional 3rd for Backman, Janmark and a 2nd
Legwand for Eaves, Jankrok and a 3rd

Just a couple Detroit deadline trades from the last few years that I could remember. Also Detroit hasn't made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs since the lost in the Cup finals to the Pens.

So for 24 years, Detroit never made a trade for picks/prospects with a player they had signed at the deadline or draft?
- Guile

I misread ok... don't even know why I commented at it. so damn tired since I couldn't sleep after all that anger after the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WW_0c-8HnU

Yep this guy reminds me sooo much of Scuderi. I hope he stays in the west because hes exactly the kind of guy you need in the playoffs. Go ahead and look at your charts though, they have done so good for us this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WW_0c-8HnU

Yep this guy reminds me sooo much of Scuderi. I hope he stays in the west because hes exactly the kind of guy you need in the playoffs. Go ahead and look at your charts though, they have done so good for us this year.
- Grinder47

currently in a playoff spot but ok...

Why would Kunitz or Hornqvist be going back if they went after Boedker? The idea of adding a player like Boedker is to have more depth so sending 1 of your top 4 wingers back out just makes ZERO sense, not to mention why would Ariz have any interest in either player?
- jaydogg1974

Cap reasons and I guess I should have said kuni or horn being moved not necessarily going back in that trade.

And you're not going to put Boedker on the 3rd line. And we all kuni isn't allowed to go anywhere other than Sids left side...

currently in a playoff spot but ok...
- martox

Yea I remember with Tanner Glass Craig Adams and Engo being ahead of the pack not clinching on the tail for dear life but ok.

Yea I remember with Tanner Glass Craig Adams and Engo being ahead of the pack not clinching on the tail for dear life but ok.
- Grinder47

well back then they had a coach not as complete garbage as MJ and a healthy sid that played like he didn't yesterday.

Pretty sure if we got Russell you could hear a big (frank)ing YES!!! Comming from Fluery's mouth after last night. Puck moving defenseman is currently the most overblown thing in hockey. Letang Maata Daley Pouliot are all puck moving defensman. Ill take a guy that blocks 10 shots a night.
- Grinder47

Tells me you haven't watched Russell play too much. He isn't good defensively.

Why would Kunitz or Hornqvist be going back if they went after Boedker? The idea of adding a player like Boedker is to have more depth so sending 1 of your top 4 wingers back out just makes ZERO sense, not to mention why would Ariz have any interest in either player?
- jaydogg1974

Because we need to make cap space for him. Trading prospects and picks doesn't create space. That said, I wish people would stop it with adding Boedker. It's getting ridiculous. We don't have the assets and Phoenix wouldn't want any part of Kunitz going back. You don't trade Hornie in this.

well back then they had a coach not as complete garbage as MJ and a healthy sid that played like he didn't yesterday.
- martox

You stat Mongers and your excuses. You mean a coach that dressed Craig Adams 82 games plus playoffs, but I thought you guys hated Craig Adams and anyone who dressed him is an idiot? Contradict yourself some more.

Pretty sure if we got Russell you could hear a big (frank)ing YES!!! Comming from Fluery's mouth after last night. Puck moving defenseman is currently the most overblown thing in hockey. Letang Maata Daley Pouliot are all puck moving defensman. Ill take a guy that blocks 10 shots a night.
- Grinder47

It's hilarious you say that because all Russell is is really poopty puck moving defenseman who isn't good defensively. His only redeeming quality is his willingness to block shots. He is Rob Scuderi's puck moving counter part. We already have a not-very-good defenseman who blocks shots in Ian Cole. Why do we need to give up assets for another one?

For someone who poops on people for stat ratting, I feel like all you do is look at the blocked shots and hit categories and make up your mind from there. No one who's watched Russell play thinks he's good.

Since so much is debated about how Pittsburgh handles their draft picks I thought I would pull some of the other top teams recent trades for some comparison, looking at 2014-now and now considering conditional aspects(a conditional 1st is consider a 1st) the Pens have traded 2-1st, 1-2nd, 4-3rd, 1-4th, 1-5th & 1-7th or 10 total picks.

Chicago - 1-1st, 2-2nd, 1-3rd, 2-4th, 1-7th = 7 total
LA - 2-1st, 1-2nd, 2-3rd = 5 total picks
Ana - 1-1st, 3-2nd, 3-3rd, 2-4th, 2-5th, 1-6th, 1-7th = 13 total picks
Wash - 1-2nd, 3-3rd, 3-4th, 1-6th, 2-7th = 10 total picks

I think it's interesting that they are very comparable to the teams that have won 5 Cups in the last 6-7 years and the team that is consider the favorite to win the Cup this year, this showing that how the Pens handle their draft picks isn't all that different than how other top teams handle their draft picks, 1 area that the Pens definitely lack behind these other teams is their ability to recoup picks through their other moves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WW_0c-8HnU

Yep this guy reminds me sooo much of Scuderi. I hope he stays in the west because hes exactly the kind of guy you need in the playoffs. Go ahead and look at your charts though, they have done so good for us this year.
- Grinder47

I agree. I don't know where this comparison to Scuderi started but anyone who has "watched" him play would know there is nothing comparable between Russell and Scuderi.

It's hilarious you say that because all Russell is is really poopty puck moving defenseman who isn't good defensively. His only redeeming quality is his willingness to block shots. He is Rob Scuderi's puck moving counter part. We already have a not-very-good defenseman who blocks shots in Ian Cole. Why do we need to give up assets for another one?

For someone who poops on people for stat ratting, I feel like all you do is look at the blocked shots and hit categories and make up your mind from there. No one who's watched Russell play thinks he's good.
- Victoro311

None of you would ever be capable of changing my mind on anything. Hes better than Pittsburgh last 3 defenseman right now and is a playoff kind of hockey player. I just want him to stay out west.

I agree. I don't know where this comparison to Scuderi started but anyone who has "watched" him play would know there is nothing comparable between Russell and Scuderi.
- jaydogg1974

It's more so that they both suck in the defensive end and there's a fiction that they're good defensive defensemen due to their blocked shot totals.

None of you would ever be capable of changing my mind on anything. Hes better than Pittsburgh last 3 defenseman right now and is a playoff kind of hockey player. I just want him to stay out west.
- Grinder47

That's fine. We think your opinions are equally worthless.

None of you would ever be capable of changing my mind on anything. Hes better than Pittsburgh last 3 defenseman right now and is a playoff kind of hockey player. I just want him to stay out west.
- Grinder47

Don't think anyone is trying to change your mind. Everyone is well aware you're a joke. Hahaha

If Shero weren't a mental midget and just took the highest rated player available the Pens would have a much stronger team right now. Instead his dumb ass thought he was so smart with taking PMD every single pick to trade for a rental later. It's like taking out credit card debt to pay for other credit card debt.
- jfkst1

We've talked about this in the past. Dumbest thing I've ever heard of from a pro GM. Thinking you've got this incredible secret strategy where you need two things to go right instead of one. Taking a player you need to develop into a good player. Then you trade that player for a the good player you want. MORONIC!