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There was a time where I would have been thrilled at that price for 6 years, but with his play lately this seems risky. - PensFan1103
I was mostly shocked cause it came out of left field. I think given that he is a top pair defenseman at age 21, the deal is more than fair. Not to go full Ryan Wilson here, but I'd rather pay and gamble on Maatta's future, than pay a similar price for Scuderi's past.
Just out of curiosity...I wonder if theres a NTC in this deal?
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Wow... I like Maatta... but I think thats a tad bit high. - Guile
Would you rather have Despres with almost the same cap hit? I do believe that Maatta was limited in workouts. He does look smaller than he was before the shoulder etc. I think he'll be a bargain in a year or two.
If Dumo keeps performing like he has, he will probably get around this much as well next year.... |
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rutherford gonna join the fan show at 10:40 if people wanna listen. |
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For what it's worth Dk and Yohe were on madden yesterday saying that maatta was very very limited in working out the last yr due to injuries and that given a full offseason of training with no injuries will greatly help him. That is why he has looked so bad they say. - nh4442
I fully believe that. It was unlikely that he was going to build on his rookie season after missing last year.
This is a great deal for the Penguins. We would have applauded a two year, 3.5 per bridge deal. For half a mil more a year they get him for six years. |
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I fully believe that. It was unlikely that he was going to build on his rookie season after missing last year.
This is a great deal for the Penguins. We would have applauded a two year, 3.5 per bridge deal. For half a mil more a year they get him for six years. - hardnosed
Not to mention he is only 21. That's locking him up throughout his "prime". I have no problem with this deal. Lots of room to get back to where he was, and also to grow. |
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also since the cap keep rising almost every year contracts in this day and age always gets higher and higher so I think it is a good contract for 6 years |
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This deal seems a little high, but will be a bargin in 3 years if he continues to get better. |
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Well theres my question answered
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 1m1 minute ago
Maatta extension includes Limited NTC the last two years. He picks 8 teams he can't be traded to. |
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At the end of the deal you'd think he'd get a big contract being a 27yr old top defenseman the same time a 34-35yr old letang deal ends |
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At the very least, Maatta can be a good partner for Letang. That's got value. |
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I was mostly shocked cause it came out of left field. I think given that he is a top pair defenseman at age 21, the deal is more than fair. Not to go full Ryan Wilson here, but I'd rather pay and gamble on Maatta's future, than pay a similar price for Scuderi's past.
Just out of curiosity...I wonder if theres a NTC in this deal? - YouMeAndDupuis9
If he does have a NTC it won't kick in until the last couple years of the deal when he would have been eligible for free agency
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Would you rather have Despres with almost the same cap hit? I do believe that Maatta was limited in workouts. He does look smaller than he was before the shoulder etc. I think he'll be a bargain in a year or two.
If Dumo keeps performing like he has, he will probably get around this much as well next year.... - Pens_Burgh
No, I'd much rather have Maatta.... guess I'd have felt more comfortable waiting a bit before the offer, just to be certain he'll be back to his superstar self? |
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I'm shocked with the reaction. That is a steal. He's going to get stronger and stronger. Is that less then what Schultz makes? |
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If he does have a NTC it won't kick in until the last couple years of the deal when he would have been eligible for free agency
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So in other words... if he turns bad in the first 4 years... we can cut ties a bit easier.
Well, seems like JR covered all ends on this too. |
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For what it's worth Dk and Yohe were on madden yesterday saying that maatta was very very limited in working out the last yr due to injuries and that given a full offseason of training with no injuries will greatly help him. That is why he has looked so bad they say. - nh4442
I don't think that is why he is a slow skater. I am far from an expert but I cannot see how you can improve your speed all that much with work outs. I can see how you can improve it a little bit but he is not going to be a fast skater, ever. Ron Francis was not a fast skater but he is a HOF candidate. Granted the game was a lot slower then but if Maatta can play good position and anticipate the play he can also be a very good player. He is not in the same category as Ron Francis but he can still be a solid NHL player.
I think they paid too much and for too long but 4$M per is the going rate for a top two defenseman. He is getting paid for potential and not for past performances. |
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No, I'd much rather have Maatta.... guess I'd have felt more comfortable waiting a bit before the offer, just to be certain he'll be back to his superstar self? - Guile
I think they did good. I mean we were all thinking 3 mil for 2 years on a bridge deal. I like the gamble of the extra million a year, but also an extra 4 years. I don't think (and obviously neither do they) that Maatta will have any problem getting back to normal.
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Its a good deal for Maata. I'm guessing it also buys out some UFA years. Reminds me of the Roman Josi deal. Longer term Maata's injury may have given us a much better long-term price. |
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I was mostly shocked cause it came out of left field. I think given that he is a top pair defenseman at age 21, the deal is more than fair. Not to go full Ryan Wilson here, but I'd rather pay and gamble on Maatta's future, than pay a similar price for Scuderi's past.
Just out of curiosity...I wonder if theres a NTC in this deal? - YouMeAndDupuis9
Yeah, I am definitely still optimistic on Maatta. What he showed in his rookie season was quite a lot and I believe he will get back to that and then some as he becomes more confident and comfortable in the league. I guess it is mostly just the timing because he has looked his worst in recent weeks.
Worst case scenario, Grim Rutherford summed it up pretty nicely. Maatta only costs $1.183 million more than Deryk Engelland. |
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I'm shocked with the reaction. That is a steal. He's going to get stronger and stronger. Is that less then what Schultz makes? - dbell646
People always got to b!tch about something |
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I don't think that is why he is a slow skater. I am far from an expert but I cannot see how you can improve your speed all that much with work outs. I can see how you can improve it a little bit but he is not going to be a fast skater, ever. Ron Francis was not a fast skater but he is a HOF candidate. Granted the game was a lot slower then but if Maatta can play good position and anticipate the play he can also be a very good player. He is not in the same category as Ron Francis but he can still be a solid NHL player.
I think they paid too much and for too long but 4$M per is the going rate for a top two defenseman. He is getting paid for potential and not for past performances. - Thunderbolt
phil esposito was kinda slow too |
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I honestly hope the pens don't trade any of their 2nd round picks. Team needs to restock the cupboard with dmen. |
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People always got to b!tch about something - cap1681
Everyone on here was on board with a 3 mil 2-3 year bridge deal. I said that I would rather give him more $$ for more years. I anticipated 4.75-5.5 for 6 years so I am more than fine with this. Great deal. |
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Everyone on here was on board with a 3 mil 2-3 year bridge deal. I said that I would rather give him more $$ for more years. I anticipated 4.75-5.5 for 6 years so I am more than fine with this. Great deal. - Pens_Burgh
montreal bride deald pk subban and we know how that worked out |
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Do people really think that Maatta is having a bad year? All i hear about is him being slow and worried he's not in great shape.
He's probably our best "defensive" defenseman who is also not a liability with the puck on his stick. Kid is having a great year, and has solidified himself as our #2 d-man.
The Penguins near future at D is bright. A top 4 of Letang, Maatta, Dumoulin, and Pouliot is a pretty damn good top 4. |
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People always got to b!tch about something - cap1681
It's fair deal for both sides. No idea where you get anyone is female doging about it. |
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