How did he lose the Sven deal? How did he lose the Kassian deal... oh that's right... you actually called him the part of the new leadership... so I guess you see it as a loss even though he was a cancer...

Why not wait to see what happens by the TDL passing...



- boonerbuck

Sven was a good deal. Kassian was a wash deal. Prust never lived up to the billing.

We had to give up a pick to get Prust.
Didn't say we lost the Baertschi deal, just saying that every deal Benning has made has been critisized.
The Sutter deal didn't make sense.
Vey deal didn't make sense.
Garrison deal didn't make sense.
Forsling deal didn't make sense.
- Scooby_Doo

criticized by the twits on HockeyBuzz? The Vey deal was considered a win by most (at the time) and I am lukewarm on it. But you have to take a few gambles given the void of young talent left by Gillis. you are really reaching here. Would do the Sven and Sutter trades again in a heartbeat

Tony Gallagher said it's a head scratcher.
- Scooby_Doo

he's a (frank)tard...

For the record I've seen both play, only on tv and only a few times; my opinion is it's a pretty lateral move. I was never a Shinkaruk fan, for various reasons.

To me they're setting up other things.

I grew up and went to high school in Med hat, watched Shinkaruk's entire junior career and the Hat Arena, so yeah I know the player pretty well.... and I can safely say he is not some Linden Vey-lite like Granlund is (chrisst we didnt even get the good one!). Dynamic skater, great shot, amazing attitude, leadership up the butt.... for a guy that couldnt crack the flames roster
- Crazybagoham

Granlund has played +80 NHL games and isn't a weak link defensively. He has good tools and could use more ice time to develop.

Shinkaruk isn't close to being ready for the NHL in terms of a 200 foot game. He's the one that can't crack the Flames roster.

And Shinkaruk's skating isn't dynamic. It has never been a strength in his game. When I read that it became quite clear the Koolaid is in effect.

he's a (frank)tard...

For the record I've seen both play, only on tv and only a few times; my opinion is it's a pretty lateral move. I was never a Shinkaruk fan, for various reasons.

To me they're setting up other things.
- LeftCoaster

fingers crossed on this.

he's a (frank)tard...

For the record I've seen both play, only on tv and only a few times; my opinion is it's a pretty lateral move. I was never a Shinkaruk fan, for various reasons.

To me they're setting up other things.
- LeftCoaster

This makes sense to me if there is another deal for drouin or a dman and the other team wanted granlund and not shink if thats the case then absolutely you make the deal to bring the assets you want in the end. But if this is the actual deal with no moving parts its terrible simply for the waivers issue and you think both players are equal which I dont.

he's a (frank)tard...

For the record I've seen both play, only on tv and only a few times; my opinion is it's a pretty lateral move. I was never a Shinkaruk fan, for various reasons.

To me they're setting up other things.
- LeftCoaster

it really isn't that big of a transaction. I don't think either players will be more than depth options. pretty funny/ disturbing how wound up this City is.

I wonder what the record is for a discussion like this? Sitting at 31 pages and counting.

he's a (frank)tard...

For the record I've seen both play, only on tv and only a few times; my opinion is it's a pretty lateral move. I was never a Shinkaruk fan, for various reasons.

To me they're setting up other things.
- LeftCoaster

I know, and that scares the hell out of me.

fingers crossed on this.
- hillbillydeluxe

Yeah, likewise. I'm not going to lose my shlt over this deal, mostly because I don't know enough about Granlund's game, but on its own it doesn't seem to make much sense.

he's a (frank)tard...

For the record I've seen both play, only on tv and only a few times; my opinion is it's a pretty lateral move. I was never a Shinkaruk fan, for various reasons.

To me they're setting up other things.
- LeftCoaster

I thought the same thing. Let's hope so anyways.

This is where i differ with a few fans on here. I don't place the same value on draft picks that other's seem to.
I see a draft pick as a gamble.

I'm actually on board with JBs pov and i'll take a proven NHL'er over a prospect.

Sometimes you'll get burned, but overall i think you come out on top.
- dbot

I agree. If you pull a prospect out of the 2nd round who is at the stage of development that Sven is... then it's a win. You can do better but ideally you've done well with one like him. It is back filling Gillis' generation gap.

Must be tough having to clean up Gillis' scorched earth... JB has to take extra risks to get a young evenly balanced team but it seems JB has to carry the blame of GM's past as his burden.

I don't think any of those are good reasons.

I liked Garrison and hated the trade.
- Scooby_Doo

They need to restructure their D. They had Hamhuis Bieksa Garrison and Edler all making 4-5 to 5 mil per year. Pedan will come in at 1 mil per year and install more fear than all of them combined.

Hutton will come in at 1 mil and be a better puck mover than all of them.

Garrison had a hard shot but Weber scored more goals at 1 mil per.

We need to find specialists and replace the dead salary bunch. Save the money for a true number one Dman

They need to restructure their D. They had Hamhuis Bieksa Garrison and Edler all making 4-5 to 5 mil per year. Pedan will come in at 1 mil per year and install more fear than all of them combined.

Hutton will come in at 1 mil and be a better puck mover than all of them.

Garrison had a hard shot but Weber scored more goals at 1 mil per.

We need to find specialists and replace the dead salary bunch. Save the money for a true number one Dman
- VANTEL

Byfuglien

They need to restructure their D. They had Hamhuis Bieksa Garrison and Edler all making 4-5 to 5 mil per year. Pedan will come in at 1 mil per year and install more fear than all of them combined.

Hutton will come in at 1 mil and be a better puck mover than all of them.

Garrison had a hard shot but Weber scored more goals at 1 mil per.

We need to find specialists and replace the dead salary bunch. Save the money for a true number one Dman
- VANTEL

Why do you keep fcking with my PVR? I almost missed Top Chef last week.

Ek wrote that a team looking to trade for Ladd will have to give up a 1st round pick. I sure hope Benning doesn't read Hockeybuzz. He's dumb enough to do that deal.

Tony Gallagher said it's a head scratcher.
- Scooby_Doo

Can Tony Gallagher even feel if someone was scratching his head?

fingers crossed on this.
- hillbillydeluxe

Shinkaruk isn't tall and he's light, he doesn't have an NHL release or a heavy shot, plus he's not a dynamic skater. Obviously their NHL scouts and their AHL coach had input on this.

I like Granlund, he's bigger and heavier plus his development is a year further into it, I just don't see an issue with it...truthfully it's a pretty minor deal and people are freaking out.

Vancouver has some of the worst fans or the most passionate

All the experts are criticizing this deal, so there's that...
- Scooby_Doo

Not that I've read, some have the canucks a slight advantage, but Dreger and 1040 are probably leading the fire JB,TL campaign. And of course, the super informative all knowing arm chair GM's

Ek wrote that a team looking to trade for Ladd will have to give up a 1st round pick. I sure hope Benning doesn't read Hockeybuzz. He's dumb enough to do that deal.
- monsmaark

haha (frank) i dont doubt anything at this point

Shinkaruk isn't tall and he's light, he doesn't have an NHL release or a heavy shot, plus he's not a dynamic skater. Obviously their NHL scouts and their AHL coach had input on this.

I like Granlund, he's bigger and heavier plus his development is a year further into it, I just don't see an issue with it...truthfully it's a pretty minor deal and people are freaking out.

Vancouver has some of the worst fans or the most passionate
- LeftCoaster

If they were the most passionate Rogers Arena would still be selling out. I think it's the former.

I'm glad Lefty showed up to get everyone off the ledge.

Why do you keep fcking with my PVR? I almost missed Top Chef last week.
- CubanBuffet

Sorry

I grew up and went to high school in Med hat, watched Shinkaruk's entire junior career and the Hat Arena, so yeah I know the player pretty well.... and I can safely say he is not some Linden Vey-lite like Granlund is (chrisst we didnt even get the good one!). Dynamic skater, great shot, amazing attitude, leadership up the butt.... for a guy that couldnt crack the flames roster
- Crazybagoham

Sorry Mr crazybagoham, but I've heard and seen this before, good luck in Calgary Hunter, and I hope you can crack their line up better than Granlund did

Shinkaruk isn't tall and he's light, he doesn't have an NHL release or a heavy shot, plus he's not a dynamic skater. Obviously their NHL scouts and their AHL coach had input on this.

I like Granlund, he's bigger and heavier plus his development is a year further into it, I just don't see an issue with it...truthfully it's a pretty minor deal and people are freaking out.

Vancouver has some of the worst fans or the most passionate
- LeftCoaster