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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:19 PM ET
Horvat and Baer have been great
- Bieksa#3

You guys might make the playoffs.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Feb 10 @ 10:20 PM ET
Im not going to go look and see....Im sure we can both agree the team success wasnt built on high picks. They just drafted smart. Yes they had serious UFAs in a capless NHL too...quite true.
Overall though the point is not about the wings so much, just that high picks are not necessary for success unless you draft like a retard ...like I said theres a team just east of BC that gets #1OA every damn year and they suck to high heaven.

- SMBDragon

eir teams success WAS built on high draft picks. they had 4th,3rd,1st OA. 3rd and 1st were traded to acquire other items, and they had a couple top 10 picks on their stanley cup winning team in the 90's that they themselves drafted. and others they bought. LA had doughty 2nd OA, chicago has kane 1oa and toews 3oa. top 5 picks doesnt guarantee success, but more successful teams have them when they win the cup, then ones that don't. so I'd say it is very important to get one or 2.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 10 @ 10:21 PM ET
Are Benn/Seguin suddenly playing defense? I'm pretty sure that Dallas is in most folks top 6, w/o Spezza there isn't a two-way guy in the group.
- neem55

They aren't elite but the oiler players are far worse.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Feb 10 @ 10:21 PM ET
yes this what we refer to as outlier, because it is quite rare.
Again we can refer to more current roster captains/leaders of teams. Other than Goalies, the vast majority are first/second round picks. The best of the mare the top end picks. Benn I think is 3rd rounder too. But for every benn/Zetterberg there is are two Getzlaf, OV, Doan, Landeskog, karlson ect.

- neem55

messier also a 3rd rd.

Geez they has gone from you dont need high picks to make a winner to you arguing about team captains and where they were taken, which was never my point in the 1st place. Not sure why you took it there, but whatever....it was still worthwhile discussion.

We usually agree on pretty much everything however.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:22 PM ET
Truculence
- thundachunk

Gotcha. Then Giordano or Henrik are your men
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:23 PM ET
Gotcha. Then Giordano or Henrik are your men
- walshyleafsfan

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 10 @ 10:23 PM ET
They aren't elite but the oiler players are far worse.
- Bieksa#3


I think the Oiler defence is quite a bit worse, myself. Either way, I was mearly pointing out that clearly the Oilers are looking pretty darn good for the forseeable future wit hthe guys they've drafted in the first round. The trade Nuge in the offseason for a top4 dman and sign a UFA dman all of the sudden they are contenders IMO.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:23 PM ET
eir teams success WAS built on high draft picks. they had 4th,3rd,1st OA. 3rd and 1st were traded to acquire other items, and they had a couple top 10 picks on their stanley cup winning team in the 90's that they themselves drafted. and others they bought. LA had doughty 2nd OA, chicago has kane 1oa and toews 3oa. top 5 picks doesnt guarantee success, but more successful teams have them when they win the cup, then ones that don't. so I'd say it is very important to get one or 2.
- Retinalz

This is very true.

Have to have high picks in order to win a cup (97% of the time)
PetrolSexual
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Down by the Sea, BC
Joined: 06.27.2014

Feb 10 @ 10:24 PM ET
Just bad luck. I would be worried if his career was plagued with injuries, but he seems a pretty steady guy.
- neem55


Good thing (for Sutter) that he signed that extension before the start of the season.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 10 @ 10:24 PM ET
You guys might make the playoffs.
- walshyleafsfan

In 2021

Neon being traded

I hate this. Luongo, then Kessel, now Neon. Traded for basically nothing despite Scooby and RogerRopesucker insisting they would get a kings ransom.
Both teams rebuilding. How is the canucks/leaf hate gonna flow
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:25 PM ET
Good thing (for Sutter) that he signed that extension before the start of the season.
- PetrolSexual

Face palm.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 10 @ 10:26 PM ET
Colby Armstrong likes Virtanens package
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Feb 10 @ 10:26 PM ET
eir teams success WAS built on high draft picks. they had 4th,3rd,1st OA. 3rd and 1st were traded to acquire other items, and they had a couple top 10 picks on their stanley cup winning team in the 90's that they themselves drafted. and others they bought. LA had doughty 2nd OA, chicago has kane 1oa and toews 3oa. top 5 picks doesnt guarantee success, but more successful teams have them when they win the cup, then ones that don't. so I'd say it is very important to get one or 2.
- Retinalz

Yes often they have 1, not always but often enough.

it CAN help if its the right player. Been Even more busts than successes too.

Ottawa got bent over by Daigle being a bust. Then from Yashin being a d*nk hole. Sunk that franchise for awhile putting everything on those picks
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:26 PM ET
In 2021

Neon being traded

I hate this. Luongo, then Kessel, now Neon. Traded for basically nothing despite Scooby and RogerRopesucker insisting they would get a kings ransom.
Both teams rebuilding. How is the canucks/leaf hate gonna flow

- Bieksa#3


One way?
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 10 @ 10:27 PM ET
I think the Oiler defence is quite a bit worse, myself. Either way, I was mearly pointing out that clearly the Oilers are looking pretty darn good for the forseeable future wit hthe guys they've drafted in the first round. The trade Nuge in the offseason for a top4 dman and sign a UFA dman all of the sudden they are contenders IMO.
- neem55

So they sign Kris Russell and trade for a 2nd pairing D man and they are contenders
They have a ton of talent but have a long, long way to go. There's been no development.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Feb 10 @ 10:29 PM ET
I prefer the way Burke did it to get both twins. We were competitive yet he did smart trades to get #2 & #3. You dont need to tank a whole season
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 10 @ 10:29 PM ET
messier also a 3rd rd.

Geez they has gone from you dont need high picks to make a winner to you arguing about team captains and where they were taken, which was never my point in the 1st place. Not sure why you took it there, but whatever....it was still worthwhile discussion.

We usually agree on pretty much everything however.

- SMBDragon


Totally. I'm just pointing out that it's no secret that you need some top end draftees to pan out and be a big part of the dressing room. I totally agree that there are exceptions to the rule and that you can trade too. Messier was a good find, I didn't know he was a late pick.

I think this is even more pertinent given the level of scouting that is done nowadays. I'm not sure, but I'd wager the amount of guys picked after the 2nd and turned out to be all-stars has gone down in the past 10-15 years.

I also disagree with your assessment of guys like Tavares/Stamkos, I think those are studs who practice and train the hardest out of anyone on their team, much like Hank/Dank. Just cause a team doesn't win, doesn't mean they have poor leadership.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:30 PM ET
Colby Armstrong likes Virtanens package
- VANTEL

Remember earlier how I was say Kevin Gravel could be a target with a 1st round pick for Hamhuis? He got a call up in LA. Precursor to a move? I am thinking so. Maybe not for Hammer but they are making space and showcasing.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Feb 10 @ 10:30 PM ET
They are extremely gifted offensively. I am willing to forgive a certain amount of the defensive weakness.
- thundachunk


Unfortunately the standings aren't as forgiving.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 10 @ 10:30 PM ET
So they sign Kris Russell and trade for a 2nd pairing D man and they are contenders
They have a ton of talent but have a long, long way to go. There's been no development.

- Bieksa#3


russell is a defensive liability of around the same capacity as Shultz. I think you underestimate the power of McJesus.

Edit: Let's say they trade RNH for Hamonic and sign a more rounded d-man. Then IMO yes. In fact, I might even check the vegas odds at that point.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Feb 10 @ 10:32 PM ET
Unfortunately the standings aren't as forgiving.
- CubanBuffet

I think any one of us on here could run that team 10 times better that it has been the last 15 years.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 10 @ 10:33 PM ET
Remember earlier how I was say Kevin Gravel could be a target with a 1st round pick for Hamhuis? He got a call up in LA. Precursor to a move? I am thinking so. Maybe not for Hammer but they are making space and showcasing.
- thundachunk

Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 10 @ 10:34 PM ET
russell is a defensive liability of around the same capacity as Shultz. I think you underestimate the power of McJesus.
- neem55

U said sign a UFA. Who do you want. Hammer isn't going there. Not much out there. Nuge gets you a 2nd pairing D man. So they so that and still don't have even one top pairing D man.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 10 @ 10:34 PM ET
I prefer the way Burke did it to get both twins. We were competitive yet he did smart trades to get #2 & #3. You dont need to tank a whole season
- SMBDragon

we already had the #2 I believe, but yeah for sure I would love to see JB push for Matthews the same way.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Feb 10 @ 10:34 PM ET
Totally. I'm just pointing out that it's no secret that you need some top end draftees to pan out and be a big part of the dressing room. I totally agree that there are exceptions to the rule and that you can trade too. Messier was a good find, I didn't know he was a late pick.

I think this is even more pertinent given the level of scouting that is done nowadays. I'm not sure, but I'd wager the amount of guys picked after the 2nd and turned out to be all-stars has gone down in the past 10-15 years.

I also disagree with your assessment of guys like Tavares/Stamkos, I think those are studs who practice and train the hardest out of anyone on their team, much like Hank/Dank. Just cause a team doesn't win, doesn't mean they have poor leadership.

- neem55

Im sure he does....however Stamkos is bailing on his team reportedly. Not exactly captain material....I cant view him as a leader.
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