if they don't trade him before tdl, teams can only acquire his negotiating rights after the season... a bit of a gamble, might never even wear the team's sweater...
- hillbillydeluxe

Didn't you hear? Stamkos negotiating rights are worth 3 first round picks

didnt philly and another team acquire Hamhuis' rights before Van got him in FA? All for not...

Dreger says there isn't much interest in Hamhuis.

what a tool.

So with Ryan McDonagh out with a concussion, if Rangers don't trade Keith Yandle, and Hammy refuses to waive, how much could the Nucks get for Weber, Bart, Sbisa, or Edler?.

D men sounding like a TDL premium. Even DP and his $7M turned out to be tradable!

Why would they get more at the draft...he's a UFA, no?
- dbot

Because Stamkos is going to want 8 years and the only way he gets it is if he signs prior to July 1st. If you're a team like Calgary or Detroit and you're willing to spend 8 years and 90M if that's what it takes, then he's totally worth at VERY MINIMUM a 1st at the draft

didnt philly and another team acquire Hamhuis' rights before Van got him in FA? All for not...
- WhiteLie

might have been the Islanders? or was that another pending ufa?

not uncommon, but I don't think JB would be that bold.

So with Ryan McDonagh out with a concussion, if Rangers don't trade Keith Yandle, and Hammy refuses to waive, how much could the Nucks get for Weber, Bart, Sbisa, or Edler?.

D men sounding like a TDL premium. Even DP and his $7M turned out to be tradable!
- Lostinarink

Bart Weber and Sbisa for a Guy Lafluer jersey.

There are some Canucks fans, not going to name names, that don't know (frank) all about the sport or the NHL.
- Scooby_Doo

That is true of every team in every league and every sport.

Because Stamkos is going to want 8 years and the only way he gets it is if he signs prior to July 1st. If you're a team like Calgary or Detroit and you're willing to spend 8 years and 90M if that's what it takes, then he's totally worth at VERY MINIMUM a 1st at the draft
- Max.Betts

Are you saying sign and trade? I can see him being worth a lot with that scenario, but not just negotiating rights.

Schultz a healthy scratch tonight.
- VANTEL

I was talking with a good friend who's an oilers fan last night about Schultz. He's not into the business side of hockey or anything like that, he just cheers for his hometown team and hopes that one of these years they finally turn it around. We were talking about their loses this weekend and he says "Justin Schultz needs to disappear. Don't trade him, don't waive him, just send him home and make him go away".

I was talking with a good friend who's an oilers fan last night about Schultz. He's not into the business side of hockey or anything like that, he just cheers for his hometown team and hopes that one of these years they finally turn it around. We were talking about their loses this weekend and he says "Justin Schultz needs to disappear. Don't trade him, don't waive him, just send him home and make him go away".
- Max.Betts

In that case he will wear a Leafs jersey next year and they will try to sell him off at TDL for a first

That is true of every team in every league and every sport.
- Max.Betts

We seem to have more of them.

if they don't trade him before tdl, teams can only acquire his negotiating rights after the season... a bit of a gamble, might never even wear the team's sweater...

I think before Hamhuis became a ufa, Nashville traded his rights away and he ended up signing here.
- hillbillydeluxe

Right. I just don't see how it would cost MORE to get negotiating rights vs trading for him at tdl and having time to wine n dine him

Because Stamkos is going to want 8 years and the only way he gets it is if he signs prior to July 1st. If you're a team like Calgary or Detroit and you're willing to spend 8 years and 90M if that's what it takes, then he's totally worth at VERY MINIMUM a 1st at the draft
- Max.Betts

Right. Which is less than the fake previous deal (1st, Blessed plus)

Are you saying sign and trade? I can see him being worth a lot with that scenario, but not just negotiating rights.
- hillbillydeluxe

No. I am saying negotiating rights for Stamkos are worth a minimum of a first round pick. The team that is going to sign him is likely picking some time after 20th. That player isn't going to show up for 3 years. If Ken Holland, whose sources are way the fukc more reliable than anyone's here, hears through the grapevine that Stamkos would consider signing in Detroit, then being able to offer that 8th year at $10M+ is easily worth it.

Vrbata will not get us a first, he has been awful this year. I suspect we can get a 3rd
- CanuckDon

He will get us the same return as he would if he had 5 more goals, a 2nd rd pick. The only thing that has changed is where he's going. I suspect NJ, CAR, OTT, BOS, AZ, ANA will all be looking at guys like him and Parenteau. If canucks eat a bit of coin the return could be late first.

No. I am saying negotiating rights for Stamkos are worth a minimum of a first round pick. The team that is going to sign him is likely picking some time after 20th. That player isn't going to show up for 3 years. If Ken Holland, whose sources are way the fukc more reliable than anyone's here, hears through the grapevine that Stamkos would consider signing in Detroit, then being able to offer that 8th year at $10M+ is easily worth it.
- Max.Betts

You're barking up the wrong tree. Stamkos isn't holding up deals because he can get 8 yrs x10 with team A or 7yrs x10 with team B. This isn't the last contract he signs in this league so an extra year hear or there doesn't mean poop. What he is doing is holding out to go back home ....where he will probably make 15 mil a year doing advertising. The other crap 7 or 8 yrs is just horsepoop time wasting because it doesn't add up to a pile of crap in this situation.

No. I am saying negotiating rights for Stamkos are worth a minimum of a first round pick. The team that is going to sign him is likely picking some time after 20th. That player isn't going to show up for 3 years. If Ken Holland, whose sources are way the fukc more reliable than anyone's here, hears through the grapevine that Stamkos would consider signing in Detroit, then being able to offer that 8th year at $10M+ is easily worth it.
- Max.Betts

I understand what you are saying. Still sounds like a lot of risk, but for the right team, it could be worth it.

Just thinking of players being so close to ufa and Stamkos, the top talent available, so tempting to just wait before signing, to hear all offers and different options.

Dreger says there isn't much interest in Hamhuis.

what a tool.
- Scooby_Doo

Yet Bobby Mac says otherwise.

LeBrun says Kings have interest in Hamhuis but would he waive is the question.

LeBrun says Kings have interest in Hamhuis but would he waive is the question.
- VANTEL

He might like the idea of staying in the same time zone.

He might like the idea of staying in the same time zone.
- hillbillydeluxe

Friedman says Dallas is a good fit

Friedman says Dallas is a good fit
- VANTEL

That's what I think.

Dreger says there isn't much interest in Hamhuis.

what a tool.
- Scooby_Doo

Wow, I would think Hamhuis is one of the top 3 available D at the deadline.

Rene Lavoie seems to think a deal is expected n place for Schultz. Just read one comment on the Oiler blog. Schultz for Cowen reunite Gardiner and Schultz. It would make sense