Bicks will end up in Carolina. They have 8 UFAs, and won't sign many of them. With a couple other trades, they could be more than $11M under the CAP floor at the end of the season.
- scottak

Interesting. Wonder what the throw in would be and what we could get in return. (other than Versteeg)

Bicks will end up in Carolina. They have 8 UFAs, and won't sign many of them. With a couple other trades, they could be more than $11M under the CAP floor at the end of the season.
- scottak

That is an interesting way to look at it. Would probably be a post season deal though. No reason to add his salary to this season.

This isn't some fluke or anomaly...I know a lot of fans here didn't like Garbutt, but I did...speed kills in the NHL and his physical style play can make him dangerous on the forecheck. Sure, he had hands of stone, but he's an NHL player...Mashinter isn't.
- MexicoHawk

Was thinking the same thing... Does this mean that the only way Mash sits is when Kruger returns and Rasmussen moves to 4LW?

Just saw the Corey Crawford piece where he is babysitting and Shawsie and Teuvo come by. I don't think Teuvo is getting traded...

Wasn't Garbutt part of an initial offer to Tampa in the Drouin sweepstakes? Still believe that Sekac might be part of a package going forward. Tampa or Arizona.

Was thinking the same thing... Does this mean that the only way Mash sits is when Kruger returns and Rasmussen moves to 4LW?
- DMChi2010

I would hope that Sekac is Mashinter's replacement but I guess that he needs to actually get into the lineup on a regular basis first.

After watching the whole video I thought mcdonagh was faking but I don't believe he came back but after he cross checked Simmons he should of been ready for a response.
- Abadseed

I thought it was a dive too until he never came back. Then I was just confused.

4 hours before the game and I've already seen more fans with Hawks sweaters than Stars sweaters. Three Panarin sweaters, one of which was his SKA one. The kid is just getting more and more popular

http://chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks-hockey/7/71/1307923/brandon-mashinter-making-limited-role
- walleyeb1

“He plays the right way, he plays simple, gives us some speed, and he’s reliable,” Joel Quenneville said. “He’s safe in his ways, but he still has that [physical] presence we talk about. As a teammate you like the presence.”


Just incredible, really. Mashinter may have become "safe" in Q's eyes, but that's largely based on 5-7 minutes of ice time against the opposition's worst lines. He does play a simple game, but at the cost of any O-Zone possession time, or momentum, and let's face it, that's what you are looking for from a traditional 4th line...10-12 shifts a night where they can change the momentum in a game with an aggressive shift. Mashinter is NOT that guy. He's had two fights all year and one of them was used by the Canucks to wake up and get interested in beating the Hawks. He's NOT scaring anyone out there, and he's not any kind of consistent physical force. He's a slow winger, that goes north/south, desperately hoping not to make a mistake (which he usually does once or twice a game).

And how does Q describe Mash as having "speed", that's flat out inaccurate, Mashinter biggest problem is that he does not possess adequate speed to play in the NHL, and he's a huge liability if that line turns over the puck as he cannot "stop and start" very well.

The Hawks trade Garbutt so that Mashinter can play 5 minutes a night? STUPID. Stan and Q have got to consistently be on the same page, because when they are not, this crap happens. Q obviously doesn't like Sekac, so a message is sent and the team suffers.

I am perhaps making too much out of the whole "Mashinter thing", but the Hawks lost in 2014 primarly because they became a 3, sometimes 2 line team for much of the playoffs. The Hawks core were on fumes in the LA series because all season long Q stuck with a veteran past his "due date" in Zus and a "project" on the 4th line in Bollig. Both hurt the Hawks during the playoffs, and you could see it coming. If this Mashinter experiment is allowed to continue much longer, it could have HUGE ramifications come playoff time. Certainly when Kruger returns it appears to make Mashinter persona non grata, but who knows with Q? Let Sekac play and learn the game...or bring up McNeil/Ross and let their NHL games develop...anything but this guy...HE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE NHL, that's why he's a 27 year old ROOKIE!

Mashinter is NOT that guy. He's had two fights all year and one of them was used by the Canucks to wake up and get interested in beating the Hawks. He's NOT scaring anyone out there, and he's not any kind of consistent physical force.
- MexicoHawk

Saw it right in front of me the other night in PHX. Stone was ready to dance with him and Mashinter waited for the linesman to get in between them. Mashinter is definitely NOT that guy.

“He plays the right way, he plays simple, gives us some speed, and he’s reliable,” Joel Quenneville said. “He’s safe in his ways, but he still has that
- MexicoHawk[physical] presence we talk about. As a teammate you like the presence.”


Just incredible, really. Mashinter may have become "safe" in Q's eyes, but that's largely based on 5-7 minutes of ice time against the opposition's worst lines. He does play a simple game, but at the cost of any O-Zone possession time, or momentum, and let's face it, that's what you are looking for from a traditional 4th line...10-12 shifts a night where they can change the momentum in a game with an aggressive shift. Mashinter is NOT that guy. He's had two fights all year and one of them was used by the Canucks to wake up and get interested in beating the Hawks. He's NOT scaring anyone out there, and he's not any kind of consistent physical force. He's a slow winger, that goes north/south, desperately hoping not to make a mistake (which he usually does once or twice a game).

And how does Q describe Mash as having "speed", that's flat out inaccurate, Mashinter biggest problem is that he does not possess adequate speed to play in the NHL, and he's a huge liability if that line turns over the puck as he cannot "stop and start" very well.

The Hawks trade Garbutt so that Mashinter can play 5 minutes a night? STUPID. Stan and Q have got to consistently be on the same page, because when they are not, this crap happens. Q obviously doesn't like Sekac, so a message is sent and the team suffers.

I am perhaps making too much out of the whole "Mashinter thing", but the Hawks lost in 2014 primarly because they became a 3, sometimes 2 line team for much of the playoffs. The Hawks core were on fumes in the LA series because all season long Q stuck with a veteran past his "due date" in Zus and a "project" on the 4th line in Bollig. Both hurt the Hawks during the playoffs, and you could see it coming. If this Mashinter experiment is allowed to continue much longer, it could have HUGE ramifications come playoff time. Certainly when Kruger returns it appears to make Mashinter persona non grata, but who knows with Q? Let Sekac play and learn the game...or bring up McNeil/Ross and let their NHL games develop...anything but this guy...HE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE NHL, that's why he's a 27 year old ROOKIE!

Just a thought but maybe Q is playing/talking him up for a reason. If we end up having to give up a roster player in a trade deal, he'd be my first pick lol.

I am perhaps making too much out of the whole "Mashinter thing", but the Hawks lost in 2014 primarly because they became a 3, sometimes 2 line team for much of the playoffs. The Hawks core were on fumes in the LA series because all season long Q stuck with a veteran past his "due date" in Zus and a "project" on the 4th line in Bollig. Both hurt the Hawks during the playoffs, and you could see it coming. If this Mashinter experiment is allowed to continue much longer, it could have HUGE ramifications come playoff time. Certainly when Kruger returns it appears to make Mashinter persona non grata, but who knows with Q? Let Sekac play and learn the game...or bring up McNeil/Ross and let their NHL games develop...anything but this guy...HE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE NHL, that's why he's a 27 year old ROOKIE!
- MexicoHawk

Agreed, along with being outplayed at the center position.

But, finding a way to acquire the 2 Calgary guys without losing any main players from the roster would be a pretty formidable 4-line / 6-D team, IMO.

Hudler-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Danault-Teravainen
Desjardins-Kruger-Panik/Rasmussen

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Gustafsson-Seabrook
Russell-TvR
Roszival

Crawford
Darling

If you gave me a choice of one of the triplets, I take Kucherov because he is the toughest to play against and has the most will to win. I think a lot of people take Johnson. Not me.
- John Jaeckel

Can't argue with Kucherov but I'll always have tons of respect for Johnson for playing in the SCF with a broken wrist. Put that kid's heart in TT and you have your top 6 LW until the cap says move him in 3-4 years.

Was thinking the same thing... Does this mean that the only way Mash sits is when Kruger returns and Rasmussen moves to 4LW?
- DMChi2010

Right, but if Rasmussen doesn't play LW throughout the season, it would be easy for Q to justify starting Mash over the Moose.

The key at this point is getting that true 1st line LW, so that Shaw moves back to the bottom 6...and once Kruger comes back there isn't room for Sekac or Mashinter. Just incredible that we are having this conversation in February.

This isn't some fluke or anomaly...I know a lot of fans here didn't like Garbutt, but I did...speed kills in the NHL and his physical style play can make him dangerous on the forecheck. Sure, he had hands of stone, but he's an NHL player...Mashinter isn't.
- MexicoHawk

Of course you liked him. What's not to like. Fastest skater on the team, couple shots a game, couple hits a game, accepts a role, brings effort and energy every game, will drop them, works the greasy areas, is a veteran and is one of a few humans who's ever scored 17 goals in an NHL season.

But da guy wit da cups don't dig him. Gotta defer.

Was thinking the same thing... Does this mean that the only way Mash sits is when Kruger returns and Rasmussen moves to 4LW?
- DMChi2010

Right, but if Rasmussen doesn't play LW throughout the season, it would be easy for Q to justify starting Mash over the Moose.

The key at this point is getting that true 1st line LW, so that Shaw moves back to the bottom 6...and once Kruger comes back there isn't room for Sekac or Mashinter. Just incredible that we are having this conversation in February.

Right, but if Rasmussen doesn't play LW throughout the season, it would be easy for Q to justify starting Mash over the Moose.

The key at this point is getting that true 1st line LW, so that Shaw moves back to the bottom 6...and once Kruger comes back there isn't room for Sekac or Mashinter. Just incredible that we are having this conversation in February.
- MexicoHawk

Hey Mex, have you heard anything about Keith Yandle? low cap hit , just not sure what it would take to pry him from New York

Agreed, along with being outplayed at the center position.

But, finding a way to acquire the 2 Calgary guys without losing any main players from the roster would be a pretty formidable 4-line / 6-D team, IMO.

Hudler-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Danault-Teravainen
Desjardins-Kruger-Panik/Rasmussen

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Gustafsson-Seabrook
Russell-TvR
Roszival

Crawford
Darling
- EbonyRaptor

Thankfully, Treliving finally returned Bowman's "calls"...they are at least talking.

“He plays the right way, he plays simple, gives us some speed, and he’s reliable,” Joel Quenneville said. “He’s safe in his ways, but he still has that
- MexicoHawk[physical] presence we talk about. As a teammate you like the presence."


Just incredible, really. Mashinter may have become "safe" in Q's eyes, but that's largely based on 5-7 minutes of ice time against the opposition's worst lines. He does play a simple game, but at the cost of any O-Zone possession time, or momentum, and let's face it, that's what you are looking for from a traditional 4th line...10-12 shifts a night where they can change the momentum in a game with an aggressive shift. Mashinter is NOT that guy. He's had two fights all year and one of them was used by the Canucks to wake up and get interested in beating the Hawks. He's NOT scaring anyone out there, and he's not any kind of consistent physical force. He's a slow winger, that goes north/south, desperately hoping not to make a mistake (which he usually does once or twice a game).

And how does Q describe Mash as having "speed", that's flat out inaccurate, Mashinter biggest problem is that he does not possess adequate speed to play in the NHL, and he's a huge liability if that line turns over the puck as he cannot "stop and start" very well.

The Hawks trade Garbutt so that Mashinter can play 5 minutes a night? STUPID. Stan and Q have got to consistently be on the same page, because when they are not, this crap happens. Q obviously doesn't like Sekac, so a message is sent and the team suffers.

I am perhaps making too much out of the whole "Mashinter thing", but the Hawks lost in 2014 primarly because they became a 3, sometimes 2 line team for much of the playoffs. The Hawks core were on fumes in the LA series because all season long Q stuck with a veteran past his "due date" in Zus and a "project" on the 4th line in Bollig. Both hurt the Hawks during the playoffs, and you could see it coming. If this Mashinter experiment is allowed to continue much longer, it could have HUGE ramifications come playoff time. Certainly when Kruger returns it appears to make Mashinter persona non grata, but who knows with Q? Let Sekac play and learn the game...or bring up McNeil/Ross and let their NHL games develop...anything but this guy...HE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE NHL, that's why he's a 27 year old ROOKIE!

The last part of Q's quote is why Mashinter is here. What did I tell you guys?

Hey Mex, have you heard anything about Keith Yandle? low cap hit , just not sure what it would take to pry him from New York
- Panarin27

Not a thing...but Bowman is aware of everyone who is available and has likely sent out a feeler to see what the asking price is.

What did I tell you guys?
- John Jaeckel

I know...I know...

Of course you liked him. What's not to like. Fastest skater on the team, couple shots a game, couple hits a game, accepts a role, brings effort and energy every game, will drop them, works the greasy areas, is a veteran and is one of a few humans who's ever scored 17 goals in an NHL season.

But da guy wit da cups don't dig him. Gotta defer.
- Mr Ricochet

Like I said on Tanner's thread this morning when someone posted that Shane Doan could make Hossa tap out:

Hossa would choke Doan out—with his three rings.

Still thinking this may be potentially trade related.

https://www.nhl.com/black...as/t-277437096/c-40924503

Regarding Sekac, parts of his interview with iDnes.cz (in Czech), published on Friday:

I fell ill straight away and started taking antibiotics. I don't know if it was because of the weather or just because of the stress due to the changes. I was on the move a lot and one has to deal with the weather and temperature changing when flying from city to city. Maybe it was just too much all at once and I got sick.

I kind of expected to be traded, but it's still a shock when that happens. I'm glad it worked out this way, I'm happy to be here now.

Everyone knows I'm not having my best year, I know that too. I was out for two months (ankle injury), so I'm trying to get back in shape and not to think about what happened before.

I played a lot at the start of this season, then I got injured and was out of the lineup for couple months. That happens, injuries are common in our field of work. After I came back, I wasn't in my skin, I wasn't playing the way I expected from myself. We shall see how it all works out here in Chicago. I don't want to jinx it, but I'm part of extraordinary club now.

You don't see that at all when you play for other teams. However, I can feel the strength of this team now that I'm here. The way these guys prepare and their attention to detail, that's incredible. I will do what I can do best. I want to be on the top of my game, to bring speed and energy, so I can deserve my spot in the lineup.

http://hokej.idnes.cz/hok...?c=A160205_124532_nhl_lge

Regarding Sekac, parts of his interview with iDnes.cz (in Czech), published on Friday:



http://hokej.idnes.cz/hok...?c=A160205_124532_nhl_lge
- stonefire

Thanks, vitejte.