Drouin was rated near the top of a very deep draft.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, it was a 3-way race for 1st-overall between Jones, Drouin and MacKinnon.

He's equal to the other two in terms of potential impact.

SSB doesn't know what he's talking about.

Yeah, it was a 3-way race for 1st-overall between Jones, Drouin and MacKinnon.

He's equal to the other two in terms of potential impact.

SSB doesn't know what he's talking about.
- Tomahawk

I, admittedly, had him flipping between 3 & 4 on my list. OB sold me hard on Barkov. But that top 4 was really strong.

In the right situation, Drouin could easily be a flat out stud. I do have concerns about the method, even if he's got a legit gripe, but the skill is not in question at all.

No.
- SuperSchennBros

hmmm

Guys forget Drouin.

Flyers have the 2nd worst goal diff in the league. 1 better than Columbus. Worse than the Mcdavid-less oilers

Matthews is attainable, much more realistic than Macdavid last year.

Jiri Dopita was regarded as the best player in the world outside the NHL at one point, wasn't he? Heading into the 2009 NHL Entry draft, Schenn was rated highly in a fairly average class. He was seen as a good two way player, not as a potential franchise guy.

Drouin was rated near the top of a very deep draft. He was viewed by many as a potential elite winger. He still has that potential and has been productive in the NHL, at a similar rate in terms of points scored per 60 minutes, as guys like Voracek, Sedin and Datsyuk. Among other players under 21, he's among the top scoring guys in terms of points per 60 minutes played.

What Schenn is now, is really nothing more than a run of the mill middle six guy. He's very streaky-both in terms of production and performance-and is a subpar defensive player. What he was expected to be, doesn't really matter anymore. He's getting to the point where he might well be what he is.

Drouin still has a load of room to grow and get better. He's been productive in limited minutes in Tampa Bay, and may well explode if he goes to a team where he'll be getting top six minutes.

I doubt you'd find many people who agree with your assessment that Drouin isn't worth Brayden Schenn. As for who the Hell Drouin is to demand a trade, I agree. The fact that he made it public and is trying to force Tampa's hand is definitely not appealing.

But if the Flyers can get him for Schenn straight up, then they would be (frank)ing morons to say no. Of course they won't be able to, because if Tampa does decide to trade Drouin, there will be about 25 teams that call, and just about all of them will offer more than a former high pick that has settled in as a middle six guy who barely outscores his own team's shutdown center.
- Jsaquella

I think what you left out, is that he's super

I think what you left out, is that he's super
- Just5

Guys forget Drouin.

Flyers have the 2nd worst goal diff in the league. 1 better than Columbus. Worse than the Mcdavid-less oilers

Matthews is attainable, much more realistic than Macdavid last year.
- Just5

Hate to say it, but they just might need Matthews, somebody like that in the middle. I swear, I want to be patient and believe, but FFS, Couturier has to start burying the kinds of opportunities that second-line centers get

I love his size, potential and defensive acumen. I absolutely don't want him traded, and he was worth the extension.

But at some point, it would be nice to see the hands and instincts of a guy who is gonna score 25 goals pers season for six or seven years

I don't need 65 points, 30 goals. But I don't think 25/55 is too much to ask, and to look dangerous instead of lucky

Jiri Dopita was regarded as the best player in the world outside the NHL at one point, wasn't he? Heading into the 2009 NHL Entry draft, Schenn was rated highly in a fairly average class. He was seen as a good two way player, not as a potential franchise guy.

Drouin was rated near the top of a very deep draft. He was viewed by many as a potential elite winger. He still has that potential and has been productive in the NHL, at a similar rate in terms of points scored per 60 minutes, as guys like Voracek, Sedin and Datsyuk. Among other players under 21, he's among the top scoring guys in terms of points per 60 minutes played.

What Schenn is now, is really nothing more than a run of the mill middle six guy. He's very streaky-both in terms of production and performance-and is a subpar defensive player. What he was expected to be, doesn't really matter anymore. He's getting to the point where he might well be what he is.

Drouin still has a load of room to grow and get better. He's been productive in limited minutes in Tampa Bay, and may well explode if he goes to a team where he'll be getting top six minutes.

I doubt you'd find many people who agree with your assessment that Drouin isn't worth Brayden Schenn. As for who the Hell Drouin is to demand a trade, I agree. The fact that he made it public and is trying to force Tampa's hand is definitely not appealing.

But if the Flyers can get him for Schenn straight up, then they would be (frank)ing morons to say no. Of course they won't be able to, because if Tampa does decide to trade Drouin, there will be about 25 teams that call, and just about all of them will offer more than a former high pick that has settled in as a middle six guy who barely outscores his own team's shutdown center.
- Jsaquella

This. For what it is worth I had Drouin going 5th in that draft. I always felt like McKinnon may have carried/sheltered him a bit and he is on the smaller/physically weaker side. I'm not crazy about him playing with G and V as that line would be small and get pushed around. For me the ideal #1 LW for this team is a big mo-fo. That said, if Drouin was available I think the Flyers should make an offer. Not over the moon but an offer because of his age, potential and obvious team need.

I would offer up a package of:

B. Schenn OR Sanhiem + Straka OR Cousins OR Hagg OR AK + 2nd


If they get out bid, fine, nothing lost. I know it may seem like too much to some and an absolute insult to TAMPA to others. However, the kid hasn't done squat to date in the NHL. I don't care about points/60 minutes because the reason it looks good is a lack of playing time in the first place. He hasn't been able to stick and has more question marks than answers. Any team trading for him is gambling big time. I think the trade concept above is fair to the risk/reward of the situation.

Happy New Year BTW!

How did Schenn not have the ceiling Druoin did as a former 5th over pick and regarded as the best player in the world not in the NHL after his strong World Junior preference?

Drouin isn't worth Schenn alone. Who the hell is Drouin to ask for a trade is the point.

I think the trade offers by this group are asinine.
- SuperSchennBros

I'd carry Brayden Schenn to Tampa if they'd take him straight up for Drouin.

This. For what it is worth I had Drouin going 5th in that draft. I always felt like McKinnon may have carried/sheltered him a bit and he is on the smaller/physically weaker side. I'm not crazy about him playing with G and V as that line would be small and get pushed around. For me the ideal #1 LW for this team is a big mo-fo. That said, if Drouin was available I think the Flyers should make an offer. Not over the moon but an offer because of his age, potential and obvious team need.

I would offer up a package of:

B. Schenn OR Sanhiem + Straka OR Cousins OR Hagg OR AK + 2nd


If they get out bid, fine, nothing lost. I know it may seem like too much to some and an absolute insult to TAMPA to others. However, the kid hasn't done squat to date in the NHL. I don't care about points/60 minutes because the reason it looks good is a lack of playing time in the first place. He hasn't been able to stick and has more question marks than answers. Any team trading for him is gambling big time. I think the trade concept above is fair to the risk/reward of the situation.

Happy New Year BTW!
- coffee junkie

This is the conundrum, at least in terms of performance. Is Drouin being forced to earn time because the coach has unfair expectations or the coach not liking him or is the kid selfish & expecting to be handed a job. That cuts to the heart of it for me.

If it's a case of latter, regardless of skill, I don't want him. If it's the former, I do. His inability to stick & the reasons why make it risky. I think how you're looking at it is probably similar to how Hextall is. I also think the offer you posted is a decent & fair one, if it didn't become a bidding war after the revelation of the trade request in public

This is the conundrum, at least in terms of performance. Is Drouin being forced to earn time because the coach has unfair expectations or the coach not liking him or is the kid selfish & expecting to be handed a job. That cuts to the heart of it for me.

If it's a case of latter, regardless of skill, I don't want him. If it's the former, I do. His inability to stick & the reasons why make it risky. I think how you're looking at it is probably similar to how Hextall is. I also think the offer you posted is a decent & fair one, if it didn't become a bidding war after the revelation of the trade request in public
- Jsaquella

Read last night that they had issues last season, based on usage/scratches and after Cooper called him out publicly about his defense.

They might have put it aside, moved past that, after Drouin was on fire in the preseason and won the 1LW slot and had six points in five games.

Here's where it went into the ditch: Drouin got hurt, missed five games, and when he got back, Cooper had him on the fourth line and didn't move him back up to the slot he had won in camp

See, I don't know, man. That's kind of a Richard move, to me. Yes, in theory, Drouin could earn the slot back. But if you're him, and you already have a tense relationship with the coach and you feel like he (frank)ed you over out of the slot you already won in camp...trade request came right after, it appears.

TB reporter said Drouin looked pretty unhappy leaving yesterday but Drouin said he was going to report to Syracuse. Not everyone is buying that

If Sanhiem and Laughton got it done would you do it? That is knowing that theyd have two 1sts after the Streit trade and Provorov with a decent shot to make the team next year.
- hereticpride

Hell no. Sanheim's upside is incredible. Defensmen who are 6'4" and can skate and handle the puck like he does are extremely rare.

Read last night that they had issues last season, based on usage/scratches and after Cooper called him out publicly about his defense.

They might have put it aside, moved past that, after Drouin was on fire in the preseason and won the 1LW slot and had six points in five games.

Here's where it went into the ditch: Drouin got hurt, missed five games, and when he got back, Cooper had him on the fourth line and didn't move him back up to the slot he had won in camp

See, I don't know, man. That's kind of a Richard move, to me. Yes, in theory, Drouin could earn the slot back. But if you're him, and you already have a tense relationship with the coach and you feel like he (frank)ed you over out of the slot you already won in camp...trade request came right after, it appears.

TB reporter said Drouin looked pretty unhappy leaving yesterday but Drouin said he was going to report to Syracuse. Not everyone is buying that
- AllInForFlyers

Yeah, it's a situation that is far from black & white. I'm not putting the onus on the relationship on either player or coach, but that's what has to be weighed.

I had forgotten he got hurt.

Hate to say it, but they just might need Matthews, somebody like that in the middle. I swear, I want to be patient and believe, but FFS, Couturier has to start burying the kinds of opportunities that second-line centers get

I love his size, potential and defensive acumen. I absolutely don't want him traded, and he was worth the extension.

But at some point, it would be nice to see the hands and instincts of a guy who is gonna score 25 goals pers season for six or seven years

I don't need 65 points, 30 goals. But I don't think 25/55 is too much to ask, and to look dangerous instead of lucky
- AllInForFlyers

Opportunities like that breakaway against San Jose? Guess I imagined him scoring that one.

It's good that you don't need 30 goals from our 2C considering that our 1C and top two wingers have never hit that mark in their much longer careers.

DP.

Read last night that they had issues last season, based on usage/scratches and after Cooper called him out publicly about his defense.

They might have put it aside, moved past that, after Drouin was on fire in the preseason and won the 1LW slot and had six points in five games.

Here's where it went into the ditch: Drouin got hurt, missed five games, and when he got back, Cooper had him on the fourth line and didn't move him back up to the slot he had won in camp

See, I don't know, man. That's kind of a Richard move, to me. Yes, in theory, Drouin could earn the slot back. But if you're him, and you already have a tense relationship with the coach and you feel like he (frank)ed you over out of the slot you already won in camp...trade request came right after, it appears.

TB reporter said Drouin looked pretty unhappy leaving yesterday but Drouin said he was going to report to Syracuse. Not everyone is buying that
- AllInForFlyers

If we looked at his icetime in games, it's more than 4th line icetime. The kid has missed a lot of time due to injury this year. I think TB is just trying to do what's right for the kid and his development. If he doesn't report it would be completely idiotic on his part.

Opportunities like that breakaway against San Jose? Guess I imagined him scoring that one.

It's good that you don't need 30 goals from our 2C considering that our 1C and top two wingers have never hit that mark in their much longer careers.
- Feanor

Man, you don't have to reflexively defend the dude every time someone critiques his play -- he's on pace for maybe 15-17 goals and 38-40 points.

That isn't going to get it done for a 2C. I'm not going to fight with you about it because you know damn well that isn't good enough

Man, you don't have to reflexively defend the dude every time someone critiques his play -- he's on pace for maybe 15-17 goals and 38-40 points.

That isn't going to get it done for a 2C. I'm not going to fight with you about it because you know damn well that isn't good enough
- AllInForFlyers

His scoring pace has increased since Voracek was put on his line. I'd like to see how he does if Voracek is kept there over a larger period of time.