seguin had 3 seasons under his belt when traded and while not to the level he has had in dallas but still solid and boston didn't get great value. makes u wonder what a less established Drouin would bring. personally I don't think the flyers can afford to move a guy like Simmonds plus for Drouin who may be a stud or may still never reach the level expected when drafted 3rd
- nastyflyergirl

either way i start with simmonds and see what else tampa wants simmonds won't age well with the way he plays so might as well try to get something for him now

I cannot believe what I've read that some of you would do to get Drouin. Some of you are ready to stick as much dynamite under Well Fargo and blow up the team for this kid. There is no way I would give up Wayne Simmonds plus for that kid or Brayden Schenn plus for this kid. I'm lowballing as much as possible. They might get a first and an average prospect but that's it. This isn't Eric Lindros we're talking about here.
- SuperSchennBros

Sure you try to lowball, but at the end of the day, if you really think the guy can make your team better you make the deal.

Brayden Schenn is a nice middle six player that goes on long stretches where he's not just unproductive, but damned near invisible. Simmonds is a beast on the PP, but he's also very streaky.

Guy with Drouin's skills and age isn't going to be very cheap to acquire. He's playing limited minutes and still producing at a good rate. It's not as if he has been overmatched or unsuccessful at the NHL level.

There's how many players on the team? Are there any other reports, suspicions, or speculation that any other player on the team has an issue with Cooper?
- MJL

Ha! Yeah: Stamkos

True. Who knows really.
TB only have 2.4 M in cap space though.
Another option would be pick(s). Lottery protected 1st rounder would be an option especially if we can trade L. Schenn, Streit at the deadline and get a 1st back.

More and more I'm wondering if trading some of our picks, some prospects for a couple of stud NHL Dman to ''win now'' while our core offensive guys are still in their prime years is a logical solution to the age/timeline gap situation between our D prospects and core forwards.

NHL trades seem to be at a all time low and stud Dman are soooooo expensive on the trade market.

Puzzling situation and wondering how Hextall will approach this situation in the near future.
- Chris48

The biggest issue is, what is fair value for Drouin? The guy was the third pick in a very highly regarded draft. He's been productive in a situation where he's seen limited ice time & is obviously not happy.

Based on skill, Drouin still looks like he could be an elite winger. He's elusive and smart. Good instincts. But it's risky because he hasn't really had sustained NHL success.

Obviously if he could be had for a couple prospects or a lottery protected pick, you think long and hard. I don't like the other side of the issue. Going public with the demands & possibly refusing to report to the AHL.

Sure you try to lowball, but at the end of the day, if you really think the guy can make your team better you make the deal.

Brayden Schenn is a nice middle six player that goes on long stretches where he's not just unproductive, but damned near invisible. Simmonds is a beast on the PP, but he's also very streaky.

Guy with Drouin's skills and age isn't going to be very cheap to acquire. He's playing limited minutes and still producing at a good rate. It's not as if he has been overmatched or unsuccessful at the NHL level.
- Jsaquella

I understand the trepidation in trading Simmer for anyone let alone someone still rather unproven. And I say that as someone who thinks Simmer is a tad overvalued as a player.

Now Brayden Schenn. If he was the centerpiece of a Drouin deal I would not only drive him to the airport. I'd charter him a private jet piloted by John Travolta. That would be a steal and a half if Drouin is what we think

I understand the trepidation in trading Simmer for anyone let alone someone still rather unproven. And I say that as someone who thinks Simmer is a tad overvalued as a player.

Now Brayden Schenn. If he was the centerpiece of a Drouin deal I would not only drive him to the airport. I'd charter him a private jet piloted by John Travolta. That would be a steal and a half if Drouin is what we think
- Mononoke

Yeah, the deal with Schenn would depend heavily on the prospect and other pieces. If they can deal Schenn & Hagg for him, it's a no brainer.

I cannot believe what I've read that some of you would do to get Drouin. Some of you are ready to stick as much dynamite under Well Fargo and blow up the team for this kid. There is no way I would give up Wayne Simmonds plus for that kid or Brayden Schenn plus for this kid. I'm lowballing as much as possible. They might get a first and an average prospect but that's it. This isn't Eric Lindros we're talking about here.
- SuperSchennBros

Would you give up Brayden schenn straight up no chaser???

The biggest issue is, what is fair value for Drouin? The guy was the third pick in a very highly regarded draft. He's been productive in a situation where he's seen limited ice time & is obviously not happy.

Based on skill, Drouin still looks like he could be an elite winger. He's elusive and smart. Good instincts. But it's risky because he hasn't really had sustained NHL success.

Obviously if he could be had for a couple prospects or a lottery protected pick, you think long and hard. I don't like the other side of the issue. Going public with the demands & possibly refusing to report to the AHL.
- Jsaquella

I agree we don't want a prima donna .... but if the guy can produce and is competitive every night with that high of a ceiling, he can crossdress on the weekends for all I care.

Ha! Yeah: Stamkos
- AllInForFlyers

I don't think there is a whole lot there.

I understand the trepidation in trading Simmer for anyone let alone someone still rather unproven. And I say that as someone who thinks Simmer is a tad overvalued as a player.

Now Brayden Schenn. If he was the centerpiece of a Drouin deal I would not only drive him to the airport. I'd charter him a private jet piloted by John Travolta. That would be a steal and a half if Drouin is what we think
- Mononoke

That's why this deal is difficult for the Flyers. Simmonds' value now simply exceeds Drouin's to the degree where other pieces have to get involved, and Tampa won't want that.

Conversely, Schenn isn't enough to really front a deal, so you have to,throw in too much

Because make no mistake: Someone is gonna pay for the kid. Too much skill to not pay, and it's going to be in line with Top 3 pick/top lime winger

Someone is gonna pay

I agree we don't want a prima donna .... but if the guy can produce and is competitive every night with that high of a ceiling, he can crossdress on the weekends for all I care.
- Chris48

Yeah, I just don't want a guy who is going to end up being a cancer or have issues when he doesn't get his way.

That's why this deal is difficult for the Flyers. Simmonds' value now simply exceeds Drouin's to the degree where other pieces have to get involved, and Tampa won't want that.

Conversely, Schenn isn't enough to really front a deal, so you have to,throw in too much

Because make no mistake: Someone is gonna pay for the kid. Too much skill to not pay, and it's going to be in line with Top 3 pick/top lime winger

Someone is gonna pay
- AllInForFlyers

Yzerman would have no interest in a Schenn centered deal. That's why it's a fantasy for me involving Sky Captain Travolta

i smell a CLB/TB blockbuster

That's why this deal is difficult for the Flyers. Simmonds' value now simply exceeds Drouin's to the degree where other pieces have to get involved, and Tampa won't want that.

Conversely, Schenn isn't enough to really front a deal, so you have to,throw in too much

Because make no mistake: Someone is gonna pay for the kid. Too much skill to not pay, and it's going to be in line with Top 3 pick/top lime winger

Someone is gonna pay
- AllInForFlyers

That's why I doubt he ends up a Flyer.

Sure you try to lowball, but at the end of the day, if you really think the guy can make your team better you make the deal.

Brayden Schenn is a nice middle six player that goes on long stretches where he's not just unproductive, but damned near invisible. Simmonds is a beast on the PP, but he's also very streaky.

Guy with Drouin's skills and age isn't going to be very cheap to acquire. He's playing limited minutes and still producing at a good rate. It's not as if he has been overmatched or unsuccessful at the NHL level.
- Jsaquella

How did we acquire Simmonds and Schenn? How old were they and what were their potential? It feels like it took forever for Laughton to become a regular in the line up. Laughton isn't asking for a trade.

Would you give up Brayden schenn straight up no chaser???
- Just5

No.

Every time my son sees any kind of a sporting event on TV now, he goes '' Lets go pypers, clap clap ... clap clap clap''

Pretty awesome for a 2-year-old french little bugger. Working on the ''Flyers'' pronunciation daily.

i smell a CLB/TB blockbuster
- KINGKENZO

Threeway with the Leafs getting Stamkos of course

How did we acquire Simmonds and Schenn? How old were they and what were their potential? It feels like it took forever for Laughton to become a regular in the line up. Laughton isn't asking for a trade.
- SuperSchennBros

Not sure why or how it matters how the Flyers acquired Simmonds or Schenn. But to answer the other side of that, neither had the ceiling that Drouin is projected to have, even though Schenn is a former top 5 pick. Are they untouchable because they were acquired for Mike Richards? They shouldn't be.

Not sure how Laughton is relevant to this discussion. Nobody's really mentioned him. Maybe he feels he's been well treated by the Flyers and has no issues & that's why he has been patient with his developmental path.

As for Drouin, I don't like that he went public with his trade demand. I don't like, especially, that he did it in the middle of a season. I really don't like that he's supposedly considering not reporting to the AHL by Tuesday.

In terms of skill and potential ceiling, Drouin is seen as a possible elite winger. His skill level isn't in question. His maturity, mindset and character are. Maybe he has a legitimate gripe against the Lightning. Maybe he's a selfish immature wiener. We don't know.

Threeway with the Leafs getting Stamkos of course
- PhillySportsGuy

i was thinking package of Drouin+ for Ry Jo

i was thinking package of Drouin+ for Ry Jo
- KINGKENZO

Columbus desperately needs defense. Joey is already a 30g burgeoning number one center, a more important position than wing. Just seems pointless from Columbus's perspective. But they hired Torts so who the heck knows what they will do next

Columbus desperately needs defense. Joey is already a 30g burgeoning number one center, a more important position than wing. Just seems pointless from Columbus's perspective. But they hired Torts so who the heck knows what they will do next
- Mononoke

Not sure what TB has to offer in terms of D or D prospects.

Not sure what TB has to offer in terms of D or D prospects.
- KINGKENZO

Not much. Which is why I think they'd be after Sanhiem with us.

Not sure why or how it matters how the Flyers acquired Simmonds or Schenn. But to answer the other side of that, neither had the ceiling that Drouin is projected to have, even though Schenn is a former top 5 pick. Are they untouchable because they were acquired for Mike Richards? They shouldn't be.

Not sure how Laughton is relevant to this discussion. Nobody's really mentioned him. Maybe he feels he's been well treated by the Flyers and has no issues & that's why he has been patient with his developmental path.

As for Drouin, I don't like that he went public with his trade demand. I don't like, especially, that he did it in the middle of a season. I really don't like that he's supposedly considering not reporting to the AHL by Tuesday.

In terms of skill and potential ceiling, Drouin is seen as a possible elite winger. His skill level isn't in question. His maturity, mindset and character are. Maybe he has a legitimate gripe against the Lightning. Maybe he's a selfish immature wiener. We don't know.
- Jsaquella

How did Schenn not have the ceiling Druoin did as a former 5th over pick and regarded as the best player in the world not in the NHL after his strong World Junior preference?

Drouin isn't worth Schenn alone. Who the hell is Drouin to ask for a trade is the point.

I think the trade offers by this group are asinine.

How did Schenn not have the ceiling Druoin did as a former 5th over pick and regarded as the best player in the world not in the NHL after his strong World Junior preference?

Drouin isn't worth Schenn alone. Who the hell is Drouin to ask for a trade is the point.

I think the trade offers by this group are asinine.
- SuperSchennBros

Jiri Dopita was regarded as the best player in the world outside the NHL at one point, wasn't he? Heading into the 2009 NHL Entry draft, Schenn was rated highly in a fairly average class. He was seen as a good two way player, not as a potential franchise guy.

Drouin was rated near the top of a very deep draft. He was viewed by many as a potential elite winger. He still has that potential and has been productive in the NHL, at a similar rate in terms of points scored per 60 minutes, as guys like Voracek, Sedin and Datsyuk. Among other players under 21, he's among the top scoring guys in terms of points per 60 minutes played.

What Schenn is now, is really nothing more than a run of the mill middle six guy. He's very streaky-both in terms of production and performance-and is a subpar defensive player. What he was expected to be, doesn't really matter anymore. He's getting to the point where he might well be what he is.

Drouin still has a load of room to grow and get better. He's been productive in limited minutes in Tampa Bay, and may well explode if he goes to a team where he'll be getting top six minutes.

I doubt you'd find many people who agree with your assessment that Drouin isn't worth Brayden Schenn. As for who the Hell Drouin is to demand a trade, I agree. The fact that he made it public and is trying to force Tampa's hand is definitely not appealing.

But if the Flyers can get him for Schenn straight up, then they would be (frank)ing morons to say no. Of course they won't be able to, because if Tampa does decide to trade Drouin, there will be about 25 teams that call, and just about all of them will offer more than a former high pick that has settled in as a middle six guy who barely outscores his own team's shutdown center.