Tampa should've kept Sam Gagner. Sam Gagner doesn't refuse to report. He's a pro.
- Mononoke

gagner and sanheim for drouin boom done

I didn't know Brandon Manning posted here!
- Nucker101

God help him if he does. Feanor's comments alone would drive him into depression...

...or worse.

I didn't know Brandon Manning posted here!
- Nucker101

I wasn't at that level...bucnh of old guys who are beer league rejects.

Bryan Murray is a sneaky bastard, when it comes to that stuff. He talks like a hardliner, an old-schooler, but you look at his history and you see he has picked up guys like Dany Heatley, Bobby Ryan and Kyle Turris in very similar scenarios

Hopefully you get selected in this year's draft

I don't know if you played with strangers, but if I go to the rink by my house, I usually decline to play pickups. Just work on stuff instead. No one passes the damn puck. The rink is populated, when it's populated, by dippoop teens and twenty somethings. I loathe them.
- Mononoke

I knew 7 or 8 of the other guys, very informal.

I have been skating a bit recently. It's good exercise and easier on my knees than running, but I hadn't messed around with a stick for a couple years. I've taken the kids a few times this past week and started to get them to play around with sticks and a couple hockey balls. That's when I ran into the one guy, he said we're going to play Sunday. It was just us, couple kids shooting hoops nearby, but the hockey court was empty

He's one player I haven't seen as much. I know the hands and vision are there. Don't know about the skating or hockey sense, if he tries defensively.
- AllInForFlyers

He's one of those guys that's two-steps ahead of everybody else, with eyes in the back of his head. He skates like Giroux... not blazing fast, but insane shiftiness and relatively sturdy on his skates for his size. Defensively, he puts in an honest effort and back checks and will take the body if required.

There's really nothing wrong with him as a player/prospect... Tampa just refuses to unchain him from the lower lines despite him producing extremely well w/ very limited minutes.

I knew 7 or 8 of the other guys, very informal.

I have been skating a bit recently. It's good exercise and easier on my knees than running, but I hadn't messed around with a stick for a couple years. I've taken the kids a few times this past week and started to get them to play around with sticks and a couple hockey balls. That's when I ran into the one guy, he said we're going to play Sunday. It was just us, couple kids shooting hoops nearby, but the hockey court was empty
- Jsaquella

http://www.thescore.com/n...lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

another one for hexy to get

He's one of those guys that's two-steps ahead of everybody else, with eyes in the back of his head. He skates like Giroux... not blazing fast, but insane shiftiness and relatively sturdy on his skates for his size. Defensively, he puts in an honest effort and back checks and will take the body if required.

There's really nothing wrong with him as a player/prospect... Tampa just refuses to unchain him from the lower lines despite him producing extremely well w/ very limited minutes.
- Tomahawk

That's his problem right there. Got to hit somebody when it isn't required. Ryan White and Gudas will show him how to hockey.

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/927163?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

another one for hexy to get
- 2Real

During the summer we had a few days here where Hagg for Rychel was mentioned in passing

I don't get trading Simmonds or other offensive players like B. Schenn to TB for Drouin.

We lack in the goal scoring department already.

Our core key guys like Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds (27-28 yrs old this year) are not getting any younger. What is worrisome to me is the time for our elite D prospects to develop and be effective and reliable NHL Dman. 2-3 years ???

Ghost adapted very quickly, but Dman take a lot longer to acclimate to the NHL level. It would be foolish to expect all of them Morin, Sanheim, Provo, Haag to adjust and perform at the NHL level as quick as Ghost did.

I wouldn't be against trading one of our D prospects like Morin + Laughton for Drouin.

Cap friendly for TB and we get a left winger with lots of upside. A gamble but nothing is a for sure thing obviously.

The issue of timing/development and having a solid effective NHL ready D corp while still having our core offensive guys producing in their peak years is alarming.

He's one of those guys that's two-steps ahead of everybody else, with eyes in the back of his head. He skates like Giroux... not blazing fast, but insane shiftiness and relatively sturdy on his skates for his size. Defensively, he puts in an honest effort and back checks and will take the body if required.

There's really nothing wrong with him as a player/prospect... Tampa just refuses to unchain him from the lower lines despite him producing extremely well w/ very limited minutes.
- Tomahawk

Thanks...I think I have seen him maybe twice, so I definitely don't have that good a feel

That's his problem right there. Got to hit somebody when it isn't required. Ryan White and Gudas will show him how to hockey.
- Mononoke

I don't get trading Simmonds or other offensive players like B. Schenn to TB for Drouin.

We lack in the goal scoring department already.

Our core key guys like Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds (27-28 yrs old this year) are not getting any younger. What is worrisome to me is the time for our elite D prospects to develop and be effective and reliable NHL Dman. 2-3 years ???

Ghost adapted very quickly, but Dman take a lot longer to acclimate to the NHL level. It would be foolish to expect all of them Morin, Sanheim, Provo, Haag to adjust and perform at the NHL level as quick as Ghost did.

I wouldn't be against trading one of our D prospects like Morin + Laughton for Drouin.

Cap friendly for TB and we get a left winger with lots of upside. A gamble but nothing is a for sure thing obviously.

The issue of timing/development and having a solid effective NHL ready D corp while still having our core offensive guys producing in their peak years is alarming.
- Chris48

Trying to figure out what Tampa would take, I'm not sure they'd be OK with just prospects. They're in win now mode. Plus, they have a fairly deep system.

I don't get trading Simmonds or other offensive players like B. Schenn to TB for Drouin.

We lack in the goal scoring department already.

Our core key guys like Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds (27-28 yrs old this year) are not getting any younger. What is worrisome to me is the time for our elite D prospects to develop and be effective and reliable NHL Dman. 2-3 years ???

Ghost adapted very quickly, but Dman take a lot longer to acclimate to the NHL level. It would be foolish to expect all of them Morin, Sanheim, Provo, Haag to adjust and perform at the NHL level as quick as Ghost did.

I wouldn't be against trading one of our D prospects like Morin + Laughton for Drouin.

Cap friendly for TB and we get a left winger with lots of upside. A gamble but nothing is a for sure thing obviously.

The issue of timing/development and having a solid effective NHL ready D corp while still having our core offensive guys producing in their peak years is alarming.
- Chris48

seguin

Trying to figure out what Tampa would take, I'm not sure they'd be OK with just prospects. They're in win now mode. Plus, they have a fairly deep system.
- Jsaquella

simmonds and streit then

simmonds and streit then
- 2Real

That won't work cap wise.

it would be tough for me to move Simmonds...

Sure you get Drouin and you maybe have another first line winger but then your 2 line is just as bad..Plus you lose all the intangibles that Simmonds brings..

If Sanheim + B Schenn get it done I would have to think on that.

That won't work cap wise.
- Jsaquella

Time to eat Matt Carle's contract

Yeah, see...that stuff is less important to me than some, because what if Cooper's a wiener? It happens from time to time, where the organization and a player just wind up really not being on the same page.

I just never think it's cool for the teams to always get to be the ones to kick the players in the ass, you know? Seguin is a good example -- you get to tear him apart on the way out the door, move him wherever you want, whenever you want. Same with MDZ in New York/Nashville, and how Tortorella gets to walk in and (frank) with Ryan Johansen.

I'm not saying the player is always right. I'm saying that sometimes, these organizations have their share of bumholes, too
- AllInForFlyers

There's how many players on the team? Are there any other reports, suspicions, or speculation that any other player on the team has an issue with Cooper?

it would be tough for me to move Simmonds...

Sure you get Drouin and you maybe have another first line winger but then your 2 line is just as bad..Plus you lose all the intangibles that Simmonds brings..

If Sanheim + B Schenn get it done I would have to think on that.
- opeth_pa

Konecny and two 1st rounders to address that.

Time to eat Matt Carle's contract
- Tomahawk

Jesus, with all this contract eating the Flyers will be the NHL version of Pac Man

he you know how some team dealt seguin and look at him now!
- 2Real

seguin had 3 seasons under his belt when traded and while not to the level he has had in dallas but still solid and boston didn't get great value. makes u wonder what a less established Drouin would bring. personally I don't think the flyers can afford to move a guy like Simmonds plus for Drouin who may be a stud or may still never reach the level expected when drafted 3rd

I cannot believe what I've read that some of you would do to get Drouin. Some of you are ready to stick as much dynamite under Well Fargo and blow up the team for this kid. There is no way I would give up Wayne Simmonds plus for that kid or Brayden Schenn plus for this kid. I'm lowballing as much as possible. They might get a first and an average prospect but that's it. This isn't Eric Lindros we're talking about here.

Trying to figure out what Tampa would take, I'm not sure they'd be OK with just prospects. They're in win now mode. Plus, they have a fairly deep system.
- Jsaquella

True. Who knows really.
TB only have 2.4 M in cap space though.
Another option would be pick(s). Lottery protected 1st rounder would be an option especially if we can trade L. Schenn, Streit at the deadline and get a 1st back.

More and more I'm wondering if trading some of our picks, some prospects for a couple of stud NHL Dman to ''win now'' while our core offensive guys are still in their prime years is a logical solution to the age/timeline gap situation between our D prospects and core forwards.

NHL trades seem to be at a all time low and stud Dman are soooooo expensive on the trade market.

Puzzling situation and wondering how Hextall will approach this situation in the near future.