They have asked about Rask, JVR, possibly Huberdeau, and Boedker.

It seems like the only possible deal there is Boedker, and I think they would jump at an affordable deal for him.
- John Jaeckel

John,

Any idea on when this trade would go down??

It seems to me the longer the season goes on, and the more the Hawks struggle without this 1LW, the more the asking price will be for him.

And he would need time to learn the system and acclimate to new teammates. We saw Vermette struggle with both when he arrived last spring.

If the Hawks front office continues to drag their feet with potential trades, they are going to fall in the standings and look desperate to whichever trading partner they find - and they will have to overpay for what they need.

This trade needs to go down in the next week or two - they simply cannot wait until the trading deadline this year.

They have asked about Rask, JVR, possibly Huberdeau, and Boedker.

It seems like the only possible deal there is Boedker, and I think they would jump at an affordable deal for him.
- John Jaeckel

With Runblad and Bickell waived + Kruger on LTIR, that's $3.5M in space, plus the additional cap space they have now. So that definitely will fit Boedker's $3.75M salary.

Question is, what would he sign long-term for? $5M? The regular season numbers are comparable to Saad, but Saad had some very memorable goals in the playoffs that raised his rate (even though Andrew Shaw had MORE playoff points).

With Boedker signed at $5M, Panarin's bonuses, the extensions for Seabrook and Anisimov, is there any room for Shaw? Much less Kruger?

Id rather have Scott over these players from the last 15 years when I routinely followed the hawks on either d or wing
Alex Karpotsev , Mike Peulso, Gary Valk, Deron Quint, Mikahel Yaukpov, Erik Nikalus, Thomas Fitzgearld Peter White, Pavel Vorbiev, Todd Simpson, Tony Salmelien, Michael Holmqvist, Craig Mcdonald, Nikita Aleexva, Carl Corazinni, Colin Fraser, Adam Burish, Kevyn Adams, Craig Adams, Karl Stewart, Andrew Ebbet, Fernado Pisani. We've had some pretty bad talent in the lineup and even though Scott doesn't always enforce like he's suppose to he is more useful then the players above.
As for just enforcers I'd put them in this order since I've followed the hawks in terms of playing there role.
1. Ryan Vandenbussche (fearless, great skater would thrive in todays nhl as a 4th liner)
2. Bob Probert (On the down swing of his career)
3. Jim Vandermeer (Absolute animal until his last year with the hawks helped out a young Seabrook and Keith)
4. Reed Low (Knew his role only lasted half a season)
5. David Koci (Always count on him to show up not the best fighter, most memorable debut ever against the yotes)
6. John Scott (When he felt like it could be effective enforcing would have been great in the 90s.)
7. Ben Eager (Spot picker and took some dumb penalties)
8. Shawn Thorton (Didn't get much of a chance but was always good)
9. Brandon Bollig (Average at best)
10. Daniel Carcillo (Washed up by the time he got to the hawks)
The rest I guess you could call enforcers or guys who relied on fighting Adam Burish and Colin Fraser were punching bags. Travis Moen only player a year as did Scottie Nicohl, and Matthew Barnaby. John Aitkens had one great season but not long enough resume. Aaron Downey was muh.
What would any of your guys list be? I've watched some older video and Stu Grimson was fun to watch. Behn Wilson was tough as nails as was Peluso and Cam Russell even though they had there share of losses. And we all know even though he was willing the late Keith Magnuson was a brutal fighter.
- vandymeer23

One of the best punches I ever saw. Some guy from LA wanted to go and Aitkens dropped him one and done.

And Buschie danced with a big guy from Tampa in front of the Tampa bench and knocked a few of his teeth out and onto a Russian rookies lap. The kid was so scared they had to put him in the spare goalies seat behind the bench and promise him he didn't have to go out on the ice again.

... And this point gets covered up because the core is so good...But many drafted who failed projections were held so long they had little if any trade value...And some of those were dmen that may have been developed to be 3rd pairing players.

I think Bowman realizes the same now and was proactive in dealing Clendening.

Young guys like Dano and Danault may never have higher trade value than they have now.
- Al

Dare I say this? Sure, what the hell. Add TT to that. I think it's time for a little, umm, perspective on Maurice "Rocket" Teravainen.

Dano and TT are basically the same age (Dano is two months younger). Last year was basically the first full season in North American pro hockey for both of them. They played an almost identical amount of AHL, NHL and pro games overall.

Dano had about ten more goals and points overall.

But about 50% of the Hawk fan base has gone all gaga over the Great TT. Why? Because this fan base, moreso than most in my opinion, has a knowledge of hockey that extends geographically beyond Chicago to Rockford, and that's about it. And "mythologies" develop around certain prospects that aren't necessarily grounded in fact or perspective.

Look, Teravainen has some obvious skill in his hands and ability to recognize but so did Pierre-Marc Bouchard. The point being, we don't know how good he's going to become. Right now, he's a third line RW who is highly contact-averse and pretty much worthless in tight-checking.

Dano, Danault, and Teravainen are all former first round picks who have some upside. To my eye, there is not all that much separating them in terms of value to an organization, today. Going forward that could change.

But there is a reason that a lot of NHL GMs like Marko Dano, and a source told me recently, "the Hawks don't want to trade Dano. He's 20 years old and has all kinds of upside."

To my mind, that also doesn't mean they won't trade Dano. And for the same reasons, Teravainen.

One of the best punches I ever saw. Some guy from LA wanted to go and Aitkens dropped him one and done.

And Buschie danced with a big guy from Tampa in front of the Tampa bench and knocked a few of his teeth out and onto a Russian rookies lap. The kid was so scared they had to put him in the spare goalies seat behind the bench and promise him he didn't have to go out on the ice again.
- 6628

I remember Enrico Ciccone knocking some guy out with one punch while in a Hawk sweater.

Also Probert's KO of Scott Parker in '96 was a thing of beauty. Classic Probie bout, with a typical end.

John,

Any idea on when this trade would go down??

It seems to me the longer the season goes on, and the more the Hawks struggle without this 1LW, the more the asking price will be for him.

And he would need time to learn the system and acclimate to new teammates. We saw Vermette struggle with both when he arrived last spring.

If the Hawks front office continues to drag their feet with potential trades, they are going to fall in the standings and look desperate to whichever trading partner they find - and they will have to overpay for what they need.

This trade needs to go down in the next week or two - they simply cannot wait until the trading deadline this year.
- dahawks8819

Guessing more toward the deadline.

Dare I say this? Sure, what the hell. Add TT to that. I think it's time for a little, umm, perspective on Maurice "Rocket" Teravainen.

Dano and TT are basically the same age (Dano is two months younger). Last year was basically the first full season in North American pro hockey for both of them. They played an almost identical amount of AHL, NHL and pro games overall.

Dano had about ten more goals and points overall.

But about 50% of the Hawk fan base has gone all gaga over the Great TT. Why? Because this fan base, moreso than most in my opinion, has a knowledge of hockey that extends geographically beyond Chicago to Rockford, and that's about it. And "mythologies" develop around certain prospects that aren't necessarily grounded in fact or perspective.

Look, Teravainen has some obvious skill in his hands and ability to recognize but so did Pierre-Marc Bouchard. The point being, we don't know how good he's going to become. Right now, he's a third line RW who is highly contact-averse and pretty much worthless in tight-checking.

Dano, Danault, and Teravainen are all former first round picks who have some upside. To my eye, there is not all that much separating them in terms of value to an organization, today. Going forward that could change.

But there is a reason that a lot of NHL GMs like Marko Dano, and a source told me recently, "the Hawks don't want to trade Dano. He's 20 years old and has all kinds of upside."

To my mind, that also doesn't mean they won't trade Dano. And for the same reasons, Teravainen.
- John Jaeckel

TT starting to remind me of JP Dumont. Huge chicken when he was here but overcame that with Buffalo and then Nashville. It took time though.

I remember Enrico Ciccone knocking some guy out with one punch while in a Hawk sweater.

Also Probert's KO of Scott Parker in '96 was a thing of beauty. Classic Probie bout, with a typical end.
- John Jaeckel

Chico smoked Jamie Pushor from Detroit. We could go back and forth all day on Proby.

Seems to me like an error in judgement to waive tiko and not use him as a trade chip. Especially to AZ. You had to know they would want their pick back.
- hocktock

The way I hear it, he possibly was a "trade chip." Just doing a favor for AZ to set that other trade up. We'll see.

I completely agree and Stan has done well in the NCAA/Euro FA department, it just shouldnt have to be either/or when stocking the cupboard via draft vs FA

IMO, Stans biggest mistake was not taking picks for Sharp when he had the chance. Take the pure cap space, wouldnt have taken Daley back, could have re-signed Oduya for what he took in Dallas. I mean how many weeks did Oduya sit and wait for Chicago to get something done so he could re-sign?

The picks would have also compensated some for the very high picks we lost at the TDL. Would have been the opportune time to replenish some
- FourFeathers773

Hindsight is always 20/20. That said, Sharp and Bickell needed to be cap dumps for picks with possible retained salary. Imagine trading Sharp directly to the Penguins or to the Habs for a $2M depth defenseman and a prospect.

Buying out Bickell would be $1M, $1M, $1.5M, and $1.5M for the next four years. Even retaining $1M or max $1.5M in a trade for the next two years makes him comparable to an expensive AHL contract.

The math allows these lines:

Dano - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - Anisimov - Kane
Versteeg - Rasmussen/Danault - Teravainen
Desjardins - Kruger - Shaw
Kero

Keith - Seabrook
Oduya - Hammer
TVR - Depth D (in trade)
Rozsival

Crawford
Darling

Looking at those lines, there's one new face on D, and there are only 4 new faces up front. 1LW is possibly still a problem, potentially, but the potential for depth scoring looks better.

Of course, if 19 and 81 are missing open nets and the entire D is still gassed from the long playoff runs, it may still not matter...

TT starting to remind me of JP Dumont. Huge chicken when he was here but overcame that with Buffalo and then Nashville. It took time though.
- 6628

Interesting comparison. TT has smore skill in his hands but JP was a bigger more physical guy.

Chico smoked Jamie Pushor from Detroit. We could go back and forth all day on Proby.
- 6628

I have to concede, Probie was a much more fearsome fighter in his Detroit days, but he had a few moments in Chicago when he was much more the aging warrior that the young bucks wanted to take down. Some of his Detroit brawls were EPIC. Like the one where he took on 5 Blues—and beat them.

I have to concede, Probie was a much more fearsome fighter in his Detroit days, but he had a few moments in Chicago when he was much more the aging warrior that the young bucks wanted to take down. Some of his Detroit brawls were EPIC. Like the one where he took on 5 Blues—and beat them.
- John Jaeckel

I remember young guys begging Probie to have a go in preseason. Dennis Bonvie got one bout and was begging for a second. Another guy whose name I can't remember was told by Probie to " go win a couple bouts with the middleweights first" and sounded just like John Milner in American Graffiti telling Harrison Ford to go win a few races first.

I have to concede, Probie was a much more fearsome fighter in his Detroit days, but he had a few moments in Chicago when he was much more the aging warrior that the young bucks wanted to take down. Some of his Detroit brawls were EPIC. Like the one where he took on 5 Blues—and beat them.
- John Jaeckel

Probert admitted after leaving Detroit, and his drinking and drug binges, that fighting no longer appealed to him - because getting punched in the face, while sober, hurt.

Dare I say this? Sure, what the hell. Add TT to that. I think it's time for a little, umm, perspective on Maurice "Rocket" Teravainen.

Dano and TT are basically the same age (Dano is two months younger). Last year was basically the first full season in North American pro hockey for both of them. They played an almost identical amount of AHL, NHL and pro games overall.

Dano had about ten more goals and points overall.

But about 50% of the Hawk fan base has gone all gaga over the Great TT. Why? Because this fan base, moreso than most in my opinion, has a knowledge of hockey that extends geographically beyond Chicago to Rockford, and that's about it. And "mythologies" develop around certain prospects that aren't necessarily grounded in fact or perspective.

Look, Teravainen has some obvious skill in his hands and ability to recognize but so did Pierre-Marc Bouchard. The point being, we don't know how good he's going to become. Right now, he's a third line RW who is highly contact-averse and pretty much worthless in tight-checking.

Dano, Danault, and Teravainen are all former first round picks who have some upside. To my eye, there is not all that much separating them in terms of value to an organization, today. Going forward that could change.

But there is a reason that a lot of NHL GMs like Marko Dano, and a source told me recently, "the Hawks don't want to trade Dano. He's 20 years old and has all kinds of upside."

To my mind, that also doesn't mean they won't trade Dano. And for the same reasons, Teravainen.
- John Jaeckel

To me, there is more of a "guarantee" that Dano will pan out as a Top 6 NHL forward due to his large frame and mental toughness/intensity. Tuevo is a skinny little dude and like you said JJ, there have been countless guys with high-end puck skill that never panned out. Why? Because they didn't have the size and/or cajones to get to the dirty areas, win board battles and play Playoff-style hockey. Most here crucified me last week after TT had a good game against the lowly Oilers. That was preseason level checking and he made a couple nice plays. The last week has been much tighter checking and TT has been a ghost. Dano may not have quite as high an offensive ceiling, but his floor is higher bc of his attitude and frame. At worst Dano is an effective grinder with skill on 3RW. At worst TT is a KHLer than can only be effective on the larger ice with time and space to make plays. TT could figure it out but if he looks like this before the TDL, StanBo cannot afford to wait around. Everyone thinks this core will be elite for 5 more years. You are kidding yourself. Now until 2017/18 is the real Cup Wondow. Trade the "prospects" for some big time players and REPEAT! Just my opinion. TWT on Tuevo and Stan's plan for this season....

Guessing more toward the deadline.
- John Jaeckel

If they wait that long, the hole on the first line will be that mire glaring, and cost more to fix.

This roster, as currently constructed, does NOT have a fill in to play top line minutes. Shaw is not the answer. He is much more effective on a lower line.

If they really are serious about repeating, they simply cannot wait until late February/early March to fix this.

By then, the hole dug may be to steep to climb out of.

The way I hear it, he possibly was a "trade chip." Just doing a favor for AZ to set that other trade up. We'll see.
- John Jaeckel

Interesting. It smelled that way at the time. I thought more inside like coach to coach favor. I know they're pals.

The way I hear it, he possibly was a "trade chip." Just doing a favor for AZ to set that other trade up. We'll see.
- John Jaeckel

Tikhonen to AZ: doesn't matter now,of course - if that was the plan, it worked - but seems that the waiver wire is a "dangerous" way to play that game: some team below AZ could have claimed him, screwing up the plan.

Seems a lot "safer" to trade him directly for something, which could have been returned in the final trade.

Dare I say this? Sure, what the hell. Add TT to that. I think it's time for a little, umm, perspective on Maurice "Rocket" Teravainen.

Dano and TT are basically the same age (Dano is two months younger). Last year was basically the first full season in North American pro hockey for both of them. They played an almost identical amount of AHL, NHL and pro games overall.

Dano had about ten more goals and points overall.

But about 50% of the Hawk fan base has gone all gaga over the Great TT. Why? Because this fan base, moreso than most in my opinion, has a knowledge of hockey that extends geographically beyond Chicago to Rockford, and that's about it. And "mythologies" develop around certain prospects that aren't necessarily grounded in fact or perspective.

Look, Teravainen has some obvious skill in his hands and ability to recognize but so did Pierre-Marc Bouchard. The point being, we don't know how good he's going to become. Right now, he's a third line RW who is highly contact-averse and pretty much worthless in tight-checking.

Dano, Danault, and Teravainen are all former first round picks who have some upside. To my eye, there is not all that much separating them in terms of value to an organization, today. Going forward that could change.

But there is a reason that a lot of NHL GMs like Marko Dano, and a source told me recently, "the Hawks don't want to trade Dano. He's 20 years old and has all kinds of upside."

To my mind, that also doesn't mean they won't trade Dano. And for the same reasons, Teravainen.
- John Jaeckel

TT: only 21 - all kinds of potential that probably needs two-three years to realize - needs to grow physically, and figure out how to use his skills in the Show. His problem is what to do when he has no space/time to make a play - don't know that he can learn that in the "A" - may need to learn in the NHL.

If you can wait, you may wind up with a terrific player. Hawks might not be able to wait - but if he goes, he has to be part of a deal that solves problems - 1LW/4D - not because he has "failed" so far, or as filler to move Bickell for cap space.

I remember Enrico Ciccone knocking some guy out with one punch while in a Hawk sweater.

Also Probert's KO of Scott Parker in '96 was a thing of beauty. Classic Probie bout, with a typical end.
- John Jaeckel

One of my favorites was Probie and Reid Simpson(later teammates and good friends) center ice in the Meadowlands. Also Probert laying a beat down on Buckberger in Edmonton. Home crowd got quiet in a hurry.

I remember young guys begging Probie to have a go in preseason. Dennis Bonvie got one bout and was begging for a second. Another guy whose name I can't remember was told by Probie to " go win a couple bouts with the middleweights first" and sounded just like John Milner in American Graffiti telling Harrison Ford to go win a few races first.
- 6628

Bonvie was a madman, a lot like Vandenbussche as far as fearlessness. Also a good guy who I believe works for the Hawks as a scout.

TT: only 21 - all kinds of potential that probably needs two-three years to realize - needs to grow physically, and figure out how to use his skills in the Show. His problem is what to do when he has no space/time to make a play - don't know that he can learn that in the "A" - may need to learn in the NHL.

If you can wait, you may wind up with a terrific player. Hawks might not be able to wait - but if he goes, he has to be part of a deal that solves problems - 1LW/4D - not because he has "failed" so far, or as filler to move Bickell for cap space.
- StLBravesFan

Agreed 100% with every word.

TT: only 21 - all kinds of potential that probably needs two-three years to realize - needs to grow physically, and figure out how to use his skills in the Show. His problem is what to do when he has no space/time to make a play - don't know that he can learn that in the "A" - may need to learn in the NHL.

If you can wait, you may wind up with a terrific player. Hawks might not be able to wait - but if he goes, he has to be part of a deal that solves problems - 1LW/4D - not because he has "failed" so far, or as filler to move Bickell for cap space.
- StLBravesFan

Not sure this can be taught or learned.

Otherwise, I agree with everything else. Especially with the part about him solving problems on the team and NOT as filler to move Bickell.

To me, there is more of a "guarantee" that Dano will pan out as a Top 6 NHL forward due to his large frame and mental toughness/intensity. Tuevo is a skinny little dude and like you said JJ, there have been countless guys with high-end puck skill that never panned out. Why? Because they didn't have the size and/or cajones to get to the dirty areas, win board battles and play Playoff-style hockey. Most here crucified me last week after TT had a good game against the lowly Oilers. That was preseason level checking and he made a couple nice plays. The last week has been much tighter checking and TT has been a ghost. Dano may not have quite as high an offensive ceiling, but his floor is higher bc of his attitude and frame. At worst Dano is an effective grinder with skill on 3RW. At worst TT is a KHLer than can only be effective on the larger ice with time and space to make plays. TT could figure it out but if he looks like this before the TDL, StanBo cannot afford to wait around. Everyone thinks this core will be elite for 5 more years. You are kidding yourself. Now until 2017/18 is the real Cup Wondow. Trade the "prospects" for some big time players and REPEAT! Just my opinion. TWT on Tuevo and Stan's plan for this season....
- EnzoD

It's interesting because they're both probably best at RW in the NHL, but the comparison kinda ends there.

Dano is more of a scorer, TT more of a setup guy.

Dano is physically strong, pretty fearless, can really fire the puck and has some nifty hands and ability to recognize but really a scorer first. I will RARELY question the coaching/development staff but I really don't get why they are investing so Much time in getting him to move to LW. I mean, obviously, there is an organizational deficit there and the opposite flank is overloaded (81, 88, 86). Because Dano is very natural and effective coming off the right wing.

TT is all flair and creativity but he can also fire the puck too.

I would not trade either for a rental. If a package involving either brought back a slightly older more proven player the Hawks could lock up for a few years, then you have to look at it. And in light of the Cup window, probably do it.

Tikhonen to AZ: doesn't matter now,of course - if that was the plan, it worked - but seems that the waiver wire is a "dangerous" way to play that game: some team below AZ could have claimed him, screwing up the plan.

Seems a lot "safer" to trade him directly for something, which could have been returned in the final trade.
- StLBravesFan

But perhaps Stan didn't want to look bad to Panarin....more like we didn't think anyone would claim Tik as opposed to an outright trade.