http://nypost.com/2015/12/23/sidney-crosby-is-a-coach-killer-there-we-said-it/


- EnzoD

always people that hate people with success

http://nypost.com/2015/12/23/sidney-crosby-is-a-coach-killer-there-we-said-it/


- EnzoD

Did you even read the article? Holy poop its a sourceless biased jumble. He lists coaches, but none who have actually said Crosby is a coach killer... he acts like this season Crosby hasn't been butt (frank)ed with criticism for his slump.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/23/sidney-crosby-is-a-coach-killer-there-we-said-it/


- EnzoD

How many coaches has ovie had? Why do people only ever point out Sid? Both sid and ovie have gone through a bunch of coaches and people only talk about sid being a coach killer. Both have teams that mad bad hirings. Other teams like the blackhawks don't have to worry cuz they have stars and a good coach. Not every team can have both.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/23/sidney-crosby-is-a-coach-killer-there-we-said-it/


- EnzoD

Mike Johnston was fired because he is a bad coach, period. Obviously I was not at any practices or in the locker room, much like the yo-yo that wrote that article I might add, but by all accounts Crosby was playing the way Johnston wanted him too. That certainly doesn't sound like a coach killer to me.

did anyone see the match between canada and sweden (canada won 7 - 6) but did people see what happend with the nets?

Did you even read the article? Holy poop its a sourceless biased jumble. He lists coaches, but none who have actually said Crosby is a coach killer... he acts like this season Crosby hasn't been butt (frank)ed with criticism for his slump.
- Guile

Then the clown who wrote that drivel says that he agrees with Tortorella. That's all you need to know about his credibility.

Much of what you said is correct in a very general sense but are also incorrect when you delve deeper into the more advanced understanding of the game.

Situations like Kessel/Crosby not finishing open plays are somewhat isolated occurrences that happen multiple times in pretty much every game and they happen to every player no matter how elite. Sure if they bury some of those chances there would be more goals and possibly more wins but it would be masking the bigger issues of the team. No 3 forwards in the league are going to score regularly 3 on 5 so scoring and creating offense can't be viewed as the sole responsibility of the 3 forwards on the ice, the defense has to be involved to consistently generate scoring. Also with the trapping and clogging up of the neutral zone in today's game it's almost impossible to consistently generate offense with being able to enter the zone with speed and control of the puck, again no 3 forwards in the league will accomplish that regularly 3 on 5 so again the only way to consistently enter the zone properly relies the defense being involved by either being able to get the puck to the forwards in a position where they can do something with it or by skating with the puck and joining the rush. The defensemen are as important to the forwards creating offense as the forwards are to helping the defenseman playing D, neither can or will be consistently effective without all 5 players being effective.

As playing good defense, GA is a really poor way to evaluate overall defense because too many factors are involved in keeping pucks out of the net. A goalie having an extremely high sv% can keep the GA down even though they play poor defense, and on the other hand a team can play really good defense but if the goalie has a poor sv% the GA will be high even though they played great D.
- jaydogg1974

I understand what you are saying. I truly believe the team whose D scores the most will win the majority of games - the forwards cancel each other out (I've generalised there but you get the idea of what I'm saying).

If our D is so bad then the Stars D must be magnificent if the forwards do as you say above. I disagree a little (of course my understanding isn't as nearly as good as everyone else's here), if your forwards are converting chances as the Stars top group is, there is no reason you won't win if you are able to get the chances or opportunities to score & you limit the GA. We are getting chances but we aren't converting, the shooting % stats backs this up. Our money guys are playing like poor men busking on the street hoping someone gives them a break - our guys are hoping their shots score goals. Slash just rocks & there's no need to be worried about feeding his kids, that type of mentality is nowhere to be found in the Pens F group.

At the end of the day whether it be the goalie or good defence, if we can keep them out but can't score it's going to be difficult hence our close games that are usually low scoring. If the team shooting % could increase to at least 9% it will make a huge difference. If we win games 4/5-2 will we still be talking bad D? Ass Jackets game is a perfect example - they scored 2 but this game our stars scored & we won 5-2. Earlier in the season that would probably have been a 1-2 loss.

http://www.sportingcharts...shooting-percentage/2015/

http://nypost.com/2015/12/23/sidney-crosby-is-a-coach-killer-there-we-said-it/


- EnzoD

Yes, yes & yes. This from a Hawks fan that probably creams his jeans every time Patrick Kane gets the puck!

As a supporter of a team, I'd much rather a star of my team be accused (poorly) of being a coach killer than being accused by a woman (that was there), of being a rapist!

So you keep supporting your accused rapist & we'll carry on with our proven champion Sidney Crosby!

Edit: Sid is better than Toews!

Mike Johnston was fired because he is a bad coach, period. Obviously I was not at any practices or in the locker room, much like the yo-yo that wrote that article I might add, but by all accounts Crosby was playing the way Johnston wanted him too. That certainly doesn't sound like a coach killer to me.
- Thunderbolt

I'm not going to read the article, but Dan Bylsma killed himself in Pittsburgh. The owner (who happens to know a little bit about hockey) asked him to change a few things and he refused. They even hired JM to try to get some adjustments out of Dan and he simply ignored him. Dan Bylsma repeatedly had his ass handed to him every spring. Being out-coached is a real thing.....and he was repeatedly.

Mike Johnston was in over his head. Everybody knew it. He knew it too. Smart man, classy guy, but had the motivational skills of Charlie Brown.

did anyone see the match between canada and sweden (canada won 7 - 6) but did people see what happend with the nets?
- martox

What happened? Way too much Christmas food prep this year to watch squat.

What happened? Way too much Christmas food prep this year to watch squat.
- Guile

sweden got 3 goals called off cuz the puck never went in the net. Further review showed they had gone right through the net since the net was cut open at a spot making so the shots went right through. sweden would have won 7 - 9 had the nets been whole...

Cowen, Wiercioch, Prince, + for DP

I'm not going to read the article, but Dan Bylsma killed himself in Pittsburgh. The owner (who happens to know a little bit about hockey) asked him to change a few things and he refused. They even hired JM to try to get some adjustments out of Dan and he simply ignored him. Dan Bylsma repeatedly had his ass handed to him every spring. Being out-coached is a real thing.....and he was repeatedly.

Mike Johnston was in over his head. Everybody knew it. He knew it too. Smart man, classy guy, but had the motivational skills of Charlie Brown.
- madmike71

Do you have the transcripts of the conversations between Mario and Bylsma or a link to a reliable article about said conversations? This is the first I've ever heard about the conversations and am curious about what Mario specifically asked Dan to change and why Dan refused to make the changes Mario asked for.

The Goligosky trade is what (frank)ed us... when Shero made that trade, he got the NHL's biggest boner for thinking he can swap puck moving D for solid players.
- Guile

If you could trade Hornqvist for Gologoski straight up today, would you?

Because as it stands, that is the "net" of that trade

If you could trade Hornqvist for Gologoski straight up today, would you?

Because as it stands, that is the "net" of that trade
- TheGame316

Good argument. Id say yes. Goligoski isn't great defensively but he's good offensively and can QB a PP. Hornqvist looks awful this season and I'm beginning to wonder how effective he will be long term with his playing style.

If you could trade Hornqvist for Gologoski straight up today, would you?

Because as it stands, that is the "net" of that trade
- TheGame316

When people break down the "net" of trades... it can make a lot look bad later when pieces get re-moved or unsigned.

The Sharp trade the blackhawks made... what is the net of that now?

Well it didnt take long for this board to get all worked up and negative again.
Am I the only one who is excited for Saturday?

I dont understand all this complaining still about the defense. Daley looks pretty damn good if you ask me, espcially with the way we want to play. On Saturday we should be adding a Norris calibre dman and one of the fastest dmen in the league to a dcorp that is already looking pretty damn menacing.
We will also be adding a pretty good center too. I just hope the coach keeps Kessel with Bonino. Just slot Sid into the third line and move Cullen back to the 4th.

The last win was a statement game, and that statement is the Pens are back.

Well it didnt take long for this board to get all worked up and negative again.
Am I the only one who is excited for Saturday?

I dont understand all this complaining still about the defense. Daley looks pretty damn good if you ask me, espcially with the way we want to play. On Saturday we should be adding a Norris calibre dman and one of the fastest dmen in the league to a dcorp that is already looking pretty damn menacing.
We will also be adding a pretty good center too. I just hope the coach keeps Kessel with Bonino. Just slot Sid into the third line and move Cullen back to the 4th.

The last win was a statement game, and that statement is the Pens are back.
- stackthepads

Ermmm... did you typo something there? Crosby on the 3rd line? Or is Bonino Kessel the new 2nd line, Malking the 1st, and Sid the 3rd?

Do you have the transcripts of the conversations between Mario and Bylsma or a link to a reliable article about said conversations? This is the first I've ever heard about the conversations and am curious about what Mario specifically asked Dan to change and why Dan refused to make the changes Mario asked for.
- jaydogg1974

http://dkpittsburghsports...sider-russ-real-farewell/

For those that don't have access...

• Had a fascinating conversation this week about Dan Bylsma’s final couple of years behind the Penguins’ bench, and it shed light on something I hadn’t previously understood: Why, if the people over his head were displeased with his system, did it never change?

The answer, according to one individual eminently in the know, was that Bylsma flat-out wouldn’t listen to anyone. No, not even to Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle.

The part that was most irksome to the owners was the same that seemed to irk most in the public, that being the spread-all-over-creation breakouts. Those above Bylsma recognized that the breakouts, one, stunted his own star players’ speed by having them catch passes at a standstill and, two, were laughably easy to defend when a team had time to practice it. Such as, you know, a best-of-seven playoff series.

Bylsma would occasionally be told of this dissatisfaction, and the system would be modified … but never for more than a game or two.

Some coaches really do forget that the objective is to win, not to win your way.

DK did a lot or reporting on Bylsma. There's at least a handful more that aren't exactly flattering for Disco.

This might have been posted already, but nice read from Molinari with Botteriill commenting on the Penguins' top 10 prospects.

http://www.post-gazette.c...5-16/stories/201512230197

If Guentzel had better size he'd be a can't miss prospect.

I call Shenanigans! Every good hockey person knows all you need is a few charts to know the truth, actually watching the product on ice isn't necessary if your numbers are strong.
- jaydogg1974

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Well it didnt take long for this board to get all worked up and negative again.
Am I the only one who is excited for Saturday?

I dont understand all this complaining still about the defense. Daley looks pretty damn good if you ask me, espcially with the way we want to play. On Saturday we should be adding a Norris calibre dman and one of the fastest dmen in the league to a dcorp that is already looking pretty damn menacing.
We will also be adding a pretty good center too. I just hope the coach keeps Kessel with Bonino. Just slot Sid into the third line and move Cullen back to the 4th.

The last win was a statement game, and that statement is the Pens are back.
- stackthepads

Winning a game vs cbj doesn't mean they're back. Put 5+ in a row and we'll see.

Well it didnt take long for this board to get all worked up and negative again.
Am I the only one who is excited for Saturday?

I dont understand all this complaining still about the defense. Daley looks pretty damn good if you ask me, espcially with the way we want to play. On Saturday we should be adding a Norris calibre dman and one of the fastest dmen in the league to a dcorp that is already looking pretty damn menacing.
We will also be adding a pretty good center too. I just hope the coach keeps Kessel with Bonino. Just slot Sid into the third line and move Cullen back to the 4th.

The last win was a statement game, and that statement is the Pens are back.
- stackthepads

Winning a game vs cbj doesn't mean they're back. Put 5+ in a row and we'll see.

This might have been posted already, but nice read from Molinari with Botteriill commenting on the Penguins' top 10 prospects.

http://www.post-gazette.c...5-16/stories/201512230197

If Guentzel had better size he'd be a can't miss prospect.
- hardnosed

That guy sounds like Bennett but with a smaller frame. I'm sure everyone on the board will hate him when the time comes.

I'm disappointed with how low they sound on Blueger. I guess no harm no foul since he probably won't sign here, but I've always liked the idea of Blueger.

Ermmm... did you typo something there? Crosby on the 3rd line? Or is Bonino Kessel the new 2nd line, Malking the 1st, and Sid the 3rd?
- Guile

I dont care who is considered the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th lines. Let the opponents decide who they want to prioritize against. I just want to see Crosby, Malkin and Kessel on separate lines. What I meant about 3rd line is slot him in with whomever was playing with Cullen, although I dont think they should do that either. Id like to see:

Kunitz Crosby Sheary
Porter Malkin Hornqvist
Perron Bonino Kessel
Plotnikov Cullen Fehr

But whatever just give them each their own line and put a little locker room competition together