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SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Dec 21 @ 4:35 PM ET
Linden needs to hire Kevin Lowe as an advisor on how to suck properly.
- Linden_4_Capt


I think youre onto something there.
how does lowe keep his job??
there must a suck mandate as the plan
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 21 @ 4:38 PM ET
Not sure if this has already been shared but an interesting article from PITB.

http://www.vancourier.com...than-the-sedins-1.2136715

Prust, Dorsett and Cracknell are ranked 1, 2 and 4 in even strength ice-time when down by a goal.

The Canucks are 0-10-3 when trailing after 1 period and 0-13-1 when trailing by 2 periods.

Who needs Lowe when, you have a perfect formula for losing already.
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Dec 21 @ 4:41 PM ET
Oh geez it sucks coming here every day to see the same crap posted daily, in huge amounts. Same whining about the same players day after day. Trade half the team blah blah blah.

Something fresh would be good....and no I don't mean fresh whining about different players. I mean lets actually debate something new or fresher. The SO point 1 yesterday was good.....done to death in the past but has been quite awhile.

OK so here's 1....this year our D is by far worse than last year. Although Bieksa wasn't a great D and most agreed he had to go, in hindsight are we actually weaker on D now without him?

nevermind the whole bieksa sbisa trainwreck pairing though, That just brought bieksa down to a new low

- SMBDragon


I think coaching has got a lot to do with our play recently. I don't know why some people here are so high on Glen Glutzen? Canucks regressed in every category since AV left, the only constant since then is GG. Not that hard to see that. Get rid of GG and Lidster and get some competent D coach and special teams coach. Bring up Green and give him Defense. Get him acquainted at NHL level thinking and when the time is right give him the reigns. Giving rookie NHL coaches a HC job has to stop. AHL and Junior level coaching is at a much slower rate and usually a threat will get the players going. NHL level all players know that they will get paid no matter what and worst case scenario the team will fire the coach before trading away players. This is the reason why the Torts and the Keenans cant survive in this NHL.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Dec 21 @ 4:42 PM ET
Not sure if this has already been shared but an interesting article from PITB.

http://www.vancourier.com...than-the-sedins-1.2136715

Prust, Dorsett and Cracknell are ranked 1, 2 and 4 in even strength ice-time when down by a goal.

The Canucks are 0-10-3 when trailing after 1 period and 0-13-1 when trailing by 2 periods.

Who needs Lowe when, you have a perfect formula for losing already.

- belcherbd




I've noticed too that WD seems to play the 4th line after a goal (which with our PK is usually a PP goal by the other team).
I just assumed he wanted an energy shift following a goal against, and that the 4th line does not get any special teams action.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 21 @ 4:49 PM ET
I think coaching has got a lot to do with our play recently. I don't know why some people here are so high on Glen Glutzen? Canucks regressed in every category since AV left, the only constant since then is GG. Not that hard to see that. Get rid of GG and Lidster and get some competent D coach and special teams coach. Bring up Green and give him Defense. Get him acquainted at NHL level thinking and when the time is right give him the reigns. Giving rookie NHL coaches a HC job has to stop. AHL and Junior level coaching is at a much slower rate and usually a threat will get the players going. NHL level all players know that they will get paid no matter what and worst case scenario the team will fire the coach before trading away players. This is the reason why the Torts and the Keenans cant survive in this NHL.
- Linden_4_Capt


I don't think Green wanted to be an assistant. I remember seeing a piece on him and he was grateful to his wife for moving to Utica and taking less money so he could hone his skills as a head coach instead of taking some offers to be an assistant
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 21 @ 4:52 PM ET
Not sure if this has already been shared but an interesting article from PITB.

http://www.vancourier.com...than-the-sedins-1.2136715

Prust, Dorsett and Cracknell are ranked 1, 2 and 4 in even strength ice-time when down by a goal.

The Canucks are 0-10-3 when trailing after 1 period and 0-13-1 when trailing by 2 periods.

Who needs Lowe when, you have a perfect formula for losing already.

- belcherbd


Doesn't surprise me. I often find when watching the game that I actually start to notice that I haven't seen Horvat or McCann for a while and that its Cracknell, Prust and Doresett out there instead
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Dec 21 @ 4:56 PM ET
Past season fave players:
Bert
Lu
Kesler
Schneider
Burrows
Bo

this year is tougher.
i'm going with Biega
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 21 @ 4:58 PM ET
I've noticed too that WD seems to play the 4th line after a goal (which with our PK is usually a PP goal by the other team).
I just assumed he wanted an energy shift following a goal against, and that the 4th line does not get any special teams action.

- dbot


Sure and I could see him playing them the shift following a goal for energy but that line consistently getting more shifts when down a goal than more offensively gifted players is pretty questionable IMO.

WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 21 @ 4:58 PM ET
Not sure if this has already been shared but an interesting article from PITB.

http://www.vancourier.com...than-the-sedins-1.2136715

Prust, Dorsett and Cracknell are ranked 1, 2 and 4 in even strength ice-time when down by a goal.

The Canucks are 0-10-3 when trailing after 1 period and 0-13-1 when trailing by 2 periods.

Who needs Lowe when, you have a perfect formula for losing already.

- belcherbd


I do find it interesting though the deployment of players when the Canucks are in the lead (not a large sample size relative to how often they are behind, but still).
Hutton and Bae play the least in 1 and 2 goal leads respectively. I get playing to win, but the usage of players on the charts is really astounding the more you look at it...
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 21 @ 5:02 PM ET
Doesn't surprise me. I often find when watching the game that I actually start to notice that I haven't seen Horvat or McCann for a while and that its Cracknell, Prust and Doresett out there instead
- WhiteLie


Again, while I would disagree with it if the 4th was getting more than the kids, I could still understand it.

But them getting more minutes than Vrbata, Burrows, Hansen, Higgins, etc when the team needs to score a goal, is just crazy.
WhiteLie
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Dec 21 @ 5:03 PM ET
Sure and I could see him playing them the shift following a goal for energy but that line consistently getting more shifts when down a goal than more offensively gifted players is pretty questionable IMO.
- belcherbd


Not to mention out there at the end of periods constantly. You know, that time right before the Sedins have 20 minutes or a couple days to catch their breath. I think that 4th line is fairly solid in their play, but frustrating to use them in key moments or when you need offense
WhiteLie
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Dec 21 @ 5:04 PM ET
Again, while I would disagree with it if the 4th was getting more than the kids, I could still understand it.

But them getting more minutes than Vrbata, Burrows, Hansen, Higgins, etc when the team needs to score a goal, is just crazy.

- belcherbd


Totally agree
stevekariya
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Gaud's Plan, BC
Joined: 09.19.2014

Dec 21 @ 5:14 PM ET
I do find it interesting though the deployment of players when the Canucks are in the lead (not a large sample size relative to how often they are behind, but still).
Hutton and Bae play the least in 1 and 2 goal leads respectively. I get playing to win, but the usage of players on the charts is really astounding the more you look at it...

- WhiteLie

Is it a defensive zone starts thing? I notice that when Dorsett et al. are on the ice to take draws it seems to always be in the defensive zone. Sheltering the young players still, perhaps.

And with the D in its current state there are a lot of defensive zone starts, especially when the other team is already ahead (i.e. playing better than us )
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 21 @ 5:23 PM ET
Very hard to support Tank Nation when you lose a game and jump up 4 spots in the standings and jump into a playoff spot.

This league is starting to see the results , half empty buildings are becoming more of a regular event, even in Vancouver the scalpers are going through hard times . The product is beginning to suck swamp balls

Desjardains should be ashamed for trying to play kitty bar the door hockey in 3 on 3 . Good lesson to teach your young players. Lose like a man.
WhiteLie
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Dec 21 @ 5:23 PM ET
Is it a defensive zone starts thing? I notice that when Dorsett et al. are on the ice to take draws it seems to always be in the defensive zone. Sheltering the young players still, perhaps.

And with the D in its current state there are a lot of defensive zone starts, especially when the other team is already ahead (i.e. playing better than us )

- stevekariya


No its icetime per available icetime related to the score. So of all the minutes that the Canucks were down 1 goal Prust was on the ice 28.5% of the time, leading the team

EDIT: also relative to the player's availability as well, Prust was injured for a while
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Dec 21 @ 5:28 PM ET

What are peoples thoughts on bringing in Marc Crawford if they shake up the coaching. I think it will be the perfect fit once we win the Mathews sweep stakes
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 21 @ 5:39 PM ET
What are peoples thoughts on bringing in Marc Crawford if they shake up the coaching. I think it will be the perfect fit once we win the Mathews sweep stakes
- mauryballstein

A coach that has been passed over for a number of years when a lot of jobs were available.

That would be on the same list of wanting Pierre McGuire as the GM
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 21 @ 5:47 PM ET
A coach that has been passed over for a number of years when a lot of jobs were available.

That would be on the same list of wanting Pierre McGuire as the GM

- VANTEL

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 21 @ 5:51 PM ET
wasnt tonya harding the 1 who got hurt? Think it was nancy kerrigan who did the deed.
but that was so long ago and memory is fading

edit....no I just checked at work.... I got it backwards.... Lord was correct the 1st time

- SMBDragon

No religion please.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Dec 21 @ 6:04 PM ET
haha was joking.. but mathews will be a canuck come june
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 21 @ 6:16 PM ET
haha was joking.. but mathews will be a canuck come june
- mauryballstein


The team has too much talent to get in the top 3, but not enough to make the playoff's or compete.

Benning needs to sell
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 21 @ 6:28 PM ET
The team has too much talent to get in the top 3, but not enough to make the playoff's or compete.

Benning needs to sell

- Codes1087

Is winning the lottery as easy as winning Presidents Trophies? cause I'd trade one.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Dec 21 @ 7:21 PM ET
Is it a defensive zone starts thing? I notice that when Dorsett et al. are on the ice to take draws it seems to always be in the defensive zone. Sheltering the young players still, perhaps.

And with the D in its current state there are a lot of defensive zone starts, especially when the other team is already ahead (i.e. playing better than us )

- stevekariya


Personally, i think our inability to win any face-offs is one of, if not this team's biggest issue. Its absolutely killing our puck possession play while more importantly, basically guaranteeing that the opposing team has the opportunity to get atleast 1-2 shots off per d-zone draw.

LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 21 @ 7:35 PM ET
+7C and heavy rain in Trauna....its just like I never left home


Regarding faceoffs, Bo is just having the sophomore curse and McCann will get better with man-strength and experience.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 21 @ 7:51 PM ET
+7C and heavy rain in Trauna....its just like I never left home


Regarding faceoffs, Bo is just having the sophomore curse and McCann will get better with man-strength and experience.

- LeftCoaster

Bo Sophmore Curse
Higgins No Talent Curse
Edler Dumbass Curse
Hamhuis Old Mans Curse
Subban Migets Curse


Seems like a lot of bad mojo
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