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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 2:20 PM ET
konecny
- Crimsoninja


He's a RW
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 20 @ 2:21 PM ET
@tsnjamesduthie

Canada's best player easily in the two pre-tourney games thus far: Ottawa 67 Travis Konecny.

- Jsaquella



He's so good he'll play center for us
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 20 @ 2:23 PM ET
Thing about Connectknees is he's ALWAYS noticeable. He was noticeable like this in training camp among men too. It's a rare trait. I remember them playing the Devils and there was what could be a star player in Zacha, and he was Mr. Invisible. Young kids can often be like that: hard to notice and inconsistent shift to shift. Konecny never fails to take control of a shift.

Jsaq is right I think, he's very reminiscent of G in ways. Amazing passer, great hands, great shot, and feisty and tenacious as all hell. But I reiterate: everyone who watches him, fan of whatever country or team, watches him in action and get their eyeballs glued to him. That's special.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 20 @ 2:25 PM ET
He's a RW
- Just5

and?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 20 @ 2:25 PM ET
So the quantity of data shouldn't impact how many games is a sufficient sample size to make a conclusion?
- Nucker101


You tell me, you decided that the sample size wasn't big enough to look at his GA60 stat. Certainly there are more shots attempted per game then there are goals. We're still talking about a player who is in his rookie season. Certainly there is a possibility that the player can get better.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 20 @ 2:27 PM ET
49% CF is very poor when he gets 59% OZ starts.
- Feanor


Maybe, maybe not. Have to look at his total shifts versus shifts that are zone starts to see just how representative the zone start data is of his total ES icetime. Lot's of factors are involved in a player CF%.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 20 @ 2:39 PM ET
Well my boy and I had a blast despite the L. I wish they would play first periods like they play third periods. Was great to see them come back in the third and get a point.

Some comments: Umberger should be Vinnyed. He is toast out there. He can't seem to do much other than chip the puck along and take bad penalties. I realize we need guys to chop it along but for his contract he needs to do more. He also doesn't look like he enjoys the game. He looks pained all the time. Send him to the A and bring up Cousins.

Simmer is a beast. Great seeing him stick up for Jake. Duby should have been tossed for that crap.

Jake is fast as hell. You don't realize how fast dide can skate until you see him at ice level. He was plugging well last night.

Ghost got some ohhs and ahhs with a nice spin o rama at one point.

Was cool to see 3 on 3 OT, and even the SO. Never been at a game for that before. SO still sucks.

All in all a great time though. Flyers will get on in Cbus one of these days. Lost 7 straight there since 2008. I've been to losses in 2008, 2009, 2014, 2015 No wonder it feels like I have not seen a W live in a while.

All in all a great time. My boy really got into the game: 'Dad can we yell Let's go Flyers?' Yeah son we sure can. 'OK you go first Dad.' LETS GO FLYERS!

- Lexington Flyer


Ha!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 20 @ 2:45 PM ET
Konecny really has me excited
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 20 @ 2:46 PM ET
Konecny really has me excited
- Giroux_Is_God

He's a RW
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 20 @ 2:47 PM ET
He's a RW
- Crimsoninja


And?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 20 @ 2:50 PM ET
And?
- wolfhounds

lol ty
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 20 @ 3:08 PM ET
lol ty
- Crimsoninja


anytime
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
He's so good he'll play center for us
- Just5

Coots to LW.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 20 @ 3:14 PM ET
will be an abomination if they dont rush him to the team by next season
- Crimsoninja


Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 20 @ 3:16 PM ET

- ob18

ghost would have 3 more years in the ahl if it were up to you
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 20 @ 3:21 PM ET
ghost would have 3 more years in the ahl if it were up to you
- Crimsoninja

I'd like to put Provorov through a rigorous Billy Madison type situation before he can even go to the AHL.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 20 @ 3:22 PM ET
ghost would have 3 more years in the ahl if it were up to you
- Crimsoninja


No, I said he should start this season in the AHL, not that he'd stay there long.

If the player earns it great if not spending time in the AHL or even back in juniors isn't always a bad thing to happen.
DaveofYork
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: york, PA
Joined: 10.27.2014

Dec 20 @ 3:44 PM ET
Coots to LW.
- hereticpride


it will kill his production
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 20 @ 5:05 PM ET
Man. Watched Jagr's goal that puts him fourth all-time

He just keeps going and going and going. His speed and endurance are below the bar, but his strength and puck control are still well above average and his hockey sense and passing are still world-class

What a player. If you know that he wants to play and understand that his shifts are going to be really short, you are going to get production. I honestly think he will be able to play the half-wall on the PP for years to come...I think Chelios was still playing in the minors at 48. Jagr's won't go to the minors, but I don't know that he can't play a limited offensive role in the NHL at that age
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Dec 20 @ 5:15 PM ET
Simmonds beat Gudas to the punch.
- SuperSchennBros


Id be more afraid of L schenn then gudas. Gudas is just a hitter.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 20 @ 5:28 PM ET
Congrats to Sanheim and Koneckny ....both have made the Canadian Junior team.
Croatian
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.16.2015

Dec 20 @ 6:09 PM ET
Probably not. When a guy sucks possession-wise despite favourable minutes for 20+ games then he's probably not that good.
- Nucker101


Yet, when I posted his GA60 on the other thread, you made the comment that it was too small of a sample size before deleting it. While Manning's possession numbers are not great for his usage and deployment, they're also not awful, at 49.10 at ES. Whatever metric we want to use, I view Manning as a 6/7 defenseman, and with all the other defenseman healthy, he should be at the bottom of the depth chart. I think he is a serviceable depth defenseman.

I agree I think Manning is a good fit at 6/7 with his low salary , giving a chance for our prospects to play and develop. I think he's better than we had in the past over the Hal Gill's ,Oskar Bartulis,Kent Huskins,Kurtis Foster, Bruno Gervais, Matt Walker, Andreas Lilja,Pavel Kubina. Hedy's just buying time till Hagg, Alt , Morin show there
ready . Even Manning had good numbers in the Ahl and having tough time putting up points here. Although he had a nice breakaway pass to Giroux against Van the other night and G hit crossbar . Not everyone can step in and contribute like Ghost . hopefully Sanheim and Provorov can be here soon .
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 20 @ 6:41 PM ET
You tell me, you decided that the sample size wasn't big enough to look at his GA60 stat. Certainly there are more shots attempted per game then there are goals. We're still talking about a player who is in his rookie season. Certainly there is a possibility that the player can get better.
- MJL

Thus you need more games for GA/60 to be a sufficient enough sample size compared to shot attempts.

The goalie's save percentage when he's been on the ice is simple unsustainable.

What does it say that he's been lucky yet still looked like a depth dman at best?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 20 @ 7:25 PM ET
Thus you need more games for GA/60 to be a sufficient enough sample size compared to shot attempts.

The goalie's save percentage when he's been on the ice is simple unsustainable.

What does it say that he's been lucky yet still looked like a depth dman at best?

- Nucker101


As with any stat it requires analysis. Certainly you can apply a bias and discount a stat, if it doesn't fit a narrative. I think it simply shows that while Manning is not a player that will carry play, he can certainly hold his own, and not be a liability out there. Can also judge all defenseman by the same standard. I prefer to take into account that Manning is a limited player to begin with, is a rookie, and is a 6/7 caliber NHL defenseman. When looked at from that perspective, I'm comfortable with Manning as a depth defenseman. He's also inexpensive on the cap. While he certainly should not be immune from objective criticism, as an example, I thought he had a pretty poor game, last time he played, he also doesn't deserve a lot of the vitriol he receives.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Dec 20 @ 7:28 PM ET
Need a Jethro tull version of away in the manager

Dunno.
Sometimes, things pop up in my head and I have to share.
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