No you just said that the lack of secondary scoring is attributable to the sedins getting the best minutes/opportunity. You also said the team is built around the sedins' style of play.

Other than that, nope nothing to do with the sedins.

The twins are top 5 and top 10 in scoring yet some would have them play in less offensive situations.

Unless you have ulterior motives (as bloated rightly pointed out), how can 19 mins and 1st unit pp be too much?

Is this bizarro world?
- RealityChecker

Because in the Torts year they blew a tire before March. They are older now and can't play that for an entire season. ESP not if your looking to make playoffs(which he claims they are). Also with the constantly changing lines, nobody builds the proper chemistry to be able to score regularly.

I think when an organization says 'we are going to play our youth' it's secret code for 'we are going to struggle this season to position ourselves better in the draft'.

I think it's the best move for this franchise in the long run. I don't know why all the long faces. I say embrace the suckage. This franchise had its chance and blew it. Now we wait for the cycle and eventually our team will be able to compete again.
- bloatedmosquito

on both points.

Because in the Torts year they blew a tire before March. They are older now and can't play that for an entire season. ESP not if your looking to make playoffs(which he claims they are). Also with the constantly changing lines, nobody builds the proper chemistry to be able to score regularly.
- Retinalz

In the torts year, they were regularly playing 22+ mins a game. I think 19 mins a game is good.

Now that does not mean that I like a lot of what wd is doing line wise and line usage. Aside from the sedins, I think it's a dog's breakfast in personnel and their deployment.

I see wd as a filler coach. He will be at the helm until it hits rock bottom. Once they are on the upswing, a new coach will be needed. Is that next season or the nxt? Hmm, not sure.

It's obviously not a quick fix so I'm not very interested in quick fix answers (not that you are advocating them).

Totally this.

EMBRACE THE SUCK!
- RealityChecker

But for me there is a caveat. The guys driving this bus can’t (frank) around and take their time doing it. I like the bandaid analogy. Do it quick. Get the pain over with fast.

Please God, I don't want to see 7 years of this. Watching a winner is much more fun than watching a loser.

But for me there is a caveat. The guys driving this bus can’t (frank) around and take their time doing it. I like the bandaid analogy. Do it quick. Get the pain over with fast.

Please God, I don't want to see 7 years of this. Watching a winner is much more fun than watching a loser.
- bloatedmosquito

Yeah, yeah. Pipe down Nucker.

Everyone here has their own version of a perfect rebuild. We just gotta find some billionaires to buy teams and let us get to work.

Seriously though, the team has 3 rookies and baertschi playing regularly. Two 19 year olds in the lineup. That's pretty significant. I would have been ecstatic with that if you told me that in the summer. That to me is pretty good start to a total rebuild.

I just don't think it's realistic to expect 5-7 rookies. If you bring in shink and Grenier that's almost half the team but that may actually happen if there are some trades later in the year. Seems like a pretty quick infusion of youth. The work is getting started but make no mistake, it has started. The bandaid is coming off.

Dont forget monahan and gaudreau, barkov huberdeau i believe Ryan Strome also plays 1st line.
- SRam19

Strome started there, but was demoted to the ahl as a kick in the ass as he wasn't competing as hard as he should have, he's back on the third line now and playing much better

In the torts year, they were regularly playing 22+ mins a game. I think 19 mins a game is good.

Now that does not mean that I like a lot of what wd is doing line wise and line usage. Aside from the sedins, I think it's a dog's breakfast in personnel and their deployment.

I see wd as a filler coach. He will be at the helm until it hits rock bottom. Once they are on the upswing, a new coach will be needed. Is that next season or the nxt? Hmm, not sure.

It's obviously not a quick fix so I'm not very interested in quick fix answers (not that you are advocating them).
- RealityChecker

What about Benning? Is he a filler gm as well?

What about Benning? Is he a filler gm as well?
- CubanBuffet

Yeah, yeah. Pipe down Nucker.

Everyone here has their own version of a perfect rebuild. We just gotta find some billionaires to buy teams and let us get to work.

Seriously though, the team has 3 rookies and baertschi playing regularly. Two 19 year olds in the lineup. That's pretty significant. I would have been ecstatic with that if you told me that in the summer. That to me is pretty good start to a total rebuild.

I just don't think it's realistic to expect 5-7 rookies. If you bring in shink and Grenier that's almost half the team but that may actually happen if there are some trades later in the year. Seems like a pretty quick infusion of youth. The work is getting started but make no mistake, it has started. The bandaid is coming off.
- RealityChecker

Nucker. He's a truthsayer damnit!

When I said ‘do it quickly’ I was referring to jettisoning the dead weight contracts and starting over.

The switch to youth is refreshing. For too long we've watched draft picks traded away. I've always thought the organization's development system has been pretty good considering the talent they had to work with. I mean, any coaching group that turns alex burrows into a NHLer has to be worth something. Now let’s see what they can do with a few quality draft picks.

Saying all that, I’ll be happy with a three or four year rebuild. Five I start getting itchy. Six plus and I go postal.

Nucker. He's a truthsayer damnit!

When I said ‘do it quickly’ I was referring to jettisoning the dead weight contracts and starting over.

The switch to youth is refreshing. For too long we've watched draft picks traded away. I've always thought the organization's development system has been pretty good considering the talent they had to work with. I mean, any coaching group that turns alex burrows into a NHLer has to be worth something. Now let’s see what they can do with a few quality draft picks.

Saying all that, I’ll be happy with a three or four year rebuild. Five I start getting itchy. Six plus and I go postal.
- bloatedmosquito

Problem with a 3 to 4 year rebuild is that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Somewhere along the line you have to try and take the next step or else you become like Colorado, Edmonton, Calgary, Arizona: Not quite there, and by the time they get there they'll have to do another rebuild.

Klingberg went in the 5th round in 2010.

We didn't have a pick for the first 3 rounds.

the chili peppers were a bit before grunge and not really in the genre (more funk/rock - heavy bass line) but totally agree.

i agree with your sentiment though that STP weren't at the very top level as say nirvana, pearl jam, sound garden.
- RealityChecker

I can't say I see any grunge in the Chilli Peppers with their bouncy base and choppy singing style... grunge has a more grinding style of guitar.

At times, with the pp, I think the Sedins are over played. Can't remember which game, but I think there was a double minor and the Sedins were out there for about 3 of the 4 minutes. I can understand if the 2nd unit is really sucking but at the time I thought McCann was playing well enough to get some pp time, and the Sedins didn't look very fresh.

I have been frustrated at other times and the next thing you know, they score. Riding your best players makes sense, and you ride them when they aren't hot to get them going. But it has to be similar to Miller, at times rest is needed and you have to see what others can do.

The lines WD rolls with can be frustrating. But I am not sure if other coaches would deploy players differently.
- hillbillydeluxe

Pretty much what I have been saying all season. People think that all the other coaches think like they do. That's a laugh... they play their best players and the Canucks are short on production players. It's tiresome reading sometimes...

Good night for the tank nation gang tonight. Lots of OT games

The big difference is the sheer number of rookies that we have. I do not belive that they are being held back by the twins. Look at hutton, hes a rookie playing well and getting decent ice time, WD must be ruining him right? No is just that he had been consistent so he had earned his ice.
If Sutter was not injured we would be winning a little more and the sky would not be falling.
- Pres.cup

Yep. We are losing because the kids who are struggling are not struggling for an additional 3 or 4 more minutes a night.

I can't say I see any grunge in the Chilli Peppers with their bouncy base and choppy singing style... grunge has a more grinding style of guitar.
- boonerbuck

Same era. But definitely different style.

Nirvana, pearl jam, sound garden were top 3 grunge bands. Alice in chains and stone temple pilots were in the group behind.

Good night for the tank nation gang tonight. Lots of OT games
- VANTEL

Auston Matthews here we come.

#loseformatthews

Only 2 teams have fewer regulation wins than the Canucks, Toronto and Carolina.

Let's win a (frank)ing lottery.

Patience takes too long...

WD is always juggling the lines. Just want to see McCann and Vrbata get to play a bit together. or at least put McCann on the 2nd unit pp if he is stuck on the 4th line with Prust and Dorsett.

I am all for Grenier and Gaunce gettng call ups. If we are losing, can't see how veterans are earning ice time. Can't be loyal to veterans if they aren't getting the job done.

It is going to be a long year.
- hillbillydeluxe

Loyal? The Sedins and Hansen are the only ones getting it done. I really don't think it's about loyalty.

Auston Matthews here we come.

#loseformatthews
- Scooby_Doo

We are in the ballpark

The Sedins are not the problem, I think WD uses them a bit too much, but the way they play shouldn't impact Vrbata, Horvat, McCann, or anyone else.

I hate to say that I'm disappointed with the coaching this season. Last night the Sedins played they're usual unreal offense, not a fan of them defending 5v5, but they're better on the pk... .

But watching the other lines play was brutal, watching Vrbatas line all 3 forwards where in a straight line across, Vrbata shoots, rebound is kicked out and all 3 forwards are caught on the breakout. It happens on every style of play,shouldn't someone be trailing for the rebound. Or positioned for something that pops out in scrambled play.

Maybe I'm wrong, but lines 2 thru 4 aren't deserving and need to play with better structure and sense.
- Makita

I cant bring myself to this conclusion because we dont have enough talent to work with and the injuries are really taking a toll.

I cant bring myself to this conclusion because we dont have enough talent to work with and the injuries are really taking a toll.
- boonerbuck

We are nearly a third of the way through the season and JB has the perfect excuse to get a high draft pick. NTCs and expiring contracts, JB sits back with little heat and gets his dream draft pick

the talent isn't there. the vast majority of us saw this team as (at best) a bubble team. the reason for this is that the (developed) talent just isn't there. there is youth and there is long in the tooth.

there really isn't a lot of the middle i.e. players hitting or playing in their prime.

simply put, the team doesn't have the horses. we all see this.

you can tinker with the lineup or bring in (through trade) some of the missing "in their prime" talent but i don't think it makes this team much more than a "better" bubble team.

we all know the real recipe is to draft and develop. we all know that it requires patience. we all know that mediocrity (or a certain level of suckage) will be the norm for the next couple of seasons. we all hate it but most of us want to take our medicine.

the moves that need to be made are already in progress. you can't go completely young overnight. the team has 3 rookies (and 4 if you want to include baertschi). that is over 25% of the lineup playing their first full year in the league.

as the season continues, more vets will be shipped out. that process doesn't have to be done overnight.
- RealityChecker

Thats it for sure. Time is the price to pay n trading out vets for picks n prospects when the opportunities arise. The pain is real n its gonna be around awhile yet. Its all fine n necessary medicine n part if the process.

Hamonic would go a long ways on our rebuild.
The assets would be steep but a 25yr old highly proven D man
is worth the gamble.
We r between a rock n hard place with injuries without the depth
to help.
The severe lack of 25-27yr olds is the hardest task most teams face.
Our aging vets need a few to be moved on n the return won't help immediately.
Vrbata will be the key asset moved n i see D being a priority.
Hamhuis i see us getting picks/prospects.
Our young kids will be the future in 2-3yrs time our forwards should be fine.

We will pay the price of 2-3yrs like it or not in up to JB to shape the future.
I believe he will exercise good judgement n changes will come near the
TDL & in the offseason. 2 successful key deals r needed IMO

One hope is we continue our inconsistent play n a team in the playoff
hunt has a goalie go down freeing Miller to be moved.
Nothing against Miller or excited over what is left for us but it could be
the situation that helps us most going forward.

A lot of hope n luck i present but i like this year to be a building year n
Forget the playoff aspirations.

We are nearly a third of the way through the season and JB has the perfect excuse to get a high draft pick. NTCs and expiring contracts, JB sits back with little heat and gets his dream draft pick
- VANTEL

I'm on board with this. It's what we've secretly been hoping for now for 3 seasons while we cheer for our team.