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Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Dec 4 @ 4:05 PM ET
I want to chime in on Scott Weiland's passing, as I really enjoyed reading about all your first concerts in yesterday's blog.

I have been braced for yesterday's news ever since I DJed Weiland's solo show at the Commodore back in 2009. He was a ghost of a human being then—barely there. The show made me sadder than probably any other concert I've seen.

Reading through the tributes yesterday and today, I remembered that I also saw a much more vibrant Weiland front Velvet Revolver at the Coliseum in...2005, I believe.

That night, he impressed me, prowling the stage with the confidence of a true frontman and balancing content from the excellent first VR album with STP and GNR material.

That high point didn't last long, but I'm glad I got a chance to see him at his best.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:05 PM ET
I don't think it is the Sedin's fault, but it is a strange dynamic when the top line plays one way and the rest of the team has to play another, because they are not the Sedins, and you don't want them to play that way.

The Sedins dump the puck in and go get it, and they position themselves and use their sticks to win the battle, i think we have guys that should be more physical, yet they aren't and lose too many puck battles.

I can't complain about Horvat or McCann, they are young and still learning, But some of the other guys, I hear the gripes towards Sven and I don't think he is playing any worse than Higgins or Burrows at times. Prust is okay, but I'd rather see Gaunce or Grenier get the opportunity.

Have we seen a Burrows- McCann- Vrbata line yet? We really miss Sutter.

- hillbillydeluxe

the talent isn't there. the vast majority of us saw this team as (at best) a bubble team. the reason for this is that the (developed) talent just isn't there. there is youth and there is long in the tooth.

there really isn't a lot of the middle i.e. players hitting or playing in their prime.

simply put, the team doesn't have the horses. we all see this.

you can tinker with the lineup or bring in (through trade) some of the missing "in their prime" talent but i don't think it makes this team much more than a "better" bubble team.

we all know the real recipe is to draft and develop. we all know that it requires patience. we all know that mediocrity (or a certain level of suckage) will be the norm for the next couple of seasons. we all hate it but most of us want to take our medicine.

the moves that need to be made are already in progress. you can't go completely young overnight. the team has 3 rookies (and 4 if you want to include baertschi). that is over 25% of the lineup playing their first full year in the league.

as the season continues, more vets will be shipped out. that process doesn't have to be done overnight.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Dec 4 @ 4:06 PM ET
Florida Marlins hired Barry Bonds as a hitting coach.




Reports of three cargo ships of steroids were just seen leaving Cuba

- VANTEL



Marlins hold batting practice next year at an abandoned warehouse on a pier ....set record next year for most 40 HR guys with 9
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 4 @ 4:06 PM ET
I thought Miller played pretty average, myself. But I agree there is nothing more the twins could be doing. In fact, they are overachieving similar to early in the Torts season(aka the Dark ages), which worries me as they might run out of steam. I don't think this is a "we need to shake things up" I think this is a we need to sell high now and the TDL in order to bring in some new faces. Keep the Twins and edler/tanev for role models, everything else is expendable (not the kids obviously).
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Dec 4 @ 4:07 PM ET
BEHIND THE BACK PASS

Are you serious???????

- classic321


When the sedins do it it's called sedinary....when anyone else does it ...yawn ...
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:10 PM ET
You should try reading it again and this time read it with an open mind.

I didn't say one thing bad about them infact I said they are very good at what they do.

The point I was making is that the secondary scoring is like being the back up goalie to Richard Brodeur . If you get one in every twenty start chances are you won't be that good.

It works very well for Broduer but not so much for his many back ups that came and went.

- VANTEL

the difference is that the sedins don't prevent other players from stepping up as a back up goalie can't do from the bench.

are you really saying that the wd plays his 1st line/1st unit pp too much?

you really think that an/the issue is that the sedins are hogging the best/most minutes?
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Dec 4 @ 4:11 PM ET
When the sedins do it it's called sedinary....when anyone else does it ...yawn ...
- Redmile247



So Now you are comparing nichushkin to the sedins

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 4 @ 4:12 PM ET
Florida Marlins hired Barry Bonds as a hitting coach.




Reports of three cargo ships of steroids were just seen leaving Cuba

- VANTEL


Bonds just became the Tony Montana of steroids down in south beach "first you take the steroids, then you get the power"
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 4 @ 4:14 PM ET
the difference is that the sedins don't prevent other players from stepping up as a back up goalie can't do from the bench.

are you really saying that the wd plays his 1st line/1st unit pp too much?

you really think that an/the issue is that the sedins are hogging the best/most minutes?

- RealityChecker


I agree, there is nobody else who has even close to shown that they deserve anything like 1st line pp or 1st line minutes up front.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:14 PM ET
more cowbell
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:19 PM ET
I agree, there is nobody else who has even close to shown that they deserve anything like 1st line pp or 1st line minutes up front.
- neem55

the problem is that horvat, mccan, hutton, boesser, demko aren't 25 years old.

2-4 of those guys (let's pray that all) will develop into impact players. that is when the team will hope to truly contend again.

that is what our player personnel decisions should be based on: a 3-5 year plan.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 4 @ 4:19 PM ET
I want to chime in on Scott Weiland's passing, as I really enjoyed reading about all your first concerts in yesterday's blog.

I have been braced for yesterday's news ever since I DJed Weiland's solo show at the Commodore back in 2009. He was a ghost of a human being then—barely there. The show made me sadder than probably any other concert I've seen.

Reading through the tributes yesterday and today, I remembered that I also saw a much more vibrant Weiland front Velvet Revolver at the Coliseum in...2005, I believe.

That night, he impressed me, prowling the stage with the confidence of a true frontman and balancing content from the excellent first VR album with STP and GNR material.

That high point didn't last long, but I'm glad I got a chance to see him at his best.

- Carol Schram

Thanks for this Carol. Being a huge music guy I did have a chance to see Velvet Revolver back in the mid 2000's as I was never able to see STP live.

STP sold more than 40 million records and was a major part of the mid 90's rock movement that was able to stay alive in the wake of the grunge movement. Regardless of what people thought of Weiland and the drug abuse his contribution to music was massive...and will be sorely missed.

RIP
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:20 PM ET
the difference is that the sedins don't prevent other players from stepping up as a back up goalie can't do from the bench.

are you really saying that the wd plays his 1st line/1st unit pp too much?

you really think that an/the issue is that the sedins are hogging the best/most minutes?

- RealityChecker

WD came in here touted as a North to South style coach and it would be a conflict with the Sedins style . Who won that battle.

Look man you are a Canuck fan that sees no wrong with anything they do. Last night they gave up at least 10 odd man chances. I have no chance of convincing a fan like yourself that Sedins don't sh1t golden eggs when they take a dump.

They are very good offensive players, but this whole offense runs through their style. Good for them but for the others they get dealt the scraps
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 4 @ 4:22 PM ET
Bonds just became the Tony Montana of steroids down in south beach "first you take the steroids, then you get the power"
- neem55

chay 'allo to ma lil' fren...
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:24 PM ET
the talent isn't there. the vast majority of us saw this team as (at best) a bubble team. the reason for this is that the (developed) talent just isn't there. there is youth and there is long in the tooth.

there really isn't a lot of the middle i.e. players hitting or playing in their prime.

simply put, the team doesn't have the horses. we all see this.

you can tinker with the lineup or bring in (through trade) some of the missing "in their prime" talent but i don't think it makes this team much more than a "better" bubble team.

we all know the real recipe is to draft and develop. we all know that it requires patience. we all know that mediocrity (or a certain level of suckage) will be the norm for the next couple of seasons. we all hate it but most of us want to take our medicine.

the moves that need to be made are already in progress. you can't go completely young overnight. the team has 3 rookies (and 4 if you want to include baertschi). that is over 25% of the lineup playing their first full year in the league.

as the season continues, more vets will be shipped out. that process doesn't have to be done overnight.

- RealityChecker

Amen.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:26 PM ET
WD came in here touted as a North to South style coach and it would be a conflict with the Sedins style . Who won that battle.

Look man you are a Canuck fan that sees no wrong with anything they do. Last night they gave up at least 10 odd man chances. I have no chance of convincing a fan like yourself that Sedins don't sh1t golden eggs when they take a dump.

They are very good offensive players, but this whole offense runs through their style. Good for them but for the others they get dealt the scraps

- VANTEL

you really like to make up fantasy to support your idiotic viewpoints don't you?

i'm no rose coloured canuck fan, but it's nice you try to throw that out there to invalidate my opinion that you are a dolt.

this team is not very good. not good enough to get into the playoffs and if they do happen to get into the playoffs (probably by other teams' misfortunes rather than their own stellar play), they will get destroyed in a 7 game series.

however, this does not speak to your opinion. i asked you if you are saying that a major reason that the team is playing badly is a result of the sedins' over usage (either in minutes or in deployment). you chose to ignore that. rightfully so, b/c you know that would be a stupid sentiment.

but that's never stopped you before, so please continue to believe that the sedins are what's wrong with this team.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:28 PM ET
you really like to make up fantasy to support your idiotic viewpoints don't you?

i'm no rose coloured canuck fan, but it's nice you try to throw that out there to invalidate my opinion that you are a dolt.

this team is not very good. not good enough to get into the playoffs and if they do happen to get into the playoffs (probably by other teams' misfortunes rather than their own stellar play), they will get destroyed in a 7 game series.

however, this does not speak to your opinion. i asked you if you are saying that a major reason that the team is playing badly is a result of the sedins' over usage (either in minutes or in deployment). you chose to ignore that. rightfully so, b/c you know that would be a stupid sentiment.

but that's never stopped you before, so please continue to believe that the sedins are what's wrong with this team.

- RealityChecker

Idiot Man you are a dumbass
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 4 @ 4:28 PM ET
chay 'allo to ma lil' fren...
- LordHumungous

Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Dec 4 @ 4:29 PM ET
So Now you are comparing nichushkin to the sedins


- classic321


No

But if you think what nichushkin did last night was because of his linemates and nothing to do with him your blind or crazy ...does it help him sure ...but he is no Alex burrows/yannick Hansen/anson carter
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:31 PM ET
Thanks for this Carol. Being a huge music guy I did have a chance to see Velvet Revolver back in the mid 2000's as I was never able to see STP live.

STP sold more than 40 million records and was a major part of the mid 90's rock movement that was able to stay alive in the wake of the grunge movement. Regardless of what people thought of Weiland and the drug abuse his contribution to music was massive...and will be sorely missed.

RIP

- LordHumungous



great band and great front man. i was a big fan (coming out of high school - the grunge era was in my wheelhouse). some truly great music/bands that came out at that time and STP was one of the best.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:32 PM ET
Idiot Man you are a dumbass
- VANTEL

Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Dec 4 @ 4:44 PM ET


great band and great front man. i was a big fan (coming out of high school - the grunge era was in my wheelhouse). some truly great music/bands that came out at that time and STP was one of the best.

- RealityChecker


STP had a couple great songs, but that was it for me. They werent near the level of Nirvana, Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam, and a few others.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:50 PM ET
STP had a couple great songs, but that was it for me. They werent near the level of Nirvana, chilli Peppers and a few others.
- Scooby_Doo

the chili peppers were a bit before grunge and not really in the genre (more funk/rock - heavy bass line) but totally agree.

i agree with your sentiment though that STP weren't at the very top level as say nirvana, pearl jam, sound garden.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:51 PM ET
the problem is that horvat, mccan, hutton, boesser, demko aren't 25 years old.

2-4 of those guys (let's pray that all) will develop into impact players. that is when the team will hope to truly contend again.

that is what our player personnel decisions should be based on: a 3-5 year plan.

- RealityChecker

Larkin Tereasenko Schwartz Nutusckin aren't 25 they get first line minutes
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Dec 4 @ 5:06 PM ET
Idiot Man you are a dumbass
- VANTEL

Actually you both have valid points. The real problem is WD. Giving prust-crack-dors offensive zone starts when we are down by 1 in in games has become a serious issue. Roll 4 lines, but do it properly. He doesn't seem to realize that this is the NHL not Juniors or the AHL. He gets burned by coaches all the time.
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