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- mrpaulish

So we may see Mashinter and Bickell in the lineup.

Keep the EverClear handy. Tracy is gonna look like Gisele after seeing that.

So we may see Mashinter and Bickell in the lineup.

Keep the EverClear handy. Tracy is gonna look like Gisele after seeing that.
- tredbrta

Hahahahahahahah

Yeah not completely sold on Skinner but if we can get JVR to come play for us i think he'll be locked in and jacked up to play for a Cup contender AND with his brother. If we could somehow make that happen, i think we'd be REALLY dangerous at forward with JVR-Toews-Hossa as a new top line.

So if we're talking Bickell+TT its just a question of are the Leafs really that stupid? Maybe....ya never know with them.
- SimpleJack

I just watched the Leafs last week and JVR is exactly what the top line needs. A guy that has good puck skills, can play the puck protect cycle game, and(most importantly) he goes and parks his butt in the blue paint. I thought he was working hard in that game too. If StanBo can put together a package for JVR that includes Bickell going the other way, that's a home run IMO

I just watched the Leafs last week and JVR is exactly what the top line needs. A guy that has good puck skills, can play the puck protect cycle game, and(most importantly) he goes and parks his butt in the blue paint. I thought he was working hard in that game too. If StanBo can put together a package for JVR that includes Bickell going the other way, that's a home run IMO
- EnzoD

Going to be giving up a lot more than Bryan Bickell in a package to get JVR.

But I can tell you one left winger who is likely very,very available - Scott Hartnell. I don't know where he was last night but probably scratched after taking one of his idiotic bonehead penalties in the last minute vs Montreal which cost the Jackets the game. Torts would probably take Bickell or Rundblad for him right about now.

Going to be giving up a lot more than Bryan Bickell in a package to get JVR.

But I can tell you one left winger who is likely very,very available - Scott Hartnell. I don't know where he was last night but probably scratched after taking one of his idiotic bonehead penalties in the last minute vs Montreal which cost the Jackets the game. Torts would probably take Bickell or Rundblad for him right about now.
- RickJ

Hawks have had interest in Hartnell in the past, FWIW.

He hit the ice pretty hard in Ottawa during the 3rd period - may be hurt or sore.

(Or maybe his mommy wouldn't let him go out to play this morning).
- RickJ

Rick, as I am sure you are aware of, there are different ways to handle players, personally as a private coach I have always believed in honesty and fairness...a tough, consistent fairness. Yet with Q, he can be very forgiving and understanding to certain players (they all seem to fit a certain type), while with others he has ZERO patience (they also seem to fit a certain pattern). Personally, I disagree with this, because it BEGS players to question the motives of the coach/teacher, and this is something that leaders should try and avoid.

TT has been given a LOT of leeway from Q, but this seems to be "shrinking" and his patience for the young Fin appears to be lessening. With Dano, Q has shown ZERO patience, IMO, while Mashinter has been given nothing but understanding and encouragement. It's an inconsistent pattern that generates issues within any clubhouse. Now for Q, as a professional Head Coach, he may feel this varied approach is all part of his "pushing buttons", something that many coaches feel like is necessary to get the most out of their players...again, I disagree. These are all men, even Teravainen, and I believe that a single vision that EVERYONE must adhere to is by far the best way to generate consistency and understanding amongst the players. But, remember, I haven't won a single game as an NHL HC and Q has won a ton of them.

But to me, it is apparent that a lot is being asked of Marko Dano without a lot of understanding from the coach...and IMO, Dano appears to be the type of player that can be negatively affected by this, especially while next to him Mashinter is being treated like the Aga Khan.

Going to be giving up a lot more than Bryan Bickell in a package to get JVR.

But I can tell you one left winger who is likely very,very available - Scott Hartnell. I don't know where he was last night but probably scratched after taking one of his idiotic bonehead penalties in the last minute vs Montreal which cost the Jackets the game. Torts would probably take Bickell or Rundblad for him right about now.
- RickJ

Hartnell shouldn't cost much and he would be a NICE addition IMO. He has always possessed hands to go with all of his grit. As I mentioned on either Thursday or Friday, I was told that the Hawks have witnessed increased speed from Bickell and as such were going to bring him back up. However, trying to run a lineup with both Bickell and Mashinter in it would be a major mistake IMO. The Hawks are literally running out of "experimental games" where they are risking POINTS by trying to develop young players that either don't belong, or are out of position.

Hartnell shouldn't cost much and he would be a NICE addition IMO. He has always possessed hands to go with all of his grit. As I mentioned on either Thursday or Friday, I was told that the Hawks have witnessed increased speed from Bickell and as such were going to bring him back up. However, trying to run a lineup with both Bickell and Mashinter in it would be a major mistake IMO. The Hawks are literally running out of "experimental games" where they are risking POINTS by trying to develop young players that either don't belong, or are out of position.
- MexicoHawk

Hartnell won't cost much until you look at the term left on his contract. He also will be 34 soon.

Hartnell shouldn't cost much and he would be a NICE addition IMO. He has always possessed hands to go with all of his grit. As I mentioned on either Thursday or Friday, I was told that the Hawks have witnessed increased speed from Bickell and as such were going to bring him back up. However, trying to run a lineup with both Bickell and Mashinter in it would be a major mistake IMO. The Hawks are literally running out of "experimental games" where they are risking POINTS by trying to develop young players that either don't belong, or are out of position.
- MexicoHawk

Hartnell has 3 more years after this season at $4.75 million. I can't see Stan taking that cap hit on for a 33 year old. Even if Columbus took Bickell, Rundblad and ate 50% of Hartnell's salary I don't think it's worth it.

Going to be giving up a lot more than Bryan Bickell in a package to get JVR.

But I can tell you one left winger who is likely very,very available - Scott Hartnell. I don't know where he was last night but probably scratched after taking one of his idiotic bonehead penalties in the last minute vs Montreal which cost the Jackets the game. Torts would probably take Bickell or Rundblad for him right about now.
- RickJ

The Blue Jackets aren't going anywhere anytime soon so they might be willing to take Bickell, who is $750k cheaper annually and has two fewer years left on his contract, and some sort of sweetener. That would be a nice upgrade.

Rick, as I am sure you are aware of, there are different ways to handle players, personally as a private coach I have always believed in honesty and fairness...a tough, consistent fairness. Yet with Q, he can be very forgiving and understanding to certain players (they all seem to fit a certain type), while with others he has ZERO patience (they also seem to fit a certain pattern). Personally, I disagree with this, because it BEGS players to question the motives of the coach/teacher, and this is something that leaders should try and avoid.

TT has been given a LOT of leeway from Q, but this seems to be "shrinking" and his patience for the young Fin appears to be lessening. With Dano, Q has shown ZERO patience, IMO, while Mashinter has been given nothing but understanding and encouragement. It's an inconsistent pattern that generates issues within any clubhouse. Now for Q, as a professional Head Coach, he may feel this varied approach is all part of his "pushing buttons", something that many coaches feel like is necessary to get the most out of their players...again, I disagree. These are all men, even Teravainen, and I believe that a single vision that EVERYONE must adhere to is by far the best way to generate consistency and understanding amongst the players. But, remember, I haven't won a single game as an NHL HC and Q has won a ton of them.

But to me, it is apparent that a lot is being asked of Marko Dano without a lot of understanding from the coach...and IMO, Dano appears to be the type of player that can be negatively affected by this, especially while next to him Mashinter is being treated like the Aga Khan.
- MexicoHawk

I see your comparative but I wouldn't put so much thought into it...
Mashinter fits a role Q feels is necessary for a while...He will disappear sooner than lately.

More important is the only YOUNG player to ever be called up from Rockford while Q was the coach to play only 1 role and stay here was Bollig.

So in essence young Ice Hog forwards aren't called up to play 5-6 minutes a game and have a role on only 1 line. Young dmen the same.

Mashinter is not young, nor does he have much upside, so he is here for awhile, to serve one role just like others before him.

Q has the core players secured...They love him and what he does with a 21 yr old Dano or a pro AHL player like Mashinter has zero effect on the locker room or how the most important players view him. That's the way it is here with a 1st ballot HOF coach behind the bench who has little if anything to fear.

Hartnell won't cost much until you look at the term left on his contract. He also will be 34 soon.
- TTtime

He also hasn't been good...

Hartnell has 3 more years after this season at $4.75 million. I can't see Stan taking that cap hit on for a 33 year old. Even if Columbus took Bickell, Rundblad and ate 50% of Hartnell's salary I don't think it's worth it.
- DarthKane

Exactly...

Rick, as I am sure you are aware of, there are different ways to handle players, personally as a private coach I have always believed in honesty and fairness...a tough, consistent fairness. Yet with Q, he can be very forgiving and understanding to certain players (they all seem to fit a certain type), while with others he has ZERO patience (they also seem to fit a certain pattern). Personally, I disagree with this, because it BEGS players to question the motives of the coach/teacher, and this is something that leaders should try and avoid.

TT has been given a LOT of leeway from Q, but this seems to be "shrinking" and his patience for the young Fin appears to be lessening. With Dano, Q has shown ZERO patience, IMO, while Mashinter has been given nothing but understanding and encouragement. It's an inconsistent pattern that generates issues within any clubhouse. Now for Q, as a professional Head Coach, he may feel this varied approach is all part of his "pushing buttons", something that many coaches feel like is necessary to get the most out of their players...again, I disagree. These are all men, even Teravainen, and I believe that a single vision that EVERYONE must adhere to is by far the best way to generate consistency and understanding amongst the players. But, remember, I haven't won a single game as an NHL HC and Q has won a ton of them.

But to me, it is apparent that a lot is being asked of Marko Dano without a lot of understanding from the coach...and IMO, Dano appears to be the type of player that can be negatively affected by this, especially while next to him Mashinter is being treated like the Aga Khan.
- MexicoHawk

What we don't know is how much coaching is going on inside the room and whether Q and staff feel Dano, TT and Daley just aren't catching on fast enough for what they are being taught and is expected of them.

This much is obvious - Q has clearly given up on Rundblad like he did with Morin, Hayes, Erixon and now probably Tikhonov. Desjardins might be nearly there too.

Certain guys get passes with Q based on past performance - Shaw definitely is one, Rosy and Kruger too. (There is absolutely no understandable explanation at all for Mashinter).

I just put it down to a multi Cup winning coach having the stroke to do whatever he feels is the answer with a player. Mike Babcock has the same authority and operates the same way - tough love when required or completely writing off players once he has decided he can't improve them or trust them. The 'faint hope' or 'you got lots of time' clause doesn't exist with these type of coaches.

29 up as soon as Tik tok clears waivers
- mrpaulish

Yep, the simple answer is usually the right answer. It's as simple as that, Tikhonov gives them the cap space to bring up Bickell. But I'm betting someone claims Tikhonov off waivers. Another Bickell casualty.

Q has the core players secured...They love him and what he does with a 21 yr old Dano or a pro AHL player like Mashinter has zero effect on the locker room or how the most important players view him. That's the way it is here with a 1st ballot HOF coach behind the bench who has little if anything to fear.
- Al

At Hawk games I talk to a guy who plays Donkey Kong, some kind of video game, with "Kaner". I know it's true cuz he shows me lots of pics partying with Kaner and his buds in Buffalo and here too.

Few years ago he mentioned to me that a lot of the guys were pissed at the way Q treated Pirri after he was sent down one time, think Seabrook especially. ...... No, Q could not possibly care less.

Yep Q is a HOF coach and people do things his way. My hope is he gives a player, especially young ones, a role, coaches him to that role, explains expectations and then explains why he's sitting them/taking away minutes if they fail to execute the role they were coached to.

Strange with Dano. Kid was hells bells v Ottawa and he gets 8 minutes. Kid is moved up and down the lineup, in and out of the press box, yo yoed from right to left side, is 20 yrs old, on a new team and has a game like he did in Ottawa and gets 8 minutes when he was one of the most effective players on a line that was a good as any that night with Mash on it..

As I mentioned you just don't know what goes on in practice or the locker room in reference to how Daley minutes are distributed. Same goes with Dano, or anyone else, but since his call up I have no idea how Q is using (developing?) the kid.

Trade #50? that's a hard argument to make with any of the players that have won 2 or more cups. Darling is exactly what we think he is, a steady #2 that can win a game or 2 off the bench. I doubt he could win 30 games with the current Hawk team in front of him. trading Teuvo with Bicks to open up the cap is foolish.
Teuvo is young and still building muscle. nobody knows how good he's going to be. it's the best of times and the worst of times for him, as he's getting the opportunity to play in the NHL only because Rockford won't get him to progress. Ditto for Dano. although I like the upside for Teuvo over Dano. Dannault getting hurt really hampered the Hawks as he's an ideal 3rd line center. The Hawks are missing a top 3 left wing (sharpe) and a 3rd line center(frolik). neither areas have been addressed but the tryout will continue. I wouldn't be too surprised if Bowman does little to juggle this roster til the off season. Nobody is going to help the Hawks, ever.

At Hawk games I talk to a guy who plays Donkey Kong, some kind of video game, with "Kaner". I know it's true cuz he shows me lots of pics partying with Kaner and his buds in Buffalo and here too.

Few years ago he mentioned to me that a lot of the guys were pissed at the way Q treated Pirri after he was sent down one time, think Seabrook especially. ...... No, Q could not possibly care less.

Yep Q is a HOF coach and people do things his way. My hope is he gives a player, especially young ones, a role, coaches him to that role, explains expectations and then explains why he's sitting them/taking away minutes if they fail to execute the role they were coached to.

Strange with Dano. Kid was hells bells v Ottawa and he gets 8 minutes. Kid is moved up and down the lineup, in and out of the press box, yo yoed from right to left side, is 20 yrs old, on a new team and has a game like he did in Ottawa and gets 8 minutes when he was one of the most effective players on a line that was a good as any that night with Mash on it..

As I mentioned you just don't know what goes on in practice or the locker room in reference to how Daley minutes are distributed. Same goes with Dano, or anyone else, but since his call up I have no idea how Q is using (developing?) the kid.
- Mr Ricochet

My info is the players, team leadership, have Q's back on most, if not all, issues. There may be isolated cases where one or more disagree.

I SUSPECT how he handles certain younger guys has to do with attitude.

Rick, as I am sure you are aware of, there are different ways to handle players, personally as a private coach I have always believed in honesty and fairness...a tough, consistent fairness.
- MexicoHawk

No different than a child or subordinate, each is different. One needs a kick in the rear another a pat on the back to motivate/coach them. ......What the common denominator is is consistency in any and all cases no matter the tactics.

What we don't know is how much coaching is going on inside the room and whether Q and staff feel Dano, TT and Daley just aren't catching on fast enough for what they are being taught and is expected of them.

This much is obvious - Q has clearly given up on Rundblad like he did with Morin, Hayes, Erixon and now probably Tikhonov. Desjardins might be nearly there too.

Certain guys get passes with Q based on past performance - Shaw definitely is one, Rosy and Kruger too. (There is absolutely no understandable explanation at all for Mashinter).

I just put it down to a multi Cup winning coach having the stroke to do whatever he feels is the answer with a player. Mike Babcock has the same authority and operates the same way - tough love when required or completely writing off players once he has decided he can't improve them or trust them. The 'faint hope' or 'you got lots of time' clause doesn't exist with these type of coaches.
- RickJ

Yep on all of this. And I agree that if Q gives a guy a role, coaches him to it and the player doesn't execute he sits or gets minutes taken away. If this continues he's no longer a Hawk.

Yep on all of this. And I agree that if Q gives a guy a role, coaches him to it and the player doesn't execute he sits or gets minutes taken away. If this continues he's no longer a Hawk.
- Mr Ricochet

And there is also Warden Q's solitary confinement block where David Rundblad is the only inmate.

Yep on all of this. And I agree that if Q gives a guy a role, coaches him to it and the player doesn't execute he sits or gets minutes taken away. If this continues he's no longer a Hawk.
- Mr Ricochet

Maybe Q is giving Dano some tough love bc he sees the high upside potential in his game with the hands and frame he possesses...

My info is the players, team leadership, have Q's back on most, if not all, issues. There may be isolated cases where one or more disagree.

I SUSPECT how he handles certain younger guys has to do with attitude.
- John Jaeckel

No doubt the vet/core players put up a united front and parrot Q's message/philosophy throughout the locker room, as it should be. Now what they talk about amongst themselves I'd imagine can differ.

I believe this guy. He's a complete "Kaner" sycophant and I've argued with him for quite a few years about Kaner's effort and lack of a complete game, of course Kaner's game has since changed, and he gets pissed. He has no man love for Pirri.

We started arguing/discussing going back to Lalime getting minutes late in a lost season over rookie Crawford.

Again, and not knowing how Dano is being coached, I have zero idea how the kid is being used and or developed.

Maybe Q is giving Dano some tough love bc he sees the high upside potential in his game with the hands and frame he possesses...
- EnzoD

Enzo I've stopped questioning Q's line juggling and roster decisions after the first cup. Simply said I just defer and try to see his reasoning as they collect cups along the way.

I will say what just made my skin crawl as far as Q goes was how much time he gave Rundblad. Not so much cuz the kid stunk out loud from the first minute of the first shift he ever wore the sweater but the minutes wasted and not given to Clendening or Dahlbeck types.

Hartnell shouldn't cost much and he would be a NICE addition IMO. He has always possessed hands to go with all of his grit. As I mentioned on either Thursday or Friday, I was told that the Hawks have witnessed increased speed from Bickell and as such were going to bring him back up. However, trying to run a lineup with both Bickell and Mashinter in it would be a major mistake IMO. The Hawks are literally running out of "experimental games" where they are risking POINTS by trying to develop young players that either don't belong, or are out of position.
- MexicoHawk

I just hope he can actually handle a pass to him, really really struggled with that before he was sent down